Change the icons of Dual and Single Origin Enhancements

So you really expect people to memorize all 26 enhancement types in alphabetical order, and count through them to figure out where the one they're looking for is?

Listen...I agree that once you get used to the system, it can be worked through. What's being asked for is something to make getting used to the system a little bit less of a hurdle. Color isn't an option, due to possible color-blindness. Names aren't an option due to ambiguous names. And until they fix the tooltips, right-clicking is clunky and time-consuming. Now, whether this would be an easy fix or not obviously isn't known...but it at least merits consideration, in my opinion.

yes, yes. heaven forbid someone actually read something to understand it rather then just look at it.

and if you would have read one more reply further you would have seen that i added to bills post to insure there was no confussion.

Same order, from level 1 to level 50. Repetition is a wonderous thing.
You have *got* to be kidding. Or exceptionally *lazy.* Right click once if you're not sure. Write it down if your memory is so bad. Never have to do it again.

If THAT is too much hassle, I suggest paying someone else to play the game for you.

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Read what...the name? Since tooltips are busted, and right-clicking, as has already been said, can be clunky and time-consuming...that must be what you mean.

So tell me...what does Military Insight enhance? How about Dragon Flurry?

That's not a tooltip.

If I had to do that with every enhancement in the store to find it, it would take me ten minutes to pick a single one. The only reason the store is bearable at all is that I noticed the things are in the same order no matter the origin, so I can use bisection to find the right place. Still a lot more trouble than it needs to be though.

To get level 25 SOs, I spent nearly 1M. I got lucky, something I picked up was worth 2 million inf at Wentworth's. In order to get level 25 IOs for enhancements I want -- which, by the way, are still somewhat less powerful than SOs at this point, 33.3 to 38.3, I need to either use Wentworth's and pay the ridiculously inflated prices there (never mind that I would be buying out Wentworth's entire stock in level 25 io damage and still not manage to get even half as many damage enhancements as I need), or find lots of very specific kinds of invention salvage and still pay the crafting prices, which are higher than the SO store prices: 33000 to craft a 25 damage IO, never mind the price of the recipe itself, vs 30000 to pick up a 25 damage SO from the store. ANd there aren't any level 25 tech damage SOs at all for sale at wentworth's.

For every enhancement type you need? For every single toon you have? For all the different origins you cover?

So you want someone to have a chart sitting on their desk telling what every single DO and SO name translates into?

You'd think someone could come up with an easier solution...

That's nice. Doesn't change the fact that not everyone will bother with IOs, nor should they need to.

Because the mouse-over text is terribly convenient, a convenience a lot of people unfortunately miss because there's a bug going around. If the mouse-over text actually worked for everyone, I doubt I would have even made this thread.

If people positively liked timesinks, you wouldn't hear people complain about unnecessary zoning (or reversely be amazed by how the clone mission in Faultline ends next to your contact in Talos Island), and people wouldn't be using Ouroboros, Base Teleporters, Mission Teleporters, etc, or even boykott them.

But people love these conveniences. I just fail to see why making enhancements mor convenient is a bad thing.

And no, just reading the info isn't bad at all if the mouse-over worked as intended. Constantly right-clicking-select-info does get the slightest bit tedious, though.

Hypothetical scenario: Imagine instead of this thread, I made a thread asking the devs to fix the mouse-over bug, you know, put back in a feature that made SOs a lot more convenient to use, would you still say it's a bad idea?

look, it's not my fault you are lazy. or probably half the people in the game along with yourself.

military insight is taunt and dragon flurry is confuse duration. (thanks bill. i forgot that one cause i don't use it all that often.)

All are natural. Natural starts with Miltary, Dragon, or Back Alley.

Military Insight is a taunt enhancement.

Dragon Flurry is confusion duration.

Of course, I *have* been playing this game over five years now. I haven't had to right click in a while. I did, years ago. Seems like a few seconds paid off rather well.

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Five years ago we didn't have the mouse-over bug. I find it hard to trust you on this.

if you are paying ridiculous prices you are using WW/BM wrong. it is not a store. it is an auction house. put up a reasonable bid on what you want and wait a couple mins or hrs. then you won't spend as much. and you do know that you don't have to change io's because they don't expire, right?

Here, genius, let me make it easy for you.

For five plus years, I've been buying enhancements and using dropped enhancements. Think maybe, just MAYBE, I might remember them as I see them/hear them? Or that, maybe, just maybe, you could still *right click* and find out? Amazing, I know. Oh, there's also the small fact - if you haven't noticed - that as you click and start to drag a dropped enhancement from the tray, the appropriate powers *light up.*

I'm not after your "trust." You don't like it, too damn bad.

