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Ninjitsu for sure if that's the only choice I have other than SR :]
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I figure ill be making a Stalker for PvP, simply because of Going Rogue comming up, id like to Rid any Zone im in of persky Doms.
Iv already figured out my Primary Melee, but im torn between Ninjitsu or Super Reflexes for my Defense. Any advice? |
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I can agree with that, it does have alot of Utility and a Heal vs SR, but im in it to attack quick and retreat after doing so.I figured Quickness and more Def % would help me do that.|
Originally Posted by SPiNE
Ninjitsu for sure if that's the only choice I have other than SR :]
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Not to mention i wanna aviod being hit while i try to clobber someone on my opening attack run.
What is your Primary?
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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niether? regen or WP|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I figure ill be making a Stalker for PvP, simply because of Going Rogue comming up, id like to Rid any Zone im in of persky Doms.
Iv already figured out my Primary Melee, but im torn between Ninjitsu or Super Reflexes for my Defense. Any advice? |
DR will hit both nin and SR and you'll end up living in elude/retsu
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Given the choice between Nin and SR I'd go with Nin, but PC_guy is right: you'll want Regen or WP.
EDIT: Also wtf are you thinking that you'll be doing much ASing at all once GR comes out? VEATs are going to be having a field day dropping Stalkers out of hide.
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I'm kinda partial towards /nin myself, but certainly, /WP has a lot to
recommend it as well.
I don't have any personal experience with /regen (I went Spines/WP instead),
so I don't have an opinion on that secondary.
I doubt that you'd have significant issues with any of those choices though.
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Originally Posted by macskull
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EDIT: Also wtf are you thinking that you'll be doing much ASing at all once GR comes out? VEATs are going to be having a field day dropping Stalkers out of hide. |
look at his past posts.
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I've seen them, I'm still lol'ing
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chain induction doing 1000 damage is nothing to lol at.
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Originally Posted by macskull
I've seen them, I'm still lol'ing
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Originally Posted by PC_guy
niether? regen or WP
DR will hit both nin and SR and you'll end up living in elude/retsu |
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Originally Posted by macskull
Given the choice between Nin and SR I'd go with Nin, but PC_guy is right: you'll want Regen or WP.
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I disagree with both of you. Regen would be my last choice between the three. I'd go /nin, /wp, and then regen.
/Nin offers decent defense and properly IO'd out you'll have pretty damn good defense to ranged/melee attacks. (Most people in RV use more ranged than melee anyways). You can also double or triple stack your mez protection with grants psi resistance. Yes it's DR'd but it's still better than no psi resistance.
/WP has the bugged heal that doesn't get TS'ed. It's also got +perception (as does /nin). Decent resis to S/L along with a T9 that'll keep you from getting mezzed longer.
/Regen has got the 2 heals + MoG. However no +perception and since you don't have any defense or resistance you're going to run through HP rather quickly. The HP cap on Stalkers limit how much they benefit from Dull Pain. Scrappers obviously have a much higher HP cap so they can get upwards of 2000 HP. Stalkers are stuck with 1606.
TL;DL - 1st Choice - /nin. 2nd Choice - /WP. 3rd Choice - /WP
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so.....you don't need elude because heroes will hit through it anyway...so your normal defenses (which are obviously much lower without retsu/eldue) are fine? is that why nin is your #1 choice? a nin out of hide should be living in retsu since the only thing that will be able to hit it(atleast hard enough to take it down before it gets away to rehide) will be aim + BU. |
Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
You're not a scrapper so you're not "living" in elude. You can actually make a viable build *without* Elude or Retsu. Considering how much +To Hit heroes have, Elude/Retsu is pretty useless anyways cause they'll hit right through the defense.
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as of right now, its not like villz need +percep since the hero stealth cap is so low. double stacked mez prot doesn't do anything (thanks i13) and your normal defenses alone will not save you from 2+ heroes.
can nin be good? sure there are some very good nin stalks but for the most part retsu is a big part of them and it would cost easily double the inf it would take to make a decent nin as it would a regen or WP for the same level of survivability.
