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Originally Posted by Humbler
Scrappers fear where tankers trod.
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*high five*
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Considering Tankers were built to be the most durable archetype in the game, congratulations.......?
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Originally Posted by Humbler
I am an adict, i've tried to hide it for too long. It is time to come clean and admit it.
The first sign of recovery is admitting to a problem. I just cant find anything as durable as my tankers. Defenders are just to squishy. Scrappers fear where tankers trod. I am a city of heroes addict and im coming clean. |
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Originally Posted by Dispari
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I second the lol. "Fear to trod"... LOL, looky there, I made myself lol again. |
Originally Posted by Obsidian_Farmer
Okay, I lol'd
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My scrappers have often withstood onslaughts that have downed several tankers at once and have tanked where tankers fear to tread.
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I think the Scrappers in question fear what the Tankers leave... um... behind |
Originally Posted by StarGeek
My scrappers have often withstood onslaughts that have downed several tankers at once and have tanked where tankers fear to tread.
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Well of course my Scrappers fear to go where the Tankers are. The Tankers are back behind them holding one group for everyone to beat on while my whirling death machines are clearing half the map.
To go back there would be boring!
But I do know how you feel. I used to only be able to play Scrappers and Blasters. Now I'm known for my... Scrappers... and Blasters.... and my "Carnage in Cute Packages", which some people jokingly refer to as Defenders. Now they're soloing half the map too, or at least they would if people didn't keep following them...
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My katana will be alive, and me with a tired and bloody Divine Avalanche finger, long long after your tank has faceplanted.|
Originally Posted by Humbler
Scrappers fear where tankers trod.
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Defenders can have PFF, so at least the bubblers shouldn't die if they're paying attention and quick.
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Same thing here.. my scrappers often out perform the tanks they're teamed with. I have a claws scrapper that often tanks for her teams.
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Originally Posted by StarGeek
My scrappers have often withstood onslaughts that have downed several tankers at once and have tanked where tankers fear to tread.
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Open your eyes and learn to play.
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Originally Posted by Humbler
I just cant find anything as durable as my tankers. Defenders are just to squishy. Scrappers fear where tankers trod.
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Meh, played with intelligence and built right, any Tanker is going to take more punishment than a Scrapper and get more aggro as well. The game doesn't usually require those amounts, however.|
Originally Posted by Tayla Ewa
Same thing here.. my scrappers often out perform the tanks they're teamed with. I have a claws scrapper that often tanks for her teams.
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Which can be seen as a good thing. It's nice that teams don't have to have a Tanker or Brute (though it usually helps with AVs). The ATs are quite interchangeable, which is a good thing... though I do find the rivalry that some people see between the AVs amusing.
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Congratulations on all the badass Scrappers out there...I have a few myself.
But it's worth noting that an equivalently-well-built and well-played Tanker should be able to outlast all these uber Scrappers people are talking about. Sure, you can build and play a Scrapper that's tougher than a typical random Tanker, but that Scrapper is also tougher than a typical random Scrapper too -- it's the IOs and the player skill/knowledge that make the difference. Applying that same level of effort to a Tanker template with the higher caps and hit points will necessarily result in an even tougher character.
edit: what Grey Pilgrim said.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Meh, played with intelligence and built right, any Tanker is going to take more punishment than a Scrapper and get more aggro as well.
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A shield/dark melee tanker will outlast a dark melee/shield scrapper, as long as they have the same budget and are being played by the same level of competency players.
As soon as one player is smarter than the next, or that one player invested more in IOs, or one player chose different powersets... or any number of things including the RNG choosing to screw somebody over... it's anybody's guess as to who outlasts.
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I think had the OP not used the word "fear" there would have been less debate. Real scrappers don't fear anything. That's their style, that's their curse.
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I still remember back in the day when it was the Blasters who didn't fear anything; they're capped on debt anyway, so they have nothing to lose. |
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I think had the OP not used the word "fear" there would have been less debate. Real scrappers don't fear anything. That's their style, that's their curse.
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That's kind of my point. I have good Scrapper builds that can do some great things, and I've played with Tanker builds that were not so great. It doesn't change that given how the ATs are set up, a Tanker is going to be more survivable if built right. Of course build and skill makes a difference. I was pointing out how the ATs are different for the OP and other new players that might not understand where all these people are coming from that have Scrappers that are more survivable than Tanks.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
All things being equal, yes.
A shield/dark melee tanker will outlast a dark melee/shield scrapper, as long as they have the same budget and are being played by the same level of competency players. As soon as one player is smarter than the next, or that one player invested more in IOs, or one player chose different powersets... or any number of things including the RNG choosing to screw somebody over... it's anybody's guess as to who outlasts. |
It's simply because they have a good build and skill that they can do so well (and a certain allowance on the game's part to allow ATs to overlap in their competencies). But given that same setup, a Tank is going to do better in the surviving and aggro department, as they should. If they didn't, I would start hoping Castle would make some major changes to both ATs to balance them, and rightly so.
They do NOT NEED such balance adjustment, however (so no one should start thinking I'm calling for that). Pretty much any AT combination can accomplish any task in game, which is a great thing. I hate cookie cutter teams and builds. Each AT has its own pros and cons as well. Good stuff!
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I know, I was just making sure to spell things out. Some people might not have gotten the full picture.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
That's kind of my point.
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I wasn't calling you out or anything. Sorry if it came across that way.
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Heh, guess I didn't need to clarify (I've seen far too many posts about how "my AT is better than yours" etc., though, so I probably overdid it). Probably all good for new players to see it all, though.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I know, I was just making sure to spell things out. Some people might not have gotten the full picture.
I wasn't calling you out or anything. Sorry if it came across that way. |
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in the word of a friend:
"It's the Scrapper's nature to charge everything. If a scrapper appears down, it's only because he is charging the ground."
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Originally Posted by ElectroHawk
in the word of a friend:
"It's the Scrapper's nature to charge everything. If a scrapper appears down, it's only because he is charging the ground." |
Like the Blaster who charges ahead of his teammates and is mauled by two groups of mobs at once? "I was giving them a false sense of superiority!"
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It might seem like your scrappers are very very squishy at first, but so is EVERYTHING. Try /willpower (Katana/Willpower if you want extra defense bonuses) and actually level it up. Even slotted with just SOs or basic invention IOs...it can be a pretty amazing thing.
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Tanks could aggro entire mobs allowing his squishy teammates to AoE them to death.
Scrappers would simply go all Kenshin on them and before you can say boo the couple that are left can be managed by the rest of the team. Only problem is if the scrapper focuses on non minions and the minions swarm the squishy teammates. It's more exciting for the teammates to be sure but it does mean they usually need to lick their wounds while the scrapper descends on the next mob.
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Originally Posted by Humbler
I am an adict, i've tried to hide it for too long. It is time to come clean and admit it.
The first sign of recovery is admitting to a problem. I just cant find anything as durable as my tankers. Defenders are just to squishy. Scrappers fear where tankers trod. I am a city of heroes addict and im coming clean. |
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Originally Posted by Obsidian_Farmer
Okay, I lol'd
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I am an adict, i've tried to hide it for too long. It is time to come clean and admit it.
The first sign of recovery is admitting to a problem. I just cant find anything as durable as my tankers. Defenders are just to squishy. Scrappers fear where tankers trod.
I am a city of heroes addict and im coming clean.