I consider myself low tier rich by the standards I imagine apply to the upper wealth tiers of this forum's regular crowd. That said, I did blow 2B on a single IO without any wealth consolidation from other characters, and currently have more than 1B cash on hand for the character I did that on. I could do that several times over with different characters, so I am pretty sure most players consider that stupidly, inconceivably rich.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I've been playing for a year now and have purpled out a blaster and a kin. These days, I've been pulling in about 100mil every 3 days. I don't consider that wealthy by any standard, but people think i'm rolling in it because i hand out most of my inf randomly and daily. per exemplo: 200mil to subsidize a perc CC on my server
Peeps like fulmens prob don't have as much as others, but its cause he likes to share the wealth. i really respect him for it.
i'm sure if he started to do some srs bzns, he'd be sippin 50billion tea
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I tend to agree with Catwhoorg. Even 100B (in combined assets) isn't that much nowadays, as putting together a maxed out, BUY IT NOW build on vill side might cost up to 15-20 billions.
(Keywords bolded before someone jump in with "oh well my super duper vill build cost me 300m".)
I dont do as much Marketing as I use to I have been hit with a serious case of the Alt's and running my MLC/Teenage toons for the drops and just sell them, and to that extent I am just SO'ing and Frankenslotting them to be very effective.
If I had to put a number on it right now I have about 15-20 billion in liquid cash among all my toons and if I stripped and sold out I would have approximately 50 billion.
I only have one toon really pimped out and that is my Ice/Kin Corr who only has 2 sets of purples. Never really seemed to need much more and since I dont pvp I dont really see myself spending hugh dollars on any of my toons
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Is that possible? Last I heard there was a limit of 100,000 so that max available as emails was 2bill. Bit this may have changed.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
The game isn't over until you have every market slot taken up with a 2 billion placeholder bid. After Issue 17, it's not over until you have every market slot taken up with a 2 billion placeholder bid and all 20 of your emails with 2 billion inf attachments.
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Just double checked. It is still at 999,999,999.00 so max as email is 19,999,999,990.00 Plus 20 items which if it is the glad proc, could top out at over 5 billion an email.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Is that possible? Last I heard there was a limit of 100,000 so that max available as emails was 2bill. Bit this may have changed.
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But there's no point to having massive amount of liquid cash just sitting around doing nothing.
Any of you big boys out there care to give your opinion of Filthy versus Obscenely rich? Smurphy? Bronx still around? And what about PvP Farmers. Anyone who got into purples early is probably rolling in it now. Mac?
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They've upped it then, nice.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Just double checked. It is still at 999,999,999.00 so max as email is 19,999,999,990.00 Plus 20 items which if it is the glad proc, could top out at over 5 billion an email.
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There has actually been at least one whole thread discussing that topic. I think its an untrue statement.|
Originally Posted by TopDoc
But there's no point to having massive amount of liquid cash just sitting around doing nothing.
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Liquid cash sitting around doing nothing is an investment in ability to do something at a later time without the need to convert some other storage instrument into cash. No better example of this is available than the 2B I mentioned spending on an IO. I had no intention of such an expenditure, but then the BotZ change rounded the corner. I had one character I really didn't want the full impact of that change for, and a PvP +3% defense was my best cushion in terms of build impact. 2B+ on hand let me obtain one, though it took a while, because that's actually a pretty lowball bid on that IO.
Also, so long as it is not your only method of wealth storage, cash inf is also a means of hedging against slew in the market value of other storage instruments - when particular IOs devalue, for example, the buying power of "cash" inf usually increases.
Despite regular claims by from a few regulars that cash is always a declining value, we're now in the second clear case I know of where this is untrue. Both times I am thinking of, it took more and more cash inf to buy stuff on the market, which meant you could sell stuff for more and more inf. Then, something changed - in both cases I am thinking of it was the hammer coming down on the more egregious goings on in the AE. Market prices rapidly retreated. Both times, I have been sitting on huge piles of cash earned during the price "bubble" created by the influx of cash into the game's economy. Both times I have been able to use that after the "bust" to obtain high-priced goods at comparative bargains. Had I held on to the cash value in any instrument other than a very short list of PvPOs, they would have devalued with the goods on the market.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Marketeering-wise, this is certainly very true. However, for myself as a player, two things have made me change my mind and start storing about half my wealth as Stuff. |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
There has actually been at least one whole thread discussing that topic. I think its an untrue statement.
