how does energy transfer work?
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Bill Z Bubba,
Posted on: 2010-05-12 07:51 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
That five targets is referring to the taunt effect it applies not the damage.
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Energy Transfer, like all powers originally designed for Tankers, is a targeted AoE. It has two effects, with different radii. The first, the damage effect, has a tiny radius - so small it only hits one target. The second radius is for the Gauntlet taunt effect, and it has an 11 foot radius.
Every now and then, the developers forget about this quirk of Tanker melee powers, and funny things happen - like procs hitting the Gauntlet radius instead of the damage radius.
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It happened with Dual Blades, and I can totally see it happening with Kinetic Melee.|
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
Every now and then, the developers forget about this quirk of Tanker melee powers, and funny things happen - like procs hitting the Gauntlet radius instead of the damage radius.
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The new devs are... well, noobs
Ablating strike is an aoe for procs on stalkers.
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Energy Transfer for Brutes and Stalkers are single target attacks. In short, Tankers have wierd attacks that are all AoEs even when they are not AoEs. Just check the Brute, Stalker or Scrapper version of the attack on whatever site you're using if you want to check what the EFFECT of the attack is going to be. |
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
Energy Transfer, like all powers originally designed for Tankers, is a targeted AoE. It has two effects, with different radii. The first, the damage effect, has a tiny radius - so small it only hits one target. The second radius is for the Gauntlet taunt effect, and it has an 11 foot radius.
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This actually came about with Gauntlet, but it's what makes Gauntlet work the way it does.
Similarly, I think Ablating Strike for Stalkers is an AoE so the Sweep combo can be an AoE knockback like it is for everyone else.
I just wanted to say that I think Energy Melee's still a fun set... even after its big nerf, Energy Transfer's a really good power.
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no
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Originally Posted by Patteroast
I just wanted to say that I think Energy Melee's still a fun set... even after its big nerf, Energy Transfer's a really good power.
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Yes.
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Originally Posted by RabidBrian
no
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Yes.
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in all reality, its still no.
Would anyone skip Energy Transfer?
If you skip then whats the point of making an EM toon in the first place? Surely the pompoms arent THAT alluring.....
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Similar issue as with gauntlet, except AbS is procing on the sweep combo portion of the attack.
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Originally Posted by Terror1
Ablating strike is an aoe for procs on stalkers.
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This is true.|
Originally Posted by Hock
If you skip then whats the point of making an EM toon in the first place? Surely the pompoms arent THAT alluring.....
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I just avoid the set completely now.
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Yeah, I have two lvl 50 tanks with energy melee, and I wish I could change them both to something else. The old Energy Transfer was the reason I made them.
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Originally Posted by Lenneth
This is true.
I just avoid the set completely now. |
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Sadly it appears Energy Transfer on stalkers seems to be the reason it was nerfed on tankers. Now Tanks have glowing Pomp Pomps that are as effective as ..... Pomp-Pomps. Still they are pretty..
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I guess you have never played an energy melee stalker then. When stalkers got EM the devs had pre-nerfed ET and TF. ET does no self damage instead of a crit, and TF has the same crit as energy punch. |
Originally Posted by hewhorocks
Sadly it appears Energy Transfer on stalkers seems to be the reason it was nerfed on tankers. Now Tanks have glowing Pomp Pomps that are as effective as ..... Pomp-Pomps. Still they are pretty..
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It is stupid to blame one AT for the change of an obviously broken power, and it was. Though I will say the devs over nerfed ET. Maybe if TF or ET got made similar to thunder strike and part of the damage became an aoe it would help.
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EM for Stalkers was nerfed in more than just the reduced critical on Total Focus and non-critical on Energy Transfer: the chance for stun on the attacks is lower than the versions of Energy Punch (10% vs 30%), Bone Smasher (30% vs 60%), and Energy Transfer (50% vs 60%) that the other ATs get.
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Originally Posted by Dirges
I guess you have never played an energy melee stalker then. When stalkers got EM the devs had pre-nerfed ET and TF. ET does no self damage instead of a crit, and TF has the same crit as energy punch.
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Yup. But only because my brute will be made for tanking. Even without ET and TF, she'll still be dishing out more damage than a tank with EM. |
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Would anyone skip Energy Transfer?
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I know that energy melee isn't much in vogue these days but it's one of the few sets I haven't played, so wanted to give it a shot. I just got to lvl 35 on a tank and the in-game description is very confusing.
it says the attack has a 7' range (normal for a single target melee attack) but has an 11' radius and can hit a maximum of 5 targets. however, it takes melee IOs, not PBAoE IOs.
if I am the center of the attack "circle", an 11' radius is around 60% greater distance than the attack's range. I haven't played very much since I hit lvl 35 but I don't believe I have seen it hit more than 1 target yet. and I have been in the middle of some closely packed groups of bad guys, so it should have hit multiple targets if it could do so.
so could someone please help me understand how this power is supposed to work? is it a single target with an incorrect description? an AoE power? but if so, is it a 360 degree circle attack? or really a small cone, in which case that's a really poor description
thanks, in advance, for any assistance provided