One Moment in Time
By
BafflingBeerMan,
Posted on: 2010-08-23 07:27 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Good point. Messiah Complex would have been simply impossible five years ago.
Peter David is a good one too, though he tries to stay out of the way of the X-events.
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
I think Quesada definitely lucked out with the crop of former unknown or little known writers that have come into their own lately, between Daniel Way on Deadpool or Dan Slott coming from Marvel's licensed comics (Ren & Stimpy) to writing Spiderman.
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I wish to introduce a new scale for measuring the stupidity factor of an issue, arc, overall comic, or character...
The JoeQ scale. Measured in Liefelds... Yes that should work...
Alright, what all exactly does this thread encompass?
I was under the impression that O.M.I.T. was a one-shot, but now i see that it is a four issue arc. Is the arc completed now?
Anyway, I just read the first issue. I'll offer brief comments on that, because I'm sure some of them have already been stated (again, I didn't want to read the entire thread until I read the story for myself).
I hate, hate the premise for this story.
But judging just from this first issue, I kind of like what Quesada is building. At least, what I think he's building. Here, let me break it down.
He's building something about how Peter has doubts because of Gwen Stacy. If he calls it off because of his dead girlfriend, then eff Joey Q.
However, it also looks like he is building a story regarding a police officer's private life being put in danger because of what he does for a living. I can appreciate that thread a little more.
I don't know which way it's going to go, but right now I don't hate the story. I hate the premise - This should be an unnecesary story, but I don't hate what looks to be their approach for calling off the wedding.
But it they go through with that, it's a dangerous precedent. The writers could then use that reason to develop why Peter doesn't have any private life associations whatsoever, cutting himself from all ties. He couldn't work, because that puts the Bugle staff into danger. He couldn't see his Aunt, because hey, maybe someone figured out his I.D. and is tailing him without his knowledge (disregarding a possible Spidey Sense twinge).
Anyway, I'll comment more as I go along.
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
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And spoilers; he's still being a total ***hat in Academy. Only about three issues in and he's already emo-cutting himself with his old Penance helmet. If comic's had sound I'd expect there'd be Linkin Park playing in his room.
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Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
The second: Speedball being a character. We got Penace for a while, or Emoball. Now he's back to being Speedball. Quesada ruined the Robbie Baldwin character and it's going to take quite a few years of Avengers Academy and other Avengers books to fix it.
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And that, as much as it would irritate me, I could deal with.|
Originally Posted by LunarKnight
Well, in all fairness, at least when they reset that one, they reset the whole darn universe along with it.
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Oh, they did it with the Ultimate Universe to attract the young reader.
Is that even doing very well? Out of curiostity, not a bash.
I haven't enjoyed the Ultimate Universe since the reboot, but I'm still reading it.
Millar's Ultimates are more "xtreme," Spider-Man has a more kid-friendly tone and Ultimate X is just... shudder...
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
Really enjoying Millar's Ultimates, I cannot complain on that.
Although Jeph Loeb's Ultimates is another story, I have not been a fan of that, and waiting for it to finish off, so I can be rid of it.
I've hated everything "Ultimate' with Loeb's name on it.
Scrath that. I've hated ever non-Batman, non-"Color" (Hulk: Grey, Spider-Man: Blue), non-Tim Sale collaboration that Loeb has done.
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
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And this is something that I've said in the past as something that Marvel should consider. |
Originally Posted by LunarKnight
Well, in all fairness, at least when they reset that one, they reset the whole darn universe along with it.
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Have a plan for the reset of the ENTIRE MU, have a plan for the characters post reset, set certain ground rules about the characters and their lives like marriage and children and then move ahead. Not this "it's magic we don't need to explain it" junk. Joe Q even wanted to use BND to restore Gwen Stacy but legend has it that the writers of Marvel all piled into his office to convince him that would be a bad idea.
The non-Mutant books got a reboot/relaunch with that Heroes Reborn/Return junk thanks to the X-men Onslaught, but the mutant titles don't get it.