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This isn't really about you, you know. It's about me, and people like me. I've been playing for a month. The only reason I use stores at all is because it's too painful not to - and even then, it took several weeks to stop looking into specialist stores and going "screw this, this is more trouble than it's actually worth". I still need tools - a spreadsheet with enhancement names, and their locations in the list - to get through a single enhancement shopping trip in less than ten minutes. It's unreasonably difficult, especially for new players that haven't memorized the 286 non-io enhancement names.

no one is asking you to remember the names. they all are listed in the same way no matter what origin you have. and again, you can right click on them and select info if the tool tip isn't working correctly. thats the joy of reading things. it teaches you what things are so you can learn them and remember them.

And I started out in the same place you did. I did not just step into COH and say "Oh, Dragon Scales, Illumination Grenade, of course!"

The tools are in game *now* to let you pick up what they are. Will you get to where it's almost automatic overnight? Of course not. But it's just *not as difficult* as some want to paint it.

Tools:
Color coding. I'll give on the color blind bit, yes, I can see that being difficult. It will deprive you of a tool. How they can change this without disrupting *everyone* in the game, though...

Order. From training origins on, they're always the same order - no matter the fancy naming. You'll always find an enhancement that affects, say, Intangibility (yeah, I know, nobody uses this) between Immobilizes and Interrupts. In fact, quick check of the wiki - just use this sheet until you're used to them. So it's probably easier for you than when I started! (Not to mention having the stores marked on the maps, and the Endurance Modification enhancement, for one, instead of Endurance Drain and Recovery - Recovery being why EndMod is where it is, in the R's.)

Right-click. Mouseover working or not, the right click will always tell you what it enhances.

Power highlighting. More useful with drops, but still - if you get a drop and say "Can I use this?" the powers it can be used in will always highlight. So if you think you have (say) a Defense SO and it's Confuse, you'll see you can't use it in your Defense powers.


You don't *need* to remember that Horror of Hermes and Benedict Tech Facial Reconstruction both enhance Fear powers. Just that you'll find it between the light blue (noticably light) Endurance Reduction and the Fly enhancements. Don't make it more complicated for yourself than it actually is. Just remember what order they're in - use that "cheat sheet" link and toss the rest.

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For all your spouting this, Quint; It doesn't work.

I don't know the last time the 'Hover Over' feature worked. But it hasn't in a long time. Not for me, anyway, and not for the OP. Maybe it's Eu specific, who knows? *shrug* But it be broke.

Personally? I /Sign the OP's suggestion. I don't see any harm in doing so, and the change has the chance of helping at least some people. Win/win I say

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

So, this is basically "Screw making things easier and more straightforward, I did it the hard way and so can you!"

Yes, the system can be gotten used to. I did, you did, and most of the other people in this thread did. But why not make it easier to do so?

How is "They're always in the same order" hard? Especially when you see Trainings for so long that tell you what they are before getting into the RP names or whatever you want to call them?

I might not be able to rattle them off the top of my head, but if I'm at the store, yeah, I can zip right to what I need.

no. and please don't put words in my mouth. there is no problem with what we have now. it is not so far fetched to actually have to read about something to learn it. and the so's have different pics to make them specific to each origin. so yeah, lets standardize everything in the game so people can just get their hands held and lead through the game instead of having to figure things out for themselves.

yes it does actually, but there are some times where you will need to right click. and i still have yet to say that there was anything wrong with the suggestion which there is if you read my post right above this one. just a simple, fix the mouseover bug would have sufficed, but a couple people wanted to scream bloody murder so they could continue being lazy.

Really? Even with my first toon, I never bought TOs from the vendor...and even if I did, I wasn't in level range for them for *that* long. Especially today, getting to level 12 is a breeze, and a great deal of people, even new people, just ignore TOs altogether.

Besides which...where in the game does it *tell* you that the order is always the same? Where does it even hint at that? It's a huge list, and if you didn't know that beforehand, it's not immediately obvious. The names and icons are all changed, it's not that big of a stretch to think the order may have as well. I know it was quite a while before I realized the order was the same.

Standardizing everything so the game tells you all the info you need to know, instead of having to figure it out for yourself. Sounds like good game design to me.

Nice job with the hyperbole there. Seems more like you're the one flying off the handle, though.

And yes, fixing the mouseover bug would suffice...but presumably they've been working on that, and for whatever reason haven't been able to fix it. So this is an alternate suggestion that would also serve to facilitate telling the difference between DOs and SOs.