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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge View Post
Christ, it reminds me of my little brothers crying to mom.
Permit me to point out that this thread, and several others like it, were started by exploiters "crying" about the change, not by team players crying about exploit farms making teaming impossible.


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Originally Posted by Sailboat View Post
Permit me to point out that this thread, and several others like it, were started by exploiters "crying" about the change, not by team players crying about exploit farms making teaming impossible.
Understand. My heart bleeds for the exploiters.

Its kinