1 Billion - Really Doesn't Mean Much Any More Does it?


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Heh. I've been wondering about this myself -- I got a character to 1 billion this weekend, but didn't post anything, because I can't decide if it's the round number of one billion or the functional cap of two billion that "matters."

Of course it's a silly question; I probably can muster 2 billion across my entire account, and e-mailing influence will trivialize the classic monocle-and-teabag screenshot soon enough anyway.

But 100 billion? That'll require 50 characters just to hold, if you don't park it in WW slots or convert it to PVP IOs. How would you "prove" it, anyway? 50 screenshots will try any reader's patience, and how would we know it's not the same 2 billion being e-mailed around? It's almost too cumbersome to be interesting.

Edit: oh, and regarding what to do with that wealth...I bought two IO recipes last night. Level 30-ish melee damage triples for frankenslotting in a level 30 character. They set me back 55 Inf apiece.


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Hi all!

I do think 1 Billion is still a nice amount of inf., but I really am doing fine building toons for below 200 Mio. (I'm using the planner and do never calculate with purples) and they really do well (softcapped defenses etc.). If I wanted I had a billion soon. I'd just grind it out with one of my 50s in a nice mission +0/8 and look for good drops...
But what I do instead is selling stuff for much less than market value... I mainly grind for salvage. I sell whites for 250, yellows for 1000 (always) and keep the oranges. I want to bring prices down again... but it's not easy to flood the market with salvage for ONE person... I just don't find the prices reasonable at the moment and I think it scares away people (referring to newbs) from the game... Redside I've seen some success already but as soon as I stop it goes away again... :-/ If we had the low prices again... think of how much your Billions would be worth again!
I'd also like it if we only had one market for blue AND redside, but that's a different discussion.

Have a nice day!

Cheers Schlu.

PS: Please help me flood the market with cheap stuff!


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Originally Posted by Schlu View Post
PS: Please help me flood the market with cheap stuff!
You might be interested in the Midlevel Crisis effort.


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I had to stop storing influ in its place i store purples and pvp ios since i would be way over my 2 bill cap on every toon.

its just easier to store it as armageddons, and panacea and glad processes etc....

on one toon whats in my ww storage id be over 10 bill. forget about my purple bin in base that i cant even wrap my head around

i strongly urge a new cap about 100 bill per toon or in a personal bank account in the vault


 

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This discussion has made me wonder what my main's current build is worth were I to sell all his enhancements on the market.


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Originally Posted by Sailboat View Post
But 100 billion? That'll require 50 characters just to hold, if you don't park it in WW slots or convert it to PVP IOs. How would you "prove" it, anyway? 50 screenshots will try any reader's patience, and how would we know it's not the same 2 billion being e-mailed around? It's almost too cumbersome to be interesting.
Well, you can "prove" 16B in a single, static screenshot; more if you use a recording of the wents window and scroll across (42B-ish depending on how many slots you have). I guess technically, you can show 18B in a shot, but that last slot gets clipped so you might be able to obfuscate a 2M bid as a 2B bid. Anyway, 6~7 of those screenies and you're truly Ebil. And, we have to have some honor in our ebliness not to cheat and send inf to other toons for multiple screenshots, obv, otherwise you can just phtoshop those anyway.

Of course, if you're looking to burn 100B inf, there's nothing more convincing (or easy) that showing a stack of 10 bids for 2B each, which means a guaranteed 18B burned. Mult by 7 slots and you have 142B in hand (+2B on your ebil self), and 126B in guaranteed burnage, cementing your Ebil legacy. Someone (else) do eet!


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I'm still working on this one. I did have one of my ten toons get a rare purple and sell it for $400 Million in influence at the market which left them with over $500 Million. I then proceeded to spend influence like a drunken sailor and buy some nice enhancements.

With that being said, people mention this "cap" thing. What exactly is the cap? Is it a certain amount that each toon is allowed to have at one time,.e.g. $2 Billion for example? And if this is the case, why is there a cap and why is it set at a certain number? I really cannot see anything negative as to why the dev's wouldn't make the cap size larger or maybe even unlimited.







 

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba View Post
This discussion has made me wonder what my main's current build is worth were I to sell all his enhancements on the market.
I ran the numbers on Cat a while ago. 12.5 billion, but the PVP IOs have inflated further since then.

Its pretty scary having that result stare you in the face.



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I'm still working on this one. I did have one of my ten toons get a rare purple and sell it for $400 Million in influence at the market which left them with over $500 Million. I then proceeded to spend influence like a drunken sailor and buy some nice enhancements.

