It would also help those who wan to buy and resell to vendors.
But this is not the suggestions forum.
Once upon a time I wanted this but experience has taught me what is vendor trash and what isn't. Recipes increase in price by level by set amounts, there's a chart buried deep deep in the Marketing section that shows what recipe is worth how much at the vendor. It's pretty straight forward and I reckon hundreds of people have memorized the price of a level 35 immobilization recipe subconsciously and don't even realize it.
I wish there was something at the vendor that will tell me what a dumb smuck I am for selling Pounding Slugfests to the vendor all this time. The Biotech employee let me know the recipe I just sold him for 1200 is worth 100.000 at the market.
I've always been for this. It makes sense to list it as a basic convenience.
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I'd like to see it, if only to cut down on the folks who sell generic IO recipes for higher than the crafting tables sell them for...
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This would be nice, especially for, say, level 28 set IOs that sit forlornly unbought in my Wentworth's list for a month. If it won't sell at 500 influence, I'd like to know I can get 2800 or something for it at a vendor.
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Nope, I'm not ready to submit it to the Suggestions forum until I get a sense of whether or not I'm alone in feeling that it would be useful. Although, I can see where you're coming from: a thread started there would likey have served the same purpose. I'll ask a dev to move this to the Suggestions forum.|
Originally Posted by LISAR
It would also help those who wan to buy and resell to vendors.
But this is not the suggestions forum. |
Edit: A request to move the thread has been submitted to Mod8.
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There are a lot of items that I know I won't be able to sell on the market for more than a vendor will buy them for, however there are also many many more where I have no clue. Further, new players (and we soon hope to have many of them) don't have the benefit of years of experience.|
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Once upon a time I wanted this but experience has taught me what is vendor trash and what isn't. Recipes increase in price by level by set amounts, there's a chart buried deep deep in the Marketing section that shows what recipe is worth how much at the vendor. It's pretty straight forward and I reckon hundreds of people have memorized the price of a level 35 immobilization recipe subconsciously and don't even realize it.
I wish there was something at the vendor that will tell me what a dumb smuck I am for selling Pounding Slugfests to the vendor all this time. The Biotech employee let me know the recipe I just sold him for 1200 is worth 100.000 at the market. |
It would seem to me that adding this information would vastly simplify decision making when at the auction house, both for new players and experienced players alike.
Well, for the most part, the vendor prices are simple.
1> You can't sell the crafted enhancement at all...
2a> Common Salvage (white) sells for: 250
2b> Uncommon Salvage (yellow) goes: 1000
2c> Rare Salvage (orange) vendors for: 5000
3> Common Recipes vendor according to a simple math formula based
on the level of the recipe and its crafting costs (shown when you mouseover it)
3a> Level 10 - 25 ... Sells for Crafting Price / 8
3b> Level 30 - 40 ... Sells for Crafting Price / 5.333
3c> Level 45 - 50 ... Sells for Crafting Price / 4
4> Set Recipes prices are based on their level and rarity
4a> Uncommon (yellow) sell for 100 X recipe level
4b> Rare Recipes (orange) sell for 200 X recipe level.
5> Costume pieces typically vendor for a flat 100
I don't recall what it is for temporary powers, but you won't get rich
vendoring them...
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Even so, why should we have to do math in our heads when the game knows these numbers and could simply display them with the item?
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Well, for the most part, the vendor prices are simple.
1> You can't sell the crafted enhancement at all... 2a> Common Salvage (white) sells for: 250 2b> Uncommon Salvage (yellow) goes: 1000 2c> Rare Salvage (orange) vendors for: 5000 3> Common Recipes vendor according to a simple math formula based on the level of the recipe and its crafting costs (shown when you mouseover it) 3a> Level 10 - 25 ... Sells for Crafting Price / 8 3b> Level 30 - 40 ... Sells for Crafting Price / 5.333 3c> Level 45 - 50 ... Sells for Crafting Price / 4 4> Set Recipes prices are based on their level and rarity 4a> Uncommon (yellow) sell for 100 X recipe level 4b> Rare Recipes (orange) sell for 200 X recipe level. 5> Costume pieces typically vendor for a flat 100 I don't recall what it is for temporary powers, but you won't get rich vendoring them... Regards, 4 |
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
I'd like to see it, if only to cut down on the folks who sell generic IO recipes for higher than the crafting tables sell them for...
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Even so, why should we have to do math in our heads when the game knows these numbers and could simply display them with the item?
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I don't have a problem with this idea.
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Originally Posted by TyrantMikey
Even so, why should we have to do math in our heads when the game knows these numbers and could simply display them with the item?
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Maybe you'd prefer to not have a crappy AHUI further cluttered with
information that is very easy to determine already?
My thought is if you'd like them to add a *useful* idea, why not have
an actual vendor at each WW or BM?
"That Guy Who Knows Something" could be a vendor, and his schtick
could be "Hey, you can buy/sell items with me, or you could check out
those shady characters by that truck over there"...
Heck, it's already true with many Merit Vendors near the markets.
In any case, what I've listed are the vendor prices....
If you'd just prefer to complain (since it's posted here, rather than in the Suggestion Forum) -
my appologies for attempting to provide helpful information.... I'll move along now...
Carry On.
Regards,
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This is a bit of a stretch. It presumes that you know the values for the formula for recipe prices. It also presumes that you know that the formula exists.|
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Maybe you'd prefer to not have a crappy AHUI further cluttered with
information that is very easy to determine already? |
The vendor price of an item would be one additional datum in the rollover information. I wouldn't call that excessively cluttered, and it wouldn't even necessarily be part of the AHUI.
