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I agree and think this is a great idea. PvP definitely needs more Warshades; I need more PvPIO drops.
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Originally Posted by PC_guy
ya know what, don't roll a stalk, roll a WS
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"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
I'm just dropping by to say that Fire-Minded has got to be one of the best (worst?) forum trolls/griefers I have seen in years.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
I'm just dropping by to say that Fire-Minded has got to be one of the best (worst?) forum trolls/griefers I have seen in years.
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Originally Posted by PC_guy
so.....you don't need elude because heroes will hit through it anyway...so your normal defenses (which are obviously much lower without retsu/eldue) are fine? is that why nin is your #1 choice? a nin out of hide should be living in retsu since the only thing that will be able to hit it(atleast hard enough to take it down before it gets away to rehide) will be aim + BU.
as of right now, its not like villz need +percep since the hero stealth cap is so low. double stacked mez prot doesn't do anything (thanks i13) and your normal defenses alone will not save you from 2+ heroes. can nin be good? sure there are some very good nin stalks but for the most part retsu is a big part of them and it would cost easily double the inf it would take to make a decent nin as it would a regen or WP for the same level of survivability. WP is first because it has the heal as well as decent resistances and +percep. regens heal's + mog is more useful than nin's defenses. |
You sir obviously don't know what you're talking about. So you're point along with your posts are simply disregarded.
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k. ad hominem doesn't disprove my point though.|
Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
You sir obviously don't know what you're talking about. So you're point along with your posts are simply disregarded.
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Since I obviously don't know what i'm talking about, help me out then. You've already said that since they'll hit through retsu/elude anyway they're pointless. which by this logic any defense is pointless (this of course isn't true but by your logic, it is). so if im playing a defense based AT that is in fact going to get hit, even for the small period of time when im running away trying to rehide, why would i play the defense based toon that is going to get hit(or, hell, even has a high chance to get hit, exluding t9s) when all it offers is a good self heal when i can play a set like WP that offers a similar self heal, psi res along with good res to everything else, a contant HP buff, i.e. more thing that would help me if im "going to get hit anyway". the same goes for regen with its 2 heals, instant healing, and super diet phase in mog.
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hmmm. How much does DDR play in PvP???
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Originally Posted by macskull
1. Ninjitsu has +perception as well.
2. Travel suppression affects any movement speed, including IOs, Quickness, Swift, Retsu, Elude, whatever. Here's what you're getting with SR and Ninjitsu: SR: More defense debuff resistance, 20% recharge buff, in-set knockback protection, scaling resists (largely worthless on a low-HP character in PvP). Nin: Stackable psi resistance from Kuji-in Rin, fear resistance, good self-heal, cone confuse/sleep/-percep/-tohit power. The only reason to go with SR over Nin is if you're a cheap ******* and don't want to buy -KB IOs. |
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Well, let me let you in on something about why I just did such a thing.
The more someone tells me to not do this and go a totally conformed direction I get Irritated, and make the opposite choice just in spite. I wont make many builds simply because of many peoples snarky "Its this or nothing!" Attitudes. Im going to make a uneducated guess and say that its probably true that 90%+ of PvP Stalkers Players are Regen, Willpower, or Ninjitsu.The more people try to cram whats the best down my throat, the less I listen. There is no "Best" in this game.Everything has a Edge if you use it correctly. I will happly take SR because it irritates alot of people so much that id take it in the first place.It will work well enough. "Best" is a percetion of what a person, or a group of people belive to be true.So there for is a Opinion. Not everyone has to have the best to take down NPCs or other Players.They just have to know how to use what they got, and accept the limitations of there creation.Which most do not do.Thats why way too many people do Forum PvP and Worship Mids and IO only builds.Such as PC and other half witts who probably have absolutly no life other then to crunch numbers and harrass other people on the forums. And you guys call me the freakin Troll?I dont think so.Im outty....my girl friends comming over.Enjoy your number crunching. |
The way I see it is that you can technically take any archetype and any powerset, and make it a pvp build. Of course it's not going to be as effective as the "best", (that's why people deem them the best, because they preform the most efficiently), but like you said "It will work well enough". You just need to develop your playstyle around your weaknesses and know HOW to actually pvp with what you're playing.
I also get a little annoyed that a majority of the community goes with what is the best, but I see no reason why they shouldn't. I personally like to play builds that are effective, but not the absolute "best" because you do get a little sense of uniqueness and satisfaction when you can perform as efficiently. I love whipping out my Stone Melee/Elec brute every now and again, and doing well with him even though he doesn't have as efficient of a damage output as say, super strength. That's fine. Same deal with my Dual Pistols corrupter.
I think the more appropriate question was "Who can help me with a mids build for Soandso/Super Reflexes stalker?" That's why we have mids and "crunch numbers" (we don't - the program does that for us), because it's the best way to represent to someone what you have in mind.
You basically took an extremely bitter approach to what I see as just playing what you want. You *want* to play Super Reflexes or Ninja Reflexes, and just because people disagree and tell you why they under-preform, you change that into "I'm doing it because you say not to." That's silly and it doesn't make you a troll, it just makes "u mad."