WP is first because it has the heal as well as decent resistances and +percep. regens heal's + mog is more useful than nin's defenses.
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Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
I'd go with /nin, slot for ranged defense, kb protection, and cap your HP.
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I only use Retsu as an emergency power, and I can tell you I'm pretty survivable without it. Using it when you're always out of Hide is a bad idea, I try to avoid using it because I don't want to deal with the endurance crash. Besides, as a Stalker, you shouldn't be out of Hide for too long. If you start getting attacked by more than one enemy, you should retreat and try to rehide. That's where the ranged defense comes in and with Invisibility, escaping is even easier.
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Originally Posted by PC_guy
so.....you don't need elude because heroes will hit through it anyway...so your normal defenses (which are obviously much lower without retsu/eldue) are fine? is that why nin is your #1 choice? a nin out of hide should be living in retsu since the only thing that will be able to hit it(atleast hard enough to take it down before it gets away to rehide) will be aim + BU.
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Well if thats the case, then I may still be leaning more Towards SR.Because Ranged can be a issue im sure.Not to mention SR has Hightened Senses for + Perception.
Im also thinking that if the TS is taken into account, and "IF".....this is a big if..the Travel Suppression doesnt effect the following ill definatly go with SR over the rest.
+Running Speed IOs
Quickness
Swift
If anyone has any information about these 2 and how they are affected, if at all by TS.Please let me know.
Even after everyone telling you to go with Nin instead of SR? I think you'll be disappointed if you're just relying on defense to stay alive, but hey it's up to you. I'm not sure how TS effects those powers, but I would pick Nin over SR for the self heal itself. Ninjitsu has perception built into Danger Sense too btw.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Well if thats the case, then I may still be leaning more Towards SR.Because Ranged can be a issue im sure.Not to mention SR has Hightened Senses for + Perception.
Im also thinking that if the TS is taken into account, and "IF".....this is a big if..the Travel Suppression doesnt effect the following ill definatly go with SR over the rest. +Running Speed IOs Quickness Swift If anyone has any information about these 2 and how they are affected, if at all by TS.Please let me know. |
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1. Ninjitsu has +perception as well.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Well if thats the case, then I may still be leaning more Towards SR.Because Ranged can be a issue im sure.Not to mention SR has Hightened Senses for + Perception.
Im also thinking that if the TS is taken into account, and "IF".....this is a big if..the Travel Suppression doesnt effect the following ill definatly go with SR over the rest. +Running Speed IOs Quickness Swift If anyone has any information about these 2 and how they are affected, if at all by TS.Please let me know. |
2. Travel suppression affects any movement speed, including IOs, Quickness, Swift, Retsu, Elude, whatever.
Here's what you're getting with SR and Ninjitsu:
SR: More defense debuff resistance, 20% recharge buff, in-set knockback protection, scaling resists (largely worthless on a low-HP character in PvP).
Nin: Stackable psi resistance from Kuji-in Rin, fear resistance, good self-heal, cone confuse/sleep/-percep/-tohit power.
The only reason to go with SR over Nin is if you're a cheap ******* and don't want to buy -KB IOs.
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Im aware of the Diffrences, but I primarly wanted to take up SR because its not commonly taken by very many people at all.|
Originally Posted by macskull
1. Ninjitsu has +perception as well.
2. Travel suppression affects any movement speed, including IOs, Quickness, Swift, Retsu, Elude, whatever. Here's what you're getting with SR and Ninjitsu: SR: More defense debuff resistance, 20% recharge buff, in-set knockback protection, scaling resists (largely worthless on a low-HP character in PvP). Nin: Stackable psi resistance from Kuji-in Rin, fear resistance, good self-heal, cone confuse/sleep/-percep/-tohit power. The only reason to go with SR over Nin is if you're a cheap ******* and don't want to buy -KB IOs. |
I like lesser used powers.Its a weakness.
Fire Minded.
WHY DO YOU KEEP ASKING FOR HELP AND THEN IGNORE ALL HELP GIVEN.