Then eventually things get so hosed again that another character needs a private relaunch that will not effect the rest of the MU books: case in point: Spider-Man. Norman Osborn is brought back from the dead to end the Clone Saga and straighten that mess out. Ironically the two downfalls of the Clone Saga were: OVER EXTENSION, and stating that Peter was the clone. All they had to do was say that Ben was the clone and Peter the original and Peter goes off to retire and be a daddy knowing that there is another Peter running around as Spider-Man. Then years later comes the Unmasking and to fix that, Peter an MJ strike a deal with THE DEVIL! (Mephisto was considered as a fix for the Clone Saga but rejected. Go fig.)
And you know what would be a simple way to undo the Unmasking? Mephisto does his little time warp things that we are seeing in OMIT to end the marriage, but Mephisto also plants a simple idea into Peter's head: before the Unmasking he dies his hair blonde (or even red), puts on colored contacts to make his eyes appar to be blue, and even uses some makeup to put a small fake scar on one side of his face. He unmasks and says "hi, my name is Ben Reilly and I've been Spiderman all these years!" Later he tells Tony Stark that the public gets what they want and just in case the registration act collapses, Peter's ID is still safe and so is his family. REAL SIMPLE.
Another character that has recently been trashed so badly that I think his current series will be ending and he'll get a Shadowland mini where is he back to normal: Frank Castle; the Punisher. For those that don't know what I refer to about him being so screwed up beyond recovery; do a Google search with the word: FRANKENCASTLE. Trust me, it ain't pretty.
Marvel could really use a universal reboot that affects all books not just one or two.
Yeah, Frankencastle sounded like someone made a lame pun in front of Joey Q and he said "Run with it!"
Did they not learn anything from Punisher: Angel of Death?
"Ben is short for Frank."
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The Angel of Death thing was such a cheap attempt at creating a Marvel version of Spawn that I call that story the Spawnisher. |
Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
Yeah, Frankencastle sounded like someone made a lame pun in front of Joey Q and he said "Run with it!"
Did they not learn anything from Punisher: Angel of Death? |
Now if Frank were to become a vampire.....nah.
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Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
The first: Mary Jane and Parker being married. He has screwed the pooch on this one and it continues to get worse. Most likely, the second he steps down, whoever takes over will have them get "re-married" or retcon this all away.
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How it should be retconned
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it was doing well up until they had did horribad crossover Ultimatum. That was just a bloody mess so bad the creators originally involved with the Ultimate universe came back and took up the reins again. That being said, im digging the Ultimate Spidey stuff, but i dropped Ultimates like a bad habit after 2 issues. i dont even want to look at ultimate x or the other ultimate avengers title.
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Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
And that, as much as it would irritate me, I could deal with.
Oh, they did it with the Ultimate Universe to attract the young reader. Is that even doing very well? Out of curiostity, not a bash. |
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How do you mess up angry ex-military guy that shoots people...
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Originally Posted by Nericus
The Angel of Death thing was such a cheap attempt at creating a Marvel version of Spawn that I call that story the Spawnisher.
Now if Frank were to become a vampire.....nah. |
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By making him a supernatural force with a wild tattoo on his head.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
How do you mess up angry ex-military guy that shoots people...
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By making him a collection of stitched together parts that hunts monsters.
Either way, we lose....
Regarding OMIT, I still can not believe that a story this bad on a character this major is seeing print.
Go Team Venture!
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I was really enjoying the 616 Punisher for the first time in forever with Fraction writing it. Then he left and I hung on for a bit... But then the Punisher became Frankenstein and I was out.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
Yeah, Frankencastle sounded like someone made a lame pun in front of Joey Q and he said "Run with it!"
Did they not learn anything from Punisher: Angel of Death? |
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
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Honestly, while I don't LIKE Frankencastle, the story itself doesn't bother me. It's clearly not intended to be a permanent change; just something goofy and different to do with the character for a while. Part of the Punisher's problem is that he's such a one note character you can only do so much with him. Giving him the random bizarre detour ever now and then isn't so bad. Punisher remains fine as long as you don't try to screw with what makes him interesting in the first place. Like don't send him back in time and accidentally be the one that killed his family. That's the kind of stuff that JMS does that causes so much trouble.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
How do you mess up angry ex-military guy that shoots people...