Liquid cash sitting around doing nothing is an investment in ability to do something at a later time without the need to convert some other storage instrument into cash. No better example of this is available than the 2B I mentioned spending on an IO. I had no intention of such an expenditure, but then the BotZ change rounded the corner. I had one character I really didn't want the full impact of that change for, and a PvP +3% defense was my best cushion in terms of build impact. 2B+ on hand let me obtain one, though it took a while, because that's actually a pretty lowball bid on that IO. Also, so long as it is not your only method of wealth storage, cash inf is also a means of hedging against slew in the market value of other storage instruments - when particular IOs devalue, for example, the buying power of "cash" inf usually increases. Despite regular claims by from a few regulars that cash is always a declining value, we're now in the second clear case I know of where this is untrue. Both times I am thinking of, it took more and more cash inf to buy stuff on the market, which meant you could sell stuff for more and more inf. Then, something changed - in both cases I am thinking of it was the hammer coming down on the more egregious goings on in the AE. Market prices rapidly retreated. Both times, I have been sitting on huge piles of cash earned during the price "bubble" created by the influx of cash into the game's economy. Both times I have been able to use that after the "bust" to obtain high-priced goods at comparative bargains. Had I held on to the cash value in any instrument other than a very short list of PvPOs, they would have devalued with the goods on the market. |
Firstly, the shininess of the Big Numbers has long worn off. As things stand, I've got enough cash to buy whatever I want/need, but I have everything I want or need. Which leads to the second point...
The Black Market is a turd. There's no point having scads and scads of cash to blow on a whim if there's nothing to blow it on. I'd much rather have a stockpile of generally-desireable IOs that I'll almost certainly want/need at some point in the future. Stuff like LotGs, purples, health procs etc.
So as things stand, I've got half my monies in cash, half either in bought IOs sitting in a bin or in bids out for IOs to go sit in bins :3
As for the original question: I'd say 50b or so is filthy rich, 100+b is obscenely rich.
With my 6b on hand, I am a measly pauper. Though I don't have any idea how much all the stuff in my builds is worth. Far too much effort to go count. But like, I've got some stuff. And that is good enough for me
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Some folks like the feel of all the cash under the pillow. Some folks can't be bothered to market. Some folks already have a nest egg, and are confident they can mutiply it whenever the mood strikes. Some folks dont want to pay attention to the ebbs and floes and react in a rush because they are about to loose everything on a small change to an IO from the Devs.|
Originally Posted by TopDoc
But there's no point to having massive amount of liquid cash just sitting around doing nothing.
Any of you big boys out there care to give your opinion of Filthy versus Obscenely rich? Smurphy? Bronx still around? And what about PvP Farmers. Anyone who got into purples early is probably rolling in it now. Mac? |
Hell, I would be willing to invest in someone willing to watch the market constantly and give me a great return on my investment. Course it would have to start off small, but I could easily imagine it ramping up to the billions pretty quickly. Of course, as there are no laws here in this little sandbox, that someone would have to be very trustworthy...
Just to say i mean't 15bill not 15mill :P
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I definitely suggest to anyone storing wealth that they do so in a diversified way as you do. That means to store some as "stuff" and some as cash. I also like to store some as merits (maximum flexibility non-purp/non-PvPO) for and (to a lesser extent) tickets.|
Originally Posted by Silas
Marketeering-wise, this is certainly very true. However, for myself as a player, two things have made me change my mind and start storing about half my wealth as Stuff.
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My point was just that even in such diversified wealth storage scheme, that leads to some wealth that's simply stored as cash, and so contradicts the notion that wealth stored as cash has no utility.
I totally get your take on the Black Market. Of course, at that point I stop viewing what we hoard in that situation as "wealth", because I think of wealth as something I can spend to buy something else. At that point it just becomes a hoard.
