damage badges, need revamp?

these badges need a revamp because in this new day and age, its only made them even harder to get

since HP bonuses actually hurt you on progress for this badge, and with the introduction of IO set bonuses with adding hp, these badges need to be adjusted

willpower and shield also have powers which give you hp bonuses

why were dmg badges ever made so that in order to get credit for the badges you have to go below base hp for your AT?

is there some technical limitation as to why it was designed that way? can it be changed?

if it can be changed i propose one of 2 things need to be done:

1. lower badge requirements for the 5th, 6th, and 7th badges (25 mil, 50 mil, 100 mil respectively), the first 4 are fairly easy to attain, but these are beyond annoying to get (the 25 mil isnt as bad as the 50 to 100 mil, but they are still SLOW if you have hp bonuses)
2. change the way the badges are coded so they actually give credit when you take ANY dmg regardless if its above your base hp

The HP bonus issue has been around for a long time and the badges were all recently lowered as part of the "Great Badge Change" a couple of issues back.

I'd rather see the extra HP issue resolved then another badge adjustment.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

I've seen people keep the secondary build as unslotted and switch to that build for damage farming so that there are no HP bonuses from the IO sets. That could atleast help things along a little more.

You can still get the damage badges in the space of one or two nights if you know what you're doing. I don't see why this is a big deal, especially since the requirement for Born in Battle was lowered in I16.

The last 3 badges are harder to get for a reason. Quit complaining about it. The devs aren't going to change a badge where you just sit in a lava pool or the like because you don't wanna work harder or smarter.

Good luck on your badging

Got all of them both on my Controller and my Corruptor by resting in front of a Red conning CoT Guide. Went from under 10M damage sustained (Controller has been played for 5 years, Corruptor since CoV came out) to 100M in 21 days.

Was sustaining 332K of damage per hour. It all depends on how you decide to achieve them. And since the requirements have been lowered these are easier to get. If the requirements were still the same, I wouldn't have dreamed of getting them.

What I have issues with is the Inf one: only Inf you actually win through missions counts. And the last Healing one is being a pain, as I don't PvP and can't set up a heal farm...

In the past...

These badges were a lot harder to get because the requirements were much higher. http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Immortal_Badge [Edited]. If the page was updated by the time you read this, to even get Immortal, you needed 1 billion points damage taken, not 100 million as it is now. Your request for another revamp may be possible, but I highly doubt it. I remember they revamped the empath badge twice, but 100 mill damage points seems reasonable to me.

If you had two accounts or had access to a range targetted healer, people used to farm Rikti Chief Soldiers. You were able to take in more damage than your actual Health Points because NPCs had to follow the "1-shot; no kill" rule. While on rest, the soldier would take 8-10 seconds to attack 1 melee blow (forgot the actual time, since it was long ago). Before he inflicted the next blow, the healer, already AFK spamming heals, would take your health back up to 100% before the next blow and you would never die. People got over 1 mill damage per hour.

The way I did it, since you couldn't change the level of those Rikti bosses, I actually farmed in the northern zone of Rikti Warzone. I knew that these NPCs had to follow the "1-shot; no kill" rule. So, I tried another method to take out the need for a third party healer. I went to Ouroboros and exemplared/malefactored to level 39 from level 50. This is not because 35 was the cut off point, back then, to enter RWZ. I did few experiments and, with the help of someone else to isolate 1 rikti soldier in Northern RWZ, I was able to damage farm solo. Because I was on TF/SF mode from Ouroboros, the game couldn't boot me because of my AFK status in open zone. Even with 1-slotted Health and Rest with a level 50 Healing IO, I experimented with my stalker, thermal corruptor, fire aura brute with their self heals off, the Rikti Chief Soldier just couldn't kill me. The % value u got from the level 50 Healing IOs on both powers was enough for the current HP you had (even with the other 3 accolades) to regenerate back to full health in time for each interval blows. The biggest kicker was that I was taking in about 9-10 mill damage per hour. I remember this specifically because it only took me an hour to get the 4th damage badge (10 million points back then) required for one of the villain accolades. It was also easier on my computer since I only had 1 computer at the time and me needing a healer on spam would just destroy its resources by dual boxing.


Now...

As some of the players mentioned, for a villain, the damage badge required for Born in Battle accolade has been reduced from the 4th to the 3rd damage badge. Even though these values never changed, the requirement of 1 million damage points as opposed to 10 million damage points is rather significant. But this is not what you were asking for...

As some players mentioned, people use the lava or a CoT guide to farm damage because it simply works. The CoT guide inflicts 1 melee attack for every 10 seconds. Within that time, you have to find a way with your toon to regenerate back up to 100% HP before the next blow or you'll die.

Depending on your ArcheType, you can push the values of a CoT guide damage by raising the level of difficulty and have a level 54 beat on your repeatedly inside a mission. I know my latest mastermind was not able to handle the damage, because I'm thinking of its low base HP. At 50, it has a base HP of only 803. With the 1-slotting I do to Health and Rest on that toon, I couldn't even take on a +0 level CoT Guide and had to have a -1 Guide beat on me.