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Your the first person to make sense on this Thread.Thank you for that.|
Originally Posted by TwigDeath
The way I see it is that you can technically take any archetype and any powerset, and make it a pvp build. Of course it's not going to be as effective as the "best", (that's why people deem them the best, because they preform the most efficiently), but like you said "It will work well enough". You just need to develop your playstyle around your weaknesses and know HOW to actually pvp with what you're playing.
I also get a little annoyed that a majority of the community goes with what is the best, but I see no reason why they shouldn't. I personally like to play builds that are effective, but not the absolute "best" because you do get a little sense of uniqueness and satisfaction when you can perform as efficiently. I love whipping out my Stone Melee/Elec brute every now and again, and doing well with him even though he doesn't have as efficient of a damage output as say, super strength. That's fine. Same deal with my Dual Pistols corrupter. I think the more appropriate question was "Who can help me with a mids build for Soandso/Super Reflexes stalker?" That's why we have mids and "crunch numbers" (we don't - the program does that for us), because it's the best way to represent to someone what you have in mind. You basically took an extremely bitter approach to what I see as just playing what you want. You *want* to play Super Reflexes or Ninja Reflexes, and just because people disagree and tell you why they under-preform, you change that into "I'm doing it because you say not to." That's silly and it doesn't make you a troll, it just makes "u mad." |
Your right by the way, I could have presented it in a better manner and not shown my emotional biast towards being told its the best or nothing.
I still plan on going ahead with the SR Stalker build, but im a bit torn on which melee I want to take.Its leaning towards MA though.Mainly because I want to aviod another Spines PvP Repeat that I see so much in PvP these days.
Biast
You sure that is the word you were looking for?
To people who do the direct opposite of what most other people are doing simply for the fact that they want to be different here are some things you can do:
Drive 30 miles over the speed limit, and complain to the officer that you just want to be different.
Jump off a bridge because more people than not don't do that.
Become a Kleptomaniac because most people think it is a disorder and you want to prove them wrong.
DON'T twist open your Oreo and lick out the frosting first, because you want to prove it tastes better as a single cookie and not two.
Give them a try, see how it goes.
Many times standards appear because it is logical, fun, or for the sake of others. Don't hate others when they point out the standards.
I have many toon's that are not fotm or the 'best' at such and such. However, I also know not to bring my DA tank, which I love to death and will tank just about anything else with, to an STF and expect it to tank Lord Recluse. It is just not built for it. Same situation with my Emp/Dark defender. I don't take him to PvP because he would just be there to get farmed.
Fire Minded:
PvP is not something that every power set and every build can excel in. You might win a couple fights with a substandard build, but you will lose many more with it as well.
I refer to your post to the scrapper forums about wanting some one to build you a PvP claws/invuln. The invulnerability set is not designed to be favored in PvP. It might do OK in PvP because of the restances. But as soon as some one would debuff that said resistance (and on a scrapper, its fairly low) you are screwed. Also, DR would effect your resistances which would make them even lower.
Get what I'm saying?
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
Why do you ask questions you seem to already know the answer to? You asked which you should play and people told you which one from a performance standpoint is better, it's not our fault you didn't like the answer. And we're the one's not making sense?
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don't feed the tool
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I really don't think the forums are for you.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
The more someone tells me to not do this and go a totally conformed direction I get Irritated, and make the opposite choice just in spite.
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Bad troll = troll.
<:[ shark goes nom nom nom ]:>
[QUOTE=theOcho;3409811]As to the REAL reason I'll be leaving, I'm afraid it is indeed because Tamaki Revolution dc'd on me during a RSF.[/QUOTE]
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You sir sound like fire_minded's 2nd account.
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Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
You sir obviously don't know what you're talking about. So you're point along with your posts are simply disregarded.
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<:[ shark goes nom nom nom ]:>
[QUOTE=theOcho;3409811]As to the REAL reason I'll be leaving, I'm afraid it is indeed because Tamaki Revolution dc'd on me during a RSF.[/QUOTE]
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I actually don't see many Spines these days, as much as Broadsword and Katana's and Elecs. That's why I like hopping on mine. Also because he's my main.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Your the first person to make sense on this Thread.Thank you for that.
Your right by the way, I could have presented it in a better manner and not shown my emotional biast towards being told its the best or nothing. I still plan on going ahead with the SR Stalker build, but im a bit torn on which melee I want to take.Its leaning towards MA though.Mainly because I want to aviod another Spines PvP Repeat that I see so much in PvP these days. |
Also martial arts is a great choice, mixes well thematically too. MA preformance has increased drastically, though not among the most popular. I've always wanted to make one myself.
