never was in a raid and dont really care if they come back
however, i know for a fact that base raids wont be back for quite some time (they did say they were going to work on them at some point, but i wouldnt expect it to come back for quite awhile)
base raids cant just be "reactivated" because there would be no point as items of power are no longer in the game and the whole point of a base raid was to steal and item of power and due to the current coding of bases (they were disabled in i13 because they removed pathing and other code rants)
tl;dr i would expect base raids to return, just not sometime in the near future
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Items of power are nice but they were not the point of base raiding. I did most of my raiding well after the Cathedral of Pain went down. People base raided for the same reason some people in this game kill the same Freakshow tank over and over again and don't get tired of it--they find the event in itself to be worthwhile.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
base raids cant just be "reactivated" because there would be no point as items of power are no longer in the game and the whole point of a base raid was to steal and item of power and due to the current coding of bases (they were disabled in i13 because they removed pathing and other code rants) |
If you have more data as to why Base Raiding was deactivated, please elaborate--I was out of CoX when they took it down.
Thank you.
I did one base raid. It was my PvP SG against the top base raid team of the time (no idea on the name anymore), and it just showed how far behind the curve those teams were. We beat them like 300 to 2 or something on the first raid we ever did. Pretty sure we never did any after that, since if we beat the best team that badly, there wasn't really any point in it.
All I remember is that the lag was totally unplayable. I was completely frozen for most of the match. I think it may have been something to do with my computer, but also there was some issue with the raids being much laggier than normal PvP for some reason.
Anyway, it would definitely be cool to see them back. With zone PvP becoming a joke after I13, and arena PvP becoming a complete case of haves and have-nots, maybe base raiding would infuse some excitement into the game.
But considering that most bugs exist for an average of 2-3 years, and some are simply never fixed at all.....yeah, the chances of raids being fixed are pretty close to zero.
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well according to the wiki, base raids were centered around stealing an item of power, that was the point of them, in i13 they removed pathing from base design so that you could block doors and stuff with place-able items (as well as overlap items)|
Originally Posted by Murdok
Items of power are nice but they were not the point of base raiding. I did most of my raiding well after the Cathedral of Pain went down. People base raided for the same reason some people in this game kill the same Freakshow tank over and over again and don't get tired of it--they find the event in itself to be worthwhile.
If you have more data as to why Base Raiding was deactivated, please elaborate--I was out of CoX when they took it down. Thank you. |
i13 also did the base repricing and changed everything to accept invention salvage
i13 was also pvp nerf 2.0
i cant find the posts right now about reasons it was disabled, but i know when i13 was released one of the devs made a comment that they disabled base raids because they also disabled pathing (the tech which prevented poeple from blocking doorways with placeable items, ect) (i think the dev was ghost falcon), i tried searching the dev digest for the post about it, but it looks like it was purged
i know part of the reason they disabled it was because of tech reasons and the other reason was because with no items of power base raids had no real point to exist (base raids were designed with the point to be stealing items of power, no you didnt have to do that, but thats what they were designed for)
heres links to base raid question threads which are also very recent:
raids?
raids?
raids?
when are raids coming back?
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Originally Posted by Murdok
3 questions to the PVP community regarding base raiding:
1) How many of you have actually participated in a base raid? 2) How many of you who have want it back? 3) If you do want it back--would you be willing to voice your opinion to the devs about reactivating base raids in i17 or i18? Thanks. |
. But to answer your question, I have participated, I want it back, and I am willing to voice my opinion.
i did quite a few base raids on justice with a few of the largest SG&VGs of the time(misfits, pandemonium, doidd, and a couple others less known/ive forgotten names). it was a nice change from zone pvp that was so hot back then and was the sole reason I ever joined a sg/vg after it was released. i even did a couple CoP runs with people just to help their sg, and then quit.
back then big sg rivalries meant something. nowadays a sg is just a personal storage bin and with i17 giving us item emailing that use will be gone as well.
i would definately want the feature to be reinstated but i know it isnt something that they can just switch on again. they broke them on purpose to allow base builders to make the monstrosities of base design that we have now.
honestly, i'd be happy if even all we got was CoP back even without the pvp aspect of bases. that way at least people would have an incentive to join sg's anymore.