With that being said, people mention this "cap" thing. What exactly is the cap? Is it a certain amount that each toon is allowed to have at one time,.e.g. $2 Billion for example? And if this is the case, why is there a cap and why is it set at a certain number? I really cannot see anything negative as to why the dev's wouldn't make the cap size larger or maybe even unlimited.
2 billion inf is the cap.
Its limited by the type of variable used in the coding, and changing it is a non-trivial endeavour.



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2 billion inf is the cap.
Its limited by the type of variable used in the coding, and changing it is a non-trivial endeavour.
A signed 32 bit int tops out at 2 147 483 648, so they may have a little wiggle room, but probably not worth bothering with.


 

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A billion inf remains a significant amount of wealth, outside of purples and pvp IOs it retains much of the purchasing power it held back when the billionaire club was a true accomplishment. Its those outlier items where a billion starts to look like pocket change. If you're happy with non-purple builds for most alts (like I am) then that money will take you very far.

The ebil club needs to shift to at least 10bil to regain its former leetness, possibly 20bil. Makes for difficult screenie evidence tho (not like existing 1bil screenshots couldn't be easily faked and are taken on the "honor system"). I've 14.5bil across eight holder alts redside, guess I could make a monocle collage but its not worth the hassle.



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Originally Posted by Schlu View Post
Hi all!

But what I do instead is selling stuff for much less than market value... I mainly grind for salvage.

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PS: Please help me flood the market with cheap stuff!
If you seriously want to flood the market with salvage, grind AE and do common ticket rolls. I don't know how "big" the redside market is, could a few dedicated guys flood enough salvage into the market to bring it back to normal? 1500 tickets == 187 salvage, how many tickets/hour does a serious farming build earn?


 

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The 1b benchmark is what it is. Those today don't think of it as epic, but from ground zero it takes a while. Sure, flipping a purple a few times, or once, can get you a bil pretty quick. By someone with 43k can't do that yet.

[edited to change months to weeks, sheesh]

It took me around 3 weeks to go from having 10m total on all my toons to 1b each on two that I decided to try to do that. Ten million was tons to me. I freaked out when a farmer gave me 30m one day when he found out how little I had. I had never slotted anything but SOs and considered them expensive.

1b is a good amount to get a good, nearly capped, build going. I just did a Ma/Inv scrapper for 700m.

A billion proves you know marketing to some extent and spent time doing it. If a first grader comes up to you and shows you they made a 100 on a spelling test, do you say, "So? Geez, these words are nothing. I don't even know why they have first grade anymore."

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So who wants to start the Iron Man Screenshot club? Show a screenshot where you're burning a billion in market fees. Selling,buying, whatever.
Ooh, I like this.

I would find it Veeery impressive if I saw a screenshot of someone buying a salvage that sells for about 10 inf for 2b.

1. Why do people even list something that sells for 10 inf?
2. How would the person collect the money if they already had funds in hand?


 

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A billion inf remains a significant amount of wealth, outside of purples and pvp IOs it retains much of the purchasing power it held back when the billionaire club was a true accomplishment. Its those outlier items where a billion starts to look like pocket change. If you're happy with non-purple builds for most alts (like I am) then that money will take you very far.

The ebil club needs to shift to at least 10bil to regain its former leetness, possibly 20bil. Makes for difficult screenie evidence tho (not like existing 1bil screenshots couldn't be easily faked and are taken on the "honor system"). I've 14.5bil across eight holder alts redside, guess I could make a monocle collage but its not worth the hassle.
Stop being ebil and let people have items and inf :<


 

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Hmm - I personally think 1 billion is just "pocket" change, but it is still a significant amount in terms of overall usage. My characters build's require enhancements to make them fit my play style - I like maxed out toons, they must achieve what I want (reasonably) them to achieve and normally I'll come up with the inf to do it. Course it doesn't always take/worth it to put in the best of the best to get what I want for a particular toon.

the 'ebil' club amount can remain the same, but maybe formulate a new level of 'ebilness' -- cause obviously you can't buy everything that you could with a billion that you could a year ago or two years ago (pre-12)



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As others mentioned, 1 Billion is a lot if you don't go for a top end IO build. I know of several friends and players who are completely uninterested in IO'ing their characters with the best of everything and they have way more influence than they can possibly spend. They would never spend 1 Billion since they do fine with just SOs or generics.


 

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As others mentioned, 1 Billion is a lot if you don't go for a top end IO build. I know of several friends and players who are completely uninterested in IO'ing their characters with the best of everything and they have way more influence than they can possibly spend. They would never spend 1 Billion since they do fine with just SOs or generics.
Yep. Count me in that crowd.

