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Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
I would like to post a suggestion/idea for the Devs on this. The one thing i wouldn't mind seeing and any Role players can back me up on this is the re increase of the bios instead of having only 1034 letters aloud that's like maybe 2 and a half paragraphs or so. Maybe if you don't mind for those that are Role Players and those who would like to have a great bio for some of there best toons to increase the bio space to maybe 9999 or maybe infinity cuz every hero also has a bio behind them and im not just saying it for me. I'd would like to see that for all players Pvpers,RPs, and the PvErs as well. So can a dev respond to the this post thank you.
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is anyone backing me up on this im surprised that the role players aren't all over this Idea.
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Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
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Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
is anyone backing me up on this im surprised that the role players aren't all over this Idea.
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I'd love to see an increase in the space allowed. I'd be happy with just double.
I can condense my bios down enough to get the point across, but there's beena few times I've been like "Nooo! Just need two more lines!"
And that's with me using "&" in place of "and" "w/" in place of "with"...ect...ect.
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I'm an RP'er and I don't want MASSIVE Bio Space, but a bit more would be nice.
GIGANTIC Bios can be a pain to read sometimes, especially when it's hard to get te pertinent details out of it.
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There's been backing for it (as well as a few nonsensical detractors) every time it's been suggested. Hasn't done any good for quite some time, though.
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Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
is anyone backing me up on this im surprised that the role players aren't all over this Idea.
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In addition to being against the rules, the time before your original post and your THIRD bump was 23 minutes. This is the pinnacle of impatience here. Post a thread, leave it alone for a day then come back and see what happened.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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To reiterate my comments in the Roleplay forum where this was also posted...
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Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
and any Role players can back me up on this
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In my experience, going back to well before CoH existed, long bio spaces are a terrible idea. If you'd like, I can enumerate various instances where long bios have belonged to some of the most awesomely bad roleplayers I've ever met, but I'd rather not. The only long bios I've ever read which were worth reading were parodies of the lousy ones written by other people.
Roleplaying is about talking to people and finding things out about their characters by interaction. If I can pull up a screen of information about your character which tells me everything I need to know, what's the point in talking to you? Having your character's life story written up there is an ego trip, not a roleplay aid.
The other major abuse of large bios is for power-gaming. The bio is usually a long list of the fake powers someone has and the outlandish justification for them. That's not roleplay either.
The bio we have is long enough for a good physical description. If you want something longer, put it on a web page and put the link in your bio.
Finally, this game has gone for about 6 years with the bio length it has. Increasing it has been suggested so many times it's untrue. WoW still has no official character bio data. It's really not that popular an idea, and it sure isn't as popular as you think with those who roleplay.
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About 1.5 or 2 times what we have at the moment would be nice. Sometimes, even if its not a full biog, the sensory and suchnot descriptions can take up a lot of room.
And the text boxes still need fixing. Been borked since I14, so...yeah.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Fine, then. DON'T do it because of roleplaying and roleplayers. Do it for writing and us writers who DO NOT roleplay with other people, are not interested in roleplaying with other people and prefer to not be around other people roleplaying. Some of us enjoy writing, and I know for a fact that a lot of us enjoy reading. Unless you have a specific reason why this is harmful to the game (and, no, bad bios are not a good reason, unless you want to remove the bio field alrogether), you really have no reason to argue against it.|
Originally Posted by Ravenswing
In my experience, going back to well before CoH existed, long bio spaces are a terrible idea. If you'd like, I can enumerate various instances where long bios have belonged to some of the most awesomely bad roleplayers I've ever met, but I'd rather not. The only long bios I've ever read which were worth reading were parodies of the lousy ones written by other people.
Roleplaying is about talking to people and finding things out about their characters by interaction. If I can pull up a screen of information about your character which tells me everything I need to know, what's the point in talking to you? Having your character's life story written up there is an ego trip, not a roleplay aid. |
As we ought to have established, "they should work on something else" is not a strong argument and, really, outside of that, what argument is there? That a small bio field somehow encourages people to write better? Because I know for a fact that it doesn't work that way on me. Either it encourages me to not write at all (which I hate), or it encourages me to just slap five sentences in there to put together the skeleton of a premise of a character who has a MUCH deeper, MUCH more interesting backstory that I don't have the room to even allude to unless I resort to a bulleted list. A bio needs to be informative and actually nice to read, but the character limit means any sort of lingual eloquence just puts you past the cap in two sentences or less.
Hell, JUST the size of this post would fit in the bio field, and I didn't even try hard.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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True, but then neither is "because I think they should" which is basically what the pro argument boils down to. What proof is there that the current space is insufficient, or that increasing it by some arbitrary amount will make it sufficient?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
As we ought to have established, "they should work on something else" is not a strong argument and, really, outside of that, what argument is there?