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To be honest I think the main thing about the Punisher is that he IS a regular guy with utterly no super powers, but is a tactical genius and war veteran. (Captain America has the Super Soldier Serum and his shield as well as being among the world's best unarmed combatants and being a tactical genius.) However by all rights, in the real world such a person would have died from "lead poisoning" from being shot up as much as Frank has been in the comics. Or he'd be permanently crippled from all the broken bones and spinal trauma that Frank has endured. |
Originally Posted by Durakken
How do you mess up angry ex-military guy that shoots people...
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Plus in the Punisher MAX series, that series does NOT have the sliding timeline and has stated that Frank has been blowing away criminals for the past 30 years, and the MAX series does not have Frank dying and coming back as the Spawnisher or Frankencastle. He is just a normal guy with a lot of guns that just won't stop.
However this brings up the point that since Frank is originally a Vietnam vet (before any possible retcons have been done or the Tom Jane Punisher movie stating he was a Gulf War vet), that Frank in both the mainstream MU and in Max should be in his mid 50's if not 60 years old...........
So, since the MAX series maintains a sense of realism about Frank and his age, that leaves the mainstream Punisher books to work with Marvel's sliding timeline to keep Frank young or do to things to OVERCOMPENSATE for the fact that by all rights Frank should either be too old to keep up his war, or that Frank should be all rights be DEAD a thousand times over.
The things that Marvel could do for Frank in the mainstream books that might work better then Spawnisher or Frankencastle would be:
1. Frank gets his hands on Nick Fury's Infinity Formula that slows down Fury's aging and keeps him in his physical prime.
2. Frank somehow gets a dose of the Super Soldier Serum or something similar and becomes enhanced similarly to Captain America
3. Frank on occasion (but not often) wears a suit of armor possibly based on stolen Stark tech, or at least armors his chest and head with it. Thus he could be like Boba Fett, a walking armored arsenal. Just no rocket pack please, we don't need that to be used against Frank
JoeQ scale of stupidity
OMiT = 10 Liefelds
Pockets are cool = 1 Liefeld
DAMMIT.
So, I'm just now getting around to reading the second issue of OMIT...
So, that's how Joey Q. validates his ridiculousness? By retroactively making MJ a huge *****? He's the one writing this **** - MJ would have never suddenly decided "Oh, nm, I don't want to be Spider-Man's wife. lol"
****** is trying to validate his own viewpoint.
... I didn't finish reading... I saw that and had to nerdrage. It may be a while before I can bring myself to finish it.
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
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When you realize someone's just handed you a **** sandwich, you don't save it and say you'll come back to finish it later.
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Originally Posted by ChrisMoses
It may be a while before I can bring myself to finish it.
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The review for "Shark Sandwich" was merely a two word review which simply read "**** Sandwich".
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Originally Posted by Rabid_Metroid
When you realize someone's just handed you a **** sandwich, you don't save it and say you'll come back to finish it later.
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"Ben is short for Frank."
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it's actually quite impressive to see a Shark jump itself.
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Originally Posted by ChrisMoses
DAMMIT.
So, I'm just now getting around to reading the second issue of OMIT... So, that's how Joey Q. validates his ridiculousness? By retroactively making MJ a huge *****? He's the one writing this **** - MJ would have never suddenly decided "Oh, nm, I don't want to be Spider-Man's wife. lol" ****** is trying to validate his own viewpoint. ... I didn't finish reading... I saw that and had to nerdrage. It may be a while before I can bring myself to finish it. |
I think he's done a really smart job of surrounding himself and Marvel Studios with top notch creators after years of fine tuning.
It took us years of crap Chuck Austen X-Men stories featuring Nightcrawler popes and every woman being loose to get to Carey and Fraction actually unifying things enough to tell a good story.
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