What I would like to see added to the AHUI is, in addition to the last 5 prices for an item and their dates, the lowest price that an item has been traded for in the last five minutes, hour, day, week, and month. If the "impatience tax" were made more public, perhaps there would be less outcry over AH prices based on seeing only momentary price spikes and not long-term trends.
Anyway, if wishes were fishes...
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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
This is a bit of a stretch. It presumes that you know the values for the formula for recipe prices. It also presumes that you know that the formula exists.
The vendor price of an item would be one additional datum in the rollover information. I wouldn't call that excessively cluttered, and it wouldn't even necessarily be part of the AHUI. What I would like to see added to the AHUI is, in addition to the last 5 prices for an item and their dates, the lowest price that an item has been traded for in the last five minutes, hour, day, week, and month. If the "impatience tax" were made more public, perhaps there would be less outcry over AH prices based on seeing only momentary price spikes and not long-term trends. Anyway, if wishes were fishes... |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Well, it's honestly no more of a stretch than knowing there are formulas for |
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
This is a bit of a stretch. It presumes that you know the values for the formula for recipe prices. It also presumes that you know that the formula exists.
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everything else in the game like: Def, Acc/ToHit, XP, leveling etc.
I don't expect to see those displayed prominently either, but I assure you
that folks who find the results of those formulas important have a pretty
good idea on where to find them and how to use them...
I don't see the market any differently, especially when all of the market
numbers are a flat price or one simple division or multiplication (orders of
magnitude simpler than the other formulas I alluded to).
I'll give a mulligan to anyone who hasn't passed Grade 3 or 4 math yet,
but for the rest, well, I can think of dozens of things I'd rather see the
devs put quality time towards than this...
So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Regards,
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I don't have any objection to this (especially if it's added to the tooltip for all items in inventory as well). I don't think its particuarly essential since the only items with wierd prices are common IO recipes and SOs but I can see it being occasionally useful. At the same time it's not the sort of change I want urgently.
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This assumes that all of us want to be bothered with formulae. What's true for some of us isn't true for all of us. In my case (since I can't speak for everyone), it's a pointless time sink to have to run to a vendor to determine the price of a recipe just to determine whether or not I will make a profit on an item in the market, and then run back to him after checking market prices to learn that a recipe is, essentially, vendor trash.|
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Maybe because you'd like to be knowledgeable about this game?
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And I stand by my opinion that the game should, whenever possible, display the numbers. The developers have already adopted this philosophy, in that the Combat Attributes window shows us the numbers. I don't see how this would be any different.
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Maybe you'd prefer to not have a crappy AHUI further cluttered with
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My thought is if you'd like them to add a *useful* idea, why not have
an actual vendor at each WW or BM? "That Guy Who Knows Something" could be a vendor, and his schtick could be "Hey, you can buy/sell items with me, or you could check out those shady characters by that truck over there"... Heck, it's already true with many Merit Vendors near the markets. |
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In any case, what I've listed are the vendor prices....
If you'd just prefer to complain (since it's posted here, rather than in the Suggestion Forum) - my appologies for attempting to provide helpful information.... I'll move along now... Carry On. Regards, 4 |
The whole point of the redesign of the AHUI was to make it easier and faster to work with the market. As I see it, this meager addition (which is not necessarily simple to implement, mind you) would be consistent with that goal.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
What do you mean by this?
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Here is Exhibit A, a crafting table showing how much one can expect to pay for a level 45 Endurance Modification recipe:
And now, class, we make a little field trip to Wentworth's for Exhibit B...
In this test, I brought up the same recipe and placed a bid at the price I would otherwise be able to purchase said recipe at an invention table.
Now, take note of what happened. Of the 131 that were up for sale, I successfully purchased none of them at the crafting table price. And though I am unwilling to spend my hard earned inf to prove my theory, it is a good bet that if one were to then do the bid creep, one would probably still fail to purchase many of those until the bid got up near what the highest of the last five show, and possibly even higher. Some may slip through at around the 200K point, but it is highly likely that the majority are listed at 300K or more.
Face it, going any amount higher than the table price is foolish. Claiming convenience is incorrect even. After all, to then craft the recipe into an enhancement, you should still need to get to an invention table. And at that point, you may as well wait and just purchase directly for the table price.
Thank you for your time. There will be a pop quiz on this after the break.
I'd be for it.
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I would be all for this. I get tired of running to the store to check the price on an item to see if it's worth selling on the market.
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Also, I would be for this addition to the UI, for the record. But generally, if I see the recipe in question is selling in at least the 5 digit range, then it is most likely worth listing. And even moreso, it is worth checking to see if the crafted enhancer is worth putting up (provided it doesn't require an overpriced piece of salvage that would otherwise cause you to take a loss.)
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I would be all for this. I get tired of running to the store to check the price on an item to see if it's worth selling on the market.
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Originally Posted by Willowpaw
Thank you for your time. There will be a pop quiz on this after the break.
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Teasing aside, EndMod recipes have been the one common IO recipe that fairly
consistently sells on market for higher than crafting table price for certain levels.
None of the others do that (consistently), but I had a toon that sold them
on the market from the crafting table for ~35-65% profits -- for months (in I-11).
I scratched my head that it ever worked back then, and it tickles me that
it still (evidently) works today...
It certainly defies logical explanation, and has done so for years...
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For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
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Generic EndMod recipes have been strangely expensive on the Market for a long time, and I don't really know why. Other recipes might or might not share the same oddity, but EndMods are consistently so.
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Here is Exhibit A, a crafting table showing how much one can expect to pay for a level 45 Endurance Modification recipe:
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I've noticed that the new Auction House UI (and even the old one) never tell you what a vendor will buy an item for. This seems like a glaring omission to me.
As a rule, I tend not to sell something on the market if it looks like I can get more for it at the vendor. (Vendor badges aren't that big a deal to me.)
Would anyone else find this a useful QOL addition?