On our run previous to the badging run pictured from last night, we hit a wall with our controllers. We had 1 tank, 1 brute, 1 fort, and 5 controllers. However, one of them was an Illusion that didn't take Blind or Flash. So, in essence we had 4 controllers and a Fort. When one of the controllers died, we were unable to hold the greens (we'd already lost the Master attempt, so we were trying new tactics). Only when all 4 holding controllers and the Fort were alive and holding were we able to shut down the mito, and even then it was 20-30 seconds before we established containment.
James, my best guess on your roadblocked run was probably critical containment. While my Fort and my Fire/Kin have similar recharges on their holds and similar slotting (for damage and not hold duration), the difference is the random critical hold that the controller gets. That allows me to pump out an extra mag or 2 of hold on average. Our run last night swapping controllers for dominators showed that the hold bonus from Domination really helped. The greens dropped in about 15-20 seconds. If you were wanting to do a "bare-bones" support run right now, I'd say you'd probably be able to get it done with 2 Doms and maybe a Fort for backup.
Another thought for those wanting to go for Hard Mode, look at other ATs with hold options. Especially multiple ranged holds. For instance, a Cold/Ice defender with the Psi APP has access to 3 ranged ST holds. Dark Defenders with Psi APP have two. Gravity and maybe Plant have access to a targeted AoE hold that doesn't require you to be in PBAoE range of the mito (I'd love to see if Volcanic Gasses worked with the greens, but the chance of the hold patch aggroing Hami would probably give my teammates heart failure).
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Agreed. One of our Freedom teams was 3 Controllers, 2 Scrappers, 2 Blasters, and a Tank. It was barely enough, but it did work. Then again, at least one of them was Gravity with the Singularity pet, so maybe the pet counts as a 4th? lol
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Originally Posted by James_Donner
You can probably do it with as few as 3 controllers or dominator's if they have good recharge. I know we got roadblocked by the greens the next night running 3 forts and an a controller, even though the math said we should have been able to hold them.
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Did this last night with a team of 7 (originally 8 but one of the controllers dropped and missed that whole mission). We had 2 trollers and a dom. I had Singularity but was forbidden to use it lest it aggro the nucleus. Nevertheless, we got the green mitos held very quickly and easily. The dom was a Mind permadom and both the trollers were kins (fire/kin and grav/kin). So we had a lot of holds and quite a bit of recharge. Also I was cycling Power Boost and the Vanguard Medal. Oh, and I think one of the blasters had a hold as well.|
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
Agreed. One of our Freedom teams was 3 Controllers, 2 Scrappers, 2 Blasters, and a Tank. It was barely enough, but it did work. Then again, at least one of them was Gravity with the Singularity pet, so maybe the pet counts as a 4th? lol
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Really the whole encounter went off without a hitch. Well, at one point the tank tabbed to Hamidon while we were targeting through her and we all had to run like hell. But other than THAT, it went off without a hitch.
I agree that it is the critical holds that makes the difference. Its what we figured it was after the second run because our troller was also our emp and didn't get in enough holds. I think Chaos and his team prove that it doesn't take a custom built team to complete the greens, just a balanced one and the balance for this tf is now a two troller or two dom with a 3rd single target hold from somewhere. I don't think thats to much to expect or put together for a Master level run. It just shows competency and planning are required element and that brute forcing it won't aways work.
Its a shame to because this is one of the few real challenges in the game right now and we are loosing it so people can feel warm and fuzzy.
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From what I've read, have everyone try to have 2-3 EoEs and bring 2-4 mezzers?
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We did not use EoE's at all. One tank lured the rikti into hami, and when the yellow was attacked by the rikti and damaged, the other tank hit it until it was killed. continue until all where killed. Then we took the pylons, then one tank taunted a blue, while we ranged killed it. Rince and repeat.
But.. everytime a mito is killed, all run and regroup somewhere else. (You do not want the debuffs etc)
The greens, have the trollers/doms chain hold one. I stood outside the blue field (blaster) and sniped at the target when it was being damaged by the holds.
Hami itself. One tank tanks, if getting damaged its out of the blue field to be healed, the other tank takes over. (Both started on their opposite sides of hami). Then it was for the rest to cast hold and do their thing.
Empath during this casts cm's like crazy on the tank.
Until the patch hits live. Bring 3-4 holders (trollers/doms). For safety bring two tanks.
We discovered that a bubbler will be able to heal within the size of the bubble (amidst the blue field), but things like a blasters snipe will not work from inside the blue field.
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Basically this is spot on, Our first attempt the day before was with a bubbler in our team, whilest he casted his dispersion field and went inside the blue field, I went inside the bubblers dispersion field(i believe its this, forgot what he said) and I was able to heal the team from within that bubble.|
Originally Posted by Lady Arete
We did not use EoE's at all. One tank lured the rikti into hami, and when the yellow was attacked by the rikti and damaged, the other tank hit it until it was killed. continue until all where killed. Then we took the pylons, then one tank taunted a blue, while we ranged killed it. Rince and repeat.
But.. everytime a mito is killed, all run and regroup somewhere else. (You do not want the debuffs etc) The greens, have the trollers/doms chain hold one. I stood outside the blue field (blaster) and sniped at the target when it was being damaged by the holds. Hami itself. One tank tanks, if getting damaged its out of the blue field to be healed, the other tank takes over. (Both started on their opposite sides of hami). Then it was for the rest to cast hold and do their thing. Empath during this casts cm's like crazy on the tank. Until the patch hits live. Bring 3-4 holders (trollers/doms). For safety bring two tanks. We discovered that a bubbler will be able to heal within the size of the bubble (amidst the blue field), but things like a blasters snipe will not work from inside the blue field. Good luck to all of you who wants to get the badge before the patch |
However he wasnt with us on the second attempt, so the team did their upmost best to stick to as close to the edge of the bubble and still try to maintain range so that I could heal them that way. CMs were very important throughout the whole ordeal.
The best way is for 3-4 holders, one empath, 2 tanks and a blaster. With the current mag levels the Mo-attempt does become quite constrictive in what you want to bring, hopefully when that is lowered and the patch is implemented more AT's will be able to join for the badge!
Goodluck!
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I actually ran it the other day with 6 people and only had 1 Controller. Didn't get the badge, but was able to get past Hami. It just takes longer since you need a lot of DPS to take out the greens. Having a couple of mezzers is ideal though so you can clear the greens a lot quicker.
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Tips/things to look out for? From what I've read, have everyone try to have 2-3 EoEs and bring 2-4 mezzers? Thanks |
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The board does have the ability to drag-resize images using an advanced mode, but I haven't seen it really work very well or reliably. Luckily, E and I both use photobucket, which automatically makes a thumbnail for every image simply by putting a "th_" prefix on the filename. Other photo sites offer something similar as well.
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You can probably do it with as few as 3 controllers or dominator's if they have good recharge. I know we got roadblocked by the greens the next night running 3 forts and an a controller, even though the math said we should have been able to hold them.
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