Just shut up and roll what you want and don't bother the forum people about you feelings.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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Originally Posted by _Pine_
Fire Minded.
WHY DO YOU KEEP ASKING FOR HELP AND THEN IGNORE ALL HELP GIVEN. Just shut up and roll what you want and don't bother the forum people about you feelings. |
The more someone tells me to not do this and go a totally conformed direction I get Irritated, and make the opposite choice just in spite.
I wont make many builds simply because of many peoples snarky "Its this or nothing!" Attitudes.
Im going to make a uneducated guess and say that its probably true that 90%+ of PvP Stalkers Players are Regen, Willpower, or Ninjitsu.The more people try to cram whats the best down my throat, the less I listen.
There is no "Best" in this game.Everything has a Edge if you use it correctly.
I will happly take SR because it irritates alot of people so much that id take it in the first place.It will work well enough.
"Best" is a percetion of what a person, or a group of people belive to be true.So there for is a Opinion.
Not everyone has to have the best to take down NPCs or other Players.They just have to know how to use what they got, and accept the limitations of there creation.Which most do not do.Thats why way too many people do Forum PvP and Worship Mids and IO only builds.Such as PC and other half witts who probably have absolutly no life other then to crunch numbers and harrass other people on the forums.
And you guys call me the freakin Troll?I dont think so.Im outty....my girl friends comming over.Enjoy your number crunching.
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That's great, but no one really cares what you make. It's just a bit silly to waste the resources to ask for help if you're not going to listen anyways.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Well, let me let you in on something about why I just did such a thing.
The more someone tells me to not do this and go a totally conformed direction I get Irritated, and make the opposite choice just in spite. |
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I wont make many builds simply because of many peoples snarky "Its this or nothing!" Attitudes. Im going to make a uneducated guess and say that its probably true that 90%+ of PvP Stalkers Players are Regen, Willpower, or Ninjitsu.The more people try to cram whats the best down my throat, the less I listen. There is no "Best" in this game.Everything has a Edge if you use it correctly. |
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| I will happly take SR because it irritates alot of people so much that id take it in the first place.It will work well enough. |
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| "Best" is a percetion of what a person, or a group of people belive to be true.So there for is a Opinion. |
But hey, it's your $15 a month. Just don't come back to the forums whining about how you die a lot because you didn't listen to people who actually knew what they were talking about.
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You'll find this is a running theme for him: First he'll ask for advice on a specific archetype, often giving a few choices on what he's thinking about picking. People will, for some reason, continue to give him advice about said archetypes or powers - Then he'll pick the opposite of what everyone says.|
Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Even after everyone telling you to go with Nin instead of SR? I think you'll be disappointed if you're just relying on defense to stay alive, but hey it's up to you. I'm not sure how TS effects those powers, but I would pick Nin over SR for the self heal itself. Ninjitsu has perception built into Danger Sense too btw.
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He could just save everyone a lot of time by making a 'what is the least played ____ for _____' thread, but alas. My advice is to just make a drinking bingo card based on his responses and have a blast.
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I run a /nin and hardly ever use retsu, & do fine. Using it twice in one night is a busy night for that power for me. Just sayin'.|
Originally Posted by PC_guy
niether? regen or WP
DR will hit both nin and SR and you'll end up living in elude/retsu |
ymmv
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pvp isn't like pve|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Im aware of the Diffrences, but I primarly wanted to take up SR because its not commonly taken by very many people at all.
I like lesser used powers.Its a weakness. |
they're lesser used for a reason.
I honestly don't know why i keep giving advice on this **** if your entire motive is to know what the people who know what the hell they're talking about would do so you can do the entirely opposite.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
And you guys call me the freakin Troll?I dont think so.Im outty....my girl friends comming over.Enjoy your number crunching.
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ya know what, don't roll a stalk, roll a WS
glhf
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I figure ill be making a Stalker for PvP, simply because of Going Rogue comming up, id like to Rid any Zone im in of persky Doms.
Iv already figured out my Primary Melee, but im torn between Ninjitsu or Super Reflexes for my Defense.
Any advice?