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Item count is higher in bases than in zones. So you're constantly rendering more things and it makes your graphics card QQ in broadcast.|
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All I remember is that the lag was totally unplayable. I was completely frozen for most of the match. I think it may have been something to do with my computer, but also there was some issue with the raids being much laggier than normal PvP for some reason.
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I'd love base raids to come back though. It is doable. Just have the items of power stored in an instanced pallete stored off-screen. By this I mean that your custom base would have a door in it somewhere which led to an instanced part of the base where items of power were stored. This instance would be a non-customizable palette (a map that you could pick the theme of - magical/tech/etc - but could not actually edit in any way) that you could only enter during base raids. The normal base would not be accessible by the enemy during raids, just the non-editable instanced part that housed the IOP.
It's a pipedream. But if we got base raids back they would have to take that format.
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I've never seen an avatar as ugly and repulsive as yours
. But to answer your question, I have participated, I want it back, and I am willing to voice my opinion. |
The rivalry continues even in cyberspace
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You've got some good info there.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
well according to the wiki, base raids were centered around stealing an item of power, that was the point of them, in i13 they removed pathing from base design so that you could block doors and stuff with place-able items (as well as overlap items)
i13 also did the base repricing and changed everything to accept invention salvage i13 was also pvp nerf 2.0 i cant find the posts right now about reasons it was disabled, but i know when i13 was released one of the devs made a comment that they disabled base raids because they also disabled pathing (the tech which prevented poeple from blocking doorways with placeable items, ect) (i think the dev was ghost falcon), i tried searching the dev digest for the post about it, but it looks like it was purged i know part of the reason they disabled it was because of tech reasons and the other reason was because with no items of power base raids had no real point to exist (base raids were designed with the point to be stealing items of power, no you didnt have to do that, but thats what they were designed for) heres links to base raid question threads which are also very recent: raids? raids? raids? when are raids coming back? |
I just got a PM from Castle answering the "why they are not back up and running" question and he told me that there were major bugs. He also said there was a leveling exploit associated with base raids which I had never heard of before.
I also asked him if there was anyway they could reactivate base raids with the bugs and he told me "Not in the current state, no."
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the lvling exploit is with the cathedral of pain trial, which is to get items of power which is the main point of base raids (to steal the items of power), any other lvl exploit with it is unknown to me|
Originally Posted by Murdok
You've got some good info there.
I just got a PM from Castle answering the "why they are not back up and running" question and he told me that there were major bugs. He also said there was a leveling exploit associated with base raids which I had never heard of before. I also asked him if there was anyway they could reactivate base raids with the bugs and he told me "Not in the current state, no." |
they did say at PAX east that they would eventually get back to base raids, CoP and IoP and redo all of it
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Originally Posted by Murdok
What? A Tar hole fan? I haven't seen any of you guys in like a over a year. I guess being preseason number 4 and not even making the NCAA will thin your numbers some.
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To your OP
1. Yes, our SG was in a fairly successful base raiding ladder on infinity
2. No, I wouldn't want base raiding back unless it follows PvE rules
3. No, I wouldn't voice my opinion. Its been stated that PvP isn't really on the radar of the devs per their PAX east panel discussion. Since we'd need to 'prove' to the devs that it would be worth their time to tweak PvP by keeping the community playing their sub-standard design...its not worth the time
Hell...its not really worth the time I put into writing this post.
But good luck to you, I hope your voice is heard even if countless others before you haven't.
Base raids under the current PvP ruleset would be absolute ****.
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Originally Posted by macskull
Base raids under the current PvP ruleset would be absolute ****.
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I wasn't In a full base Raid but, I did do a one or two in the past, Base Raid are really fun for PvP and PVE Fans. I Join Back when base Raids where broken and couldn't do the Cathedral of Pain Trial for an Item of Power. We still did Raids where we defend or Invade the Enemy base's, The Rule where still there, just we couldn't use or have an Item of Powers. I believe i heard People Talking about it coming back after Going Rogue and !19, Hopefully this isn't a rumor and we all can Raid again.
We did a couple of Base Raid with the SG and yes i was in a base Raid
I would like the base Raids to come back with either PVP Rule now or Something New, Once again i think Base Raids Should be for all people, PVP and PVE alike.