I've yet to slot a single purple and most of my builds come in under 100M
with frankenslotted sets (I don't bother with DO's or SO's at all).

A billion is easily enough to equip the next 1/2 dozen alts I'll eventually make.

The far bigger issue for me is mid-level availability rather than simple wealth...


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Yep. Count me in that crowd.

I've yet to slot a single purple and most of my builds come in under 100M
with frankenslotted sets (I don't bother with DO's or SO's at all).

A billion is easily enough to equip the next 1/2 dozen alts I'll eventually make.

The far bigger issue for me is mid-level availability rather than simple wealth...


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Have you tried paying for mid level items ? I have no trouble obtaining them in reasonable time I just pay more than the last 5 which is almost always less than what the same item at 50 is going for. Usually I can fill in a week or less

If you expect people to sell you desirable items on the cheap I'd say thats not a market problem.


 

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I saw a recent thread where an erstwhile marketeer states he can be in the ebil club "nao". So sorry but you got to the party a bit late.

Think about it for a moment. Back when the ebil club started a billion really meant a lot. How many toons could you have fully outfitted with IO Sets including purples back in the day when ebils were rare?

Now fast forward to today... I am an ebil but it really doesn't matter when I would need to spend probably over 50 percent of my cash on hand for just ONE 2 Billion PvP IO. And what about our new ebil member? Yeah he can't buy one...

So, time for a new club? 10 ebil anyone? 20? 100?
lol, really? I made that thread as a joke considering how many times I come here, which isn't very often and there's always at least 1 thread saying they got 1 billion inf. Didn't think that would spark a serious thread lol.

Doesn't really matter to me if I can afford PvP IOs now, but they help fund my alts Would say my billion was pure luck...but then again, with how drops work with PvP IOs, it doesn't surprise me as much as it did before with them being so expensive.

To abide by the dress code that has been set forth, I went ahead and made the appropriate outfit for ebil though I'm not so ebil right now, I am pleased with the results I got on my Fire/Storm Corrupter and my Night Widow


 

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If you seriously want to flood the market with salvage, grind AE and do common ticket rolls. I don't know how "big" the redside market is, could a few dedicated guys flood enough salvage into the market to bring it back to normal? 1500 tickets == 187 salvage, how many tickets/hour does a serious farming build earn?
That's exactly what I do... I also transfer stuff to other toons and sell it in their slots...
It takes me about 30/45min. to make 1500 tickets/3000 tickets if I count those generated on 2. account...
Strange though... I had expected much "angrier" responses to my post (especially from the marketeers)...

And concerning the midlevel crisis project... thanks for the hint, but I'm from Germany and playing on Zukunft (possibly the most empty server on earth). I just post here, because here are actually people online...

And sorry for off-topic posting.

So back to topic...

I just made it to 1B by TRYING to sell whites for 250 and yellows for 1000... People are betting crazy amounts even though I put stuff up for less...

Cheers and have a nice day!
Schlu.


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That's exactly what I do... I also transfer stuff to other toons and sell it in their slots...
It takes me about 30/45min. to make 1500 tickets/3000 tickets if I count those generated on 2. account...
Strange though... I had expected much "angrier" responses to my post (especially from the marketeers)...

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I just made it to 1B by TRYING to sell whites for 250 and yellows for 1000... People are betting crazy amounts even though I put stuff up for less...
Are you doing this redside or blueside?

I'm curious, did you track how many salvage you've created and how much inf you've earned?

I should bookmark this thread as an example of how difficult it is to manipulate the market and fix prices.

The redside market has settled down a bit, I'm no longer moving multiple 10-stacks of $1 million fortunes.

I fear a lot of your inventory is enriching flippers, but it would be a lot of work to monitor every common salvage.

As for your reception here, I think most people here consider profiteering salvage as chump change, and wouldn't admit to it even it they did it.

Also most people here seem interested in understanding the dynamics of the market for it's own sake, not just as a way to profit.

And finally, crazy salvage prices have eroded some niches that used to be low-but-steady profit, I for one will be glad to see the madness end.


 

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Strange though... I had expected much "angrier" responses to my post (especially from the marketeers)...
Why? In general the only thing that irritates marketeers are people who post suggestions for "fixing" the market that are poorly conceived or imply that marketeers are deliberately raising prices for their own ebil reasons. If you want to flood the market with under-priced salvage go right ahead, I for one will thank you for it. My marketeering is mostly based on crafting so anything that lowers the price of salvage increases my profits .