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I'd much rather they expanded the existing bio space and fixed the bio bug than add a LINK feature. I often see people add links on their own, for example "Blah, blah, here's my bio, blah. For more information on this character, visit www.somekindawebsite.blah" I never visit those links, because: 1. I don't want to jump through hoops just to read a bio, 2. I don't want to be rickrolled.|
Originally Posted by Sailboat
So if we KEPT the short bio space but had a LINK to more pages that people could fill out, but you'd only see them by drilling down another level deliberately, that wouldn't bother me too much.
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I understand that you don't like long bios, but there's a simple solution for you: don't read them. You can tell how long someone's bio is just at a glance. "Hey look, that bio takes up a whole page! Maybe, since I value brevity, I won't bother reading it!" Instead, you're saying "Short bios are better, so longer bios SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED." That's pretty draconian, and shows a remarkable lack of tolerance for writing styles different from your own.
I prefer a degree of brevity for most of my characters, but sometimes a bio just needs to be a little longer than the current limits of the bio space. I can understand if you argue that the standard code rant applies, but don't let your grammatical and composition preferences limit player options.
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And, why not? No one seems to be able to offer a reason against this other than "Long bios suck"
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
but certainly not open it wide open.
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The point of my link suggestion is not to disallow long bios, but specifically to "ghettoize" them -- to keep the long ones out of the prime real estate. If you don't want to bother to click the link yourself, don't argue for long bios -- if a click deters you, a wall of text will, too.
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well id would like to have a red name comment on this like cant that do it in the up coming issue or something? Aka i17 which would be a great choice to add a bit more bio especially those who want to write a Praetorian bio
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I have had to re-work bios as well to have them fit into the confines of the current limitations. Another 200 characters would be ideal as It is always just a few characters that I am needing.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I understand that theory of writing, but I'd rather try to achieve that on my own rather than being -forced- to write that way based on an arbitrary GUI limitation.
 That being said I don't think the bio space needs to be expanded by huge amounts. I don't want to read novels here either but it's amazing how often I could've used say 100 or 200 characters more than the current 1023. I've probably wasted several hours total in the last 6 years re-writing many bios that started out being around 1200 characters to squeeze down into 1023. Regardless I'm not going to assume this is ever going to change. This has been suggested for years and nothing's happened one way or the other. At least this game's better than Champions Online - it only allows 500 characters for bios. *shrugs* |
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I'm sorry, but just because you don't like long bios doesn't mean you get to "ghettoize" them. That's pretty condescending and unnecessary. Prime real estate? Give me a break--there isn't a shortage of land in this game. And no, a wall of text won't deter me, it would deter YOU. But instead of dealing with it by not looking at it, you think the best way to deal with it is to erradicate it. That's sad. If people want to make longer bios, they should be able to. Your desire to "ghettoize" it is small minded and ridiculous.|
Originally Posted by Sailboat
The point of my link suggestion is not to disallow long bios, but specifically to "ghettoize" them -- to keep the long ones out of the prime real estate. If you don't want to bother to click the link yourself, don't argue for long bios -- if a click deters you, a wall of text will, too.
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Honestly, if you think longer bio space should be prohibited because you aren't willing to even LOOK AT IT, then you have issues.
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In my experience, going back before MMOs when "roleplaying game" more often meant gaming with pencil, paper, and dice than it did gaming with PCs, "long bio spaces" were expected, often extending to a whole page or more plus pictures.|
Originally Posted by Ravenswing
In my experience, going back to well before CoH existed, long bio spaces are a terrible idea.
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| The bio we have is long enough for a good physical description. |
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Originally Posted by Clebstein
And, why not? No one seems to be able to offer a reason against this other than "Long bios suck"
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Well. Beyond personal opinion and thinking opening it wide open would create many "tl;dr" bio's out there, nothing really.
And... no one seems to offer a solid reason to open up bio's wide open, other then creating long winded tripe.
BTW, that last comment wasn't all that serious, so don't take it so. I'm just giving "y'all" a bad time.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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The same as the reasoning behind any *other* increase in customisation. |
Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
And... no one seems to offer a solid reason to open up bio's wide open
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Anyone who is against longer bios is therefore also against more costume pieces, customizable powers, etc. They would have us running around as identical silhouettes, probably attacking with some old used cereal packets.
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Originally Posted by Inferno_Fusion
well id would like to have a red name comment on this like cant that do it in the up coming issue or something? Aka i17 which would be a great choice to add a bit more bio especially those who want to write a Praetorian bio
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Between this and your 23 minute bumps, you clearly have no idea of the timescale this game works on.
Issue 17 is already mostly in the can. If the Devs decide to implement your suggestion, you might expect to see it in Issue 18. Issue 20 would probably be more realistic.
Yes, I know, it's just "one little thing." The game is made up of hundreds of little things, all connected in ways that most of us cannot understand. Changing one is not undertaken lightly.
And my personal opinion? If I want your whole history, I'll go read it on Virtueverse. Give me the above-the-splash-page boilerplate blurb. "Tony Stark, blah blah, invincible IRON MAN!"
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I'm not sure if you missed the "humor" in my last post, but I'll restate my position.
I'm fine with more bio space as I typically run out of room as I'm trying to finish a bio here and there.
I think opening it up fully would create long messy bio's from most folks (not all) and create a huge amount of "tl;dr" bio's. There are lots of individuals who are very good at writing bio's, and most who aren't as good as they think they are. (I cross my fingers every time I write a longer one hoping people will find it at least entertaining or amusing.)
Remember, the average writer is average at best. Which means ~50% are better and ~50% are worse.
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Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Mass bumping, request for personal redname address, and standard code rant. This thread just went solid gold.
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Mass bumping, request for personal redname address, and standard code rant. This thread just went solid gold.
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lol >.<
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Originally Posted by Solicio
But no one mentioned Hitler yet and...CRAP!!! Nevermind.
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Sometimes I could use more bio space... Especially for GR when my characters will become more... complex!
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my point exactly lol
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
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Sometimes I could use more bio space... Especially for GR when my characters will become more... complex! |
The short form forces a condensation which IMHO greatly helps people stay on-message and not wander through an expository wasteland.
A short form actually favors writing skill, while at the same time limiting the damage poor writing can do.
Also, it's a comic-book game -- comic-books are the ultimate short, easy-to-digest, direct medium. If it was War and Peace, the MMO, I'd back a much longer bio space in a heartbeat.
BUT, that said,
I don't think there's anything wrong with more bio space if there were some means of keeping the short bio space more accessible and relevant. So if we KEPT the short bio space but had a LINK to more pages that people could fill out, but you'd only see them by drilling down another level deliberately, that wouldn't bother me too much.
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