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Originally Posted by Supermax
Anyway, it would definitely be cool to see them back. With zone PvP becoming a joke after I13, and arena PvP becoming a complete case of haves and have-nots, maybe base raiding would infuse some excitement into the game. But considering that most bugs exist for an average of 2-3 years, and some are simply never fixed at all.....yeah, the chances of raids being fixed are pretty close to zero. |
I also did one base raid on a SG that used me to familiarize themselves to PvP at the time. We also won a raid vs a supposed top Base Raiding SG with a score of 50 something to 3 (40 something kills were from me trapping people in corners). Lag was alright since i had a top end PC and video card, but i suspect that if you have a PoS PC like many players do, raiding is kinda out of the question. Also later that week the SG we defeated broke up and never raided again... I later quit the SG i was on to join a PvP SG... i was begged to come back because they were losing their base raids...I never went back.
I do hope that base raiding comes back. But i think that base raiding needs a whole new approach to make it more meaningful. I believe that PvP bases should have an outdoor instance that does not take up so much graphical resources on top of an indoor instance. These outdoor instances should be pre-made by the devs but chosen by the SG (ie "oh my base is a space station, you should try to raid it... OH yeah my base is an island blah blah blah..."). There would be 2 rounds of 10 min fights, but if defenders keep defenses up for 10 min in the first round outdoors, defenders win. The outdoor fight would end once the raiders defeat all appropriate base defenses and enter the door for the indoor instance. Once inside, it would be like the old base raiding system except that only essencial base raiding items like defences, items of power, power generators, hospitals, etc. are there. All non-essencial items like book shelves, banners, chairs, tables, and all that other extraneous good looking stuff and decorations would not be present. This will help improve the mechanics and balance to raiding and allow for many players of varying skill and PC levels to participate. If base raiding were more like this i think the PvPEC may employ base raiding for future PvP events since it would be more balanced this way.
I used to base raid, basically Empire said it already- not worth the effort for a watered down system.
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1. yes, i have raided
2. yes, i want it back
3. yes, i will voice an opinion about it.
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Base raiding..if u love or hate pvp...base raiding...was the bomb when it was out and was very fun, but with bad coding its being reworked...do i want it....DO I WANT 100000MILL POUNDS IN RL- OFC when..when they get it right...if it turns out to be so good my brain just explodes thru excitment..i can wait till i22 if i must.
Oh how I miss base raiding. Dark Fallen on Freedom was king. As I can recall, record was 140-0-2, probably higher, thats just the number i remember it at last. It was a great time. The removal of the base raids killed the sg. What a sad day. Hopefully they come back
base raids were fun at first, but the lag was horrendous and back then tp foe didn't have that intangible aspect it does now. People abused that and things like shivans too much to make it any fun. I think if it's to be reactivated they should set it up with pvp rules, otherwise its an aoe spamfest.
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
1)yup. At one point PoN on Champs was having 2 16v16's every other day. We'd invite pick-up's all the time to join.
2)yes, I would!. The main thing that caused lag in the raids was moving or animated base objects (torches, monitor's, tp'ers). You could drastically reduce the lag by not using that stuff. You could also use it as a weapon/cheat? to mapserv your opponents. (Which wouldn't be fun for anyone, but useful for protecting a Item of Power)
-Seems like the devs could simply disabled that moving shiny stuff for base raids..Well, that might have worked back then anyways... Now with objects having a smaller footprint and able to stack a million items in one spot would put the lag over the top 
-I guess, in addition to the other requirements of a raidable base, the SG would have to design a base with no over-lapping of items?
and as far as people closing off rooms and making a base raid "unwinnable"..who cares really, if a sg wants to manipulate the map like that, i can just take my toys elsewhere.
3)no, other than this rambling..
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1) How many of you have actually participated in a base raid?
400+ Base raids Complete
2) How many of you who have want it back?
We have TONS of people drooling over the very possiblity of them returning
3) If you do want it back--would you be willing to voice your opinion to the devs about reactivating base raids in i17 or i18?
We have voiced our opinion VERY openly to the DEVS at HeroCon... And were given a polite "brush off answer" of.... "Base Raids are slated for a return in the future, But not any specific time period"
Edit: At this point, Honestly I would PAY to have Base Raids return.....srs
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3 questions to the PVP community regarding base raiding:
1) How many of you have actually participated in a base raid?
2) How many of you who have want it back?
3) If you do want it back--would you be willing to voice your opinion to the devs about reactivating base raids in i17 or i18?
Thanks.