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The argument is the same as it was for power customization - no reason more than because people ask for it. What reason more do you really need? If it comes down to an argument between people who want it and people who don't want to see it added, then yeah, I can see the need for a solid, grounded argument, because then you'd be overriding some people's preferences. But for this? All you're really saying is "bah humbug." I want it, other people want it, it's been suggested plenty of times. Unless it bothers you to see it happen (why?), then what reason do you have to argue against it?|
Originally Posted by Shadow State
True, but then neither is "because I think they should" which is basically what the pro argument boils down to. What proof is there that the current space is insufficient, or that increasing it by some arbitrary amount will make it sufficient?
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I think they should do a lot of stuff they aren't doing right now, and my justification is because I want to see them. It's up to the developers to pick what to prioritise and decide what's worth the investment. Our purpose here is to judge suggestions based on how much we want to see them vs. how much seeing them will hurt us. Unless it hurts you, what, specifically, do you have against it?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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On-topic: What are we currently limited to? 1,023 (2^10 - 1)? VARCHAR columns can generally be set up with a maximum length of 8,000. TEXT columns generally have a maximum capacity of 2^31 - 1 (2,147,483,647), but if the server is storing double-byte characters the actual length would be halved...
For everyone that has no idea what I'm talking about:
Without knowing how the characters are stored on the game servers, I'm assuming that it would be safe to increase the character limit on the bios to one of: 8,000; 1,073,741,823; or 2,147,483,647. (ie, there would be no technological hurdle to doing so)
There may be non-technological reasons for not increasing the limit, or I may be completely wrong about how the characters are stored.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
MMO database servers are usually custom designs, not SQL. It is not safe to assume that it is 'safe' or easy to expand anything without it having weird repercusions on other parts of the system.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
Brevity is the soul of wit.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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1024 on the nose, but with a caveat. Unlike the Architect (which may have been fixed in the meantime), the ID screen doesn't expand new lines into <br> tags, and so doesn't swell the, say, four double line breaks into 32 symbols to put you past the limit. It just keeps them as they are.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
On-topic: What are we currently limited to? 1,023 (2^10 - 1)?
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I honestly wouldn't mind twice that. As it would let me extend my phrasing a LITTLE bit, and people who don't want to read are very much free to not read. As it has always been.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
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That being said I don't think the bio space needs to be expanded by huge amounts. I don't want to read novels here either but it's amazing how often I could've used say 100 or 200 characters more than the current 1023. I've probably wasted several hours total in the last 6 years re-writing many bios that started out being around 1200 characters to squeeze down into 1023.
Regardless I'm not going to assume this is ever going to change. This has been suggested for years and nothing's happened one way or the other. At least this game's better than Champions Online - it only allows 500 characters for bios. *shrugs*
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I don't really think anyone here expect this will happen, either pro or against people. But it really doesn't hurt to keep suggesting something you want occasionally. The developers DO listen, despite people doing their best to stamp out so many ideas.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Regardless I'm not going to assume this is ever going to change. This has been suggested for years and nothing's happened one way or the other. At least this game's better than Champions Online - it only allows 500 characters for bios. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'd like this idea, but first fix the whole Text Box+Cursor=DOOOOooooOOOOm scenario first. Get's EXCEPTIONALLY annoying if you're editing an arc.
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I've had bios that were around 1100 or less that I've also spent plenty of time rewording and paraphrasing to get under the 1024 limit. Personally I wouldn't mind if they allowed a little more room, but certainly not open it wide open.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I could've used say 100 or 200 characters more than the current 1023. I've probably wasted several hours total in the last 6 years re-writing many bios that started out being around 1200 characters to squeeze down into 1023.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
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Yeah I would really like to see like maybe 2000 increase and what not. So I hope they are gonna increase it Id like to see it.
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I definitely think there should be more space.
Definitely not infinite space.
I too agree that double would be good.
I would like to post a suggestion/idea for the Devs on this. The one thing i wouldn't mind seeing and any Role players can back me up on this is the re increase of the bios instead of having only 1034 letters aloud that's like maybe 2 and a half paragraphs or so. Maybe if you don't mind for those that are Role Players and those who would like to have a great bio for some of there best toons to increase the bio space to maybe 9999 or maybe infinity cuz every hero also has a bio behind them and im not just saying it for me. I'd would like to see that for all players Pvpers,RPs, and the PvErs as well. So can a dev respond to the this post thank you.
~Inferno Fusion~