Now, after explaining the level 54 Rikti Chief Soldier I used to farm - I wrote that in past tense because the developers added an extra ranged attack making it impossible for us to use them for damage farming now. There is a way you could still use the Ouroboros method to farm plenty of damage. This is specific to certain ArcheTypes only and is very dependent on zone-rules (as in Rikti invasion, Zombie invasion, and zone players ganking NPCs without knowing your intent). I've only worked this out on City of Heroes and not on City of Villains, but if you exemplar to level 34 and go to a level 50 CoT guide by Portal Corps., you can use that CoT guide for damage farming. I know someone mentioned they effectively farmed them taking in 332K damage per hour, but my value (assuming he does not miss) is 810K damage per hour. The level 50 Guide (specifically 50 because 49s deal less damage) inflicted 2250 HP on my scrapper (again, this is AT specific so I can not guarantee this would work with the intended AT you're intending to farm with) per blow. My scrapper, even with all the + HP accolades and the +HP set bonuses, was taking in the full amount of damage because, at that level, the Guide is actually inflicting more damage than my Exemplared HP. On City of Villains, I know there are CoT guides on the beaches of Grandville, but they are level 42-44. Again, isolating one guide will need someone to help you do that. I haven't tested specific malefactored levels to maximize the damage points taken on that faction. I have tried level 14, 19, 24, 29, 39, and 44 on that level 50 CoT Guide in Peregrine Island and 34 seems to be the best for my scrapper. At those other levels, I just was not getting the same nor higher amount of damage that I woudl get at level 34.

As far as the Rikti Chief Soldier farm is concerned, not all is lost. You will need a third party healer for this. I can not go further on this because I don't want to share.


I apologize for writing so much...

im not complaining they are hard to get as in like master of badges which actually take skill, but because they cheat you out of so many points on the later badges

i know inf doesnt count for everything (like market and such), but thats understandable, i understand why falling dmg should not count, but if you being legitimately attacked or dmg'd by an enemy (ie the afk dmg farming), you should get credit for ALL the dmg that you take from an enemy attack

i also agree with Snow Globe for the fact that the last few badges are nigh impossible to get without afk farming (the other ones, like inf are fairly easy to get after a long time of playing), healing badges are also in this category since only toons with heal focused sets will get these badges without any real time input

i do like earning badges, but i like to actually participate in the earning for them, i honestly HATE the afk farming, but if i just waited to get them, it would prolly take me 20 years (if the game was still around) to even get all 7 dmg badges through normal play (if i played the toon 100% of the time when i was logged on)

the mez badges, inf badges, sk badges (which are almost pointless now) are very easy to get through normal gameplay and thats how it should be (i usually get around 3-4 of each on the journey to 50)

i also think the original requirements were way too high (hence i never bothered working on them until now, i just got the 10 mil one for born in battle when it was needed for that, then just stopped worrying about it), now that they are somewhat more reasonable, i have started working on them again (that and they are the only badges i can get aside from MoLGTF), and like Snow Globe i will refuse to do these badges again since they take way too long to get

i am still not sure if there is some technically limitation as to why it doesnt go by your max hp instead of your toons base hp, it would seem easier to just check the max hp since it is listed in the combat attributes and your ID card, and if it changed to check the max hp it would make it more attainable during a normal course of gameplay

my point is that the dmg badges are still harder (harder as in taking longer to get) than the other series of badges for basic stuff in the game (like inf, mezes, heals, ect)

"These badges were a lot harder to get because the requirements were much higher. http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Immortal_Badge [Edited]. If the page was updated by the time you read this, to even get Immortal, you needed 1 billion points damage taken, not 100 million as it is now."

Before you call me out on using an incorrect website, read further along, please. My intent with the link was to show the old requirements of the damage badges before its current status.

As said.. do not refer to that wikia page please it is only run by gold sellers now. Use the Cohtitan one instead

I'm in agreement. I left the game for awhile, and came back. There's a lot of things the devs have done very well, and with regards to badges, there's some things that are just plain silly.

As a returning player, I see a progress bar for a badge, I'll see what's needed to fill the bar, and try and get the badge. But, I really don't think that's what I'm paying my money for. I'm paying to see the effects of a kheldian nova blast. To hear the bitter freeze ray of my blaster. All these things go together with many others to make up the game.

I think, if we find ourselves logging on, just to leave the keyboard so we can get a badge, then we're being a bit silly, aren't we?
I have to admit, I've done all these things - rest in front of a level 52 natterling, or a level 52 carnie or CoT, just to get all that damage. Ridiculous really. In fact, I was under the impression that a damage taken badge was a badge to disdain. It was, before badges got really popular, a badge that said, "Look at me, I am so bad at this game, I get beaten up alot!"

So, my character has logged in on patrol over 3800 hours now, and that's with about 3 1/2 years off.
For me, I'm going to just let the badges stand there and do nothing. I'm going to play the game for the fun of it.

If the quest for badges frustrates someone - they should stop worrying about them. There are so many badges now, that you pretty much need to have about 600 for any hard core badger to take you seriously. Might as well just roll a defender, and enjoy the game for the fun of the bad guy's dialogue, the mood music as you travel from zone to zone.

Have a nice day.