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I do get what your saying, however theres always going to be a Ying to someones Yang.|
Originally Posted by _Pine_
Biast
You sure that is the word you were looking for? To people who do the direct opposite of what most other people are doing simply for the fact that they want to be different here are some things you can do: Drive 30 miles over the speed limit, and complain to the officer that you just want to be different. Jump off a bridge because more people than not don't do that. Become a Kleptomaniac because most people think it is a disorder and you want to prove them wrong. DON'T twist open your Oreo and lick out the frosting first, because you want to prove it tastes better as a single cookie and not two. Give them a try, see how it goes. Many times standards appear because it is logical, fun, or for the sake of others. Don't hate others when they point out the standards. I have many toon's that are not fotm or the 'best' at such and such. However, I also know not to bring my DA tank, which I love to death and will tank just about anything else with, to an STF and expect it to tank Lord Recluse. It is just not built for it. Same situation with my Emp/Dark defender. I don't take him to PvP because he would just be there to get farmed. Fire Minded: PvP is not something that every power set and every build can excel in. You might win a couple fights with a substandard build, but you will lose many more with it as well. I refer to your post to the scrapper forums about wanting some one to build you a PvP claws/invuln. The invulnerability set is not designed to be favored in PvP. It might do OK in PvP because of the restances. But as soon as some one would debuff that said resistance (and on a scrapper, its fairly low) you are screwed. Also, DR would effect your resistances which would make them even lower. Get what I'm saying? |
Also, I do like eating a Oreo Cookie Whole.Such a waste to eat the frosting first nad have 2 pieces of a dry cookie left.
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Its funny that you call me a Tool, because in real life, I am in fact a Tooler....LOL!Your insults need work there PC.|
Originally Posted by PC_guy
don't feed the tool
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Or atleast understand calling me a "Tool" isnt really a insult.
If you where someone I could figure that wouldnt Harrass me on Facebook, id give you the Addy to show you the kind of tooling work I do.
But since you seem like you where raised on a farm, and are retarded, I wont.
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No doubt. You are most definitely a tool-er.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Its funny that you call me a Tool, because in real life, I am in fact a Tooler....LOL!Your insults need work there PC.
Or atleast understand calling me a "Tool" isnt really a insult. If you where someone I could figure that wouldnt Harrass me on Facebook, id give you the Addy to show you the kind of tooling work I do. But since you seem like you where raised on a farm, and are retarded, I wont. |
<:[ shark goes nom nom nom ]:>
[QUOTE=theOcho;3409811]As to the REAL reason I'll be leaving, I'm afraid it is indeed because Tamaki Revolution dc'd on me during a RSF.[/QUOTE]
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Ok, I just have to say it man...your yellow boy in the shark suit is just to cute to have anyone get angry at you.LOL!|
Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
No doubt. You are most definitely a tool-er.
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Anyhow, yes, a Tool-er.
I Tool Leather with leather crafting tools.
I can draw a design, then carve it onto leather then "Tool" it out.I can make anything from wallets, belts, gun belts, holsters, ect.
Its acctually a interesting trade im getting into.
Funny, I always heard it called a Leather Craftsman.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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it wasn't so much an insult as much stating a fact. (i can't insult since everytime i do, mod12 is all over that ****)|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Its funny that you call me a Tool, because in real life, I am in fact a Tooler....LOL!Your insults need work there PC.
Or atleast understand calling me a "Tool" isnt really a insult. If you where someone I could figure that wouldnt Harrass me on Facebook, id give you the Addy to show you the kind of tooling work I do. But since you seem like you where raised on a farm, and are retarded, I wont. |
you created a thread asking for advice on a stalker. listened to everyone's advice, from people who know wtf they're talking about. decided to do the exact opposite of the advice given just to be different (which doesn't work in pvp by the way, i liked the analogy someone used in another thread, slax i think, that its like bringing a moped to the indy 500) and then denounced us by calling us number crunchers, which didn't even happen in this thread, and bringing up your girlfriend. short of tap out shirt and a flat bill hat with the sticker still on it, thats about a 9.0 on the tool-o-meter. You're being called a troll because this is at least your 6th time to do the exact same thing that you've done in this thread.
but to be back on topic, make your stalker (or as i recommended WS if you really just wanna do **** to be different) hit up freedumb RV or test ladder and enjoy being gimp.
glhf
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Your not far off.|
Originally Posted by _Pine_
Funny, I always heard it called a Leather Craftsman.
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However a Leather Craftsman is someone who assembles a Saddle, gun belt, holster, binocular cases, ect.
A "Tooler" is someone who uses a hammer and many diffrent type of Stamping or Carving tools to make a design on things the Crafter makes.
I am both, though I dont make saddles, and dont plan to.
Hmmm, is there a way to pull a picturew or 2 off my facebook to show what i mean?
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Open up a free photobucket account and you can direct link pictures from there. And then not give away your facebook ID/Info.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Your not far off.
However a Leather Craftsman is someone who assembles a Saddle, gun belt, holster, binocular cases, ect. A "Tooler" is someone who uses a hammer and many diffrent type of Stamping or Carving tools to make a design on things the Crafter makes. I am both, though I dont make saddles, and dont plan to. Hmmm, is there a way to pull a picturew or 2 off my facebook to show what i mean? |
"Life is what happens when you are making other plans"
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Cool, thank you very much for the tip.
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Originally Posted by Fomsie
Open up a free photobucket account and you can direct link pictures from there. And then not give away your facebook ID/Info.
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ymmv
Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.