One thing I will say about hoarding cash - comments attributed to Posi at the last M&G suggest to me that there may be some extra-market way to get IOs in the works for GR (or beyond). We have no idea what that means, but if that way doesn't involve spending infamy, then its value may drop dramatically, depending on how good a supplier said hypothetical supply of IOs might be.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
More inf than me = rich.
More inf than I need* = filthy rich.
More inf than I could ever conceivably need or want or know what to do with = obscenely rich.
*By "need" I mean "need to finish my current projects to my satisfaction;" none of them are Mind Doms and "to my satisfaction" is well beyond what is required to play the game, so it's quite a bit of inf.
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Thing is, new long-term vets are supposedly getting more market slots.|
Originally Posted by Daemodand
The game isn't over until you have every market slot taken up with a 2 billion placeholder bid. After Issue 17, it's not over until you have every market slot taken up with a 2 billion placeholder bid and all 20 of your emails with 2 billion inf attachments.
At that point you become an honorary Smurphy and must post a picture of your character wearing a pink bunny suit. |
I'd classify "obscenely rich" as someone who could fill all market slots and e-mail slots on a single server with 2 billion bids and still have 2 billion on-hand per-toon on that server to be obscenely rich.
In other words 36x*whatever.
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if only i could quantify my wealth...
io-ing pvp toons = always want to build something = all my worth is stored in equity.
Since I've stopped playing this game in an obsessive manner, I've lost 15 pounds.
I'd say that puts me on the right track. 
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Since I've stopped playing this game in an obsessive manner, I've lost 15 pounds.
I'd say that puts me on the right track. |
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Since I've stopped playing this game in an obsessive manner, I've lost 15 pounds.
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Since I've stopped playing this game in an obsessive manner, I've lost 15 pounds.
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I, unfortunately, sold many of my PvP IOs before they tied them to rep. I remember selling a +3% def piece for 600 mil and thinking that was a lot (because, well, it was at the time). |
Originally Posted by TopDoc
But there's no point to having massive amount of liquid cash just sitting around doing nothing.
Any of you big boys out there care to give your opinion of Filthy versus Obscenely rich? Smurphy? Bronx still around? And what about PvP Farmers. Anyone who got into purples early is probably rolling in it now. Mac? |
On the other hand, even some of the crappier PvP IOs now sell for that much.To be honest, considering how I frequent the market forum I'm pretty sure I'm nowhere near "top-tier" wealthy, in terms of liquid inf at least. I maybe have 20 billion in liquid inf across both sides and all servers, probably about 2/3 of that is infamy. Now, if you start adding up value of unspent merits, enhancements currently slotted, and enhancements sitting in base bins, I'm sure it's easily three times that number - my Warshade alone is probably worth 10-15 billion (oh, the irony). In fact, I should do the math on that right now: I remember putting that build together for 400 mil or so during I13. This is the Warshade's current build, if anyone feels like doing the math for me.
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I remember those days. It was at this time, right before they changed the PvP IO drop rate (and added the fix so people like myself and Mac couldn't duel box our accounts in arena 30 min matches with our MMs to farm PvP IOs), that I bought up all the proc's I could knowing the price was gonna skyrocket. I think I managed to get a total for both CoH/CoV: 17 or so Glad Javs, 7 Pana's HP/+End, 4 or 5 Glad Strike's, 3 Glad Armors (these were and are still the hardest to get) and I think 5 Shield Walls. I can't recall if that is exact but I know those numbers are close to what I horded back then. All of that is now either slotted into my characters or long sold to fund a build.|
Originally Posted by macskull
I remember selling a +3% def piece for 600 mil and thinking that was a lot (because, well, it was at the time).
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As far as how much I have...well Smurphy puts it best with his sig saying "Wealth is Subjective." All I can say is that like Barrier, Mac, Smurph and the rest...our money makes money. We'll never go broke because we have equity and the ability to always make more. One 15bil build doesnt side track wealth. It will however turn rich into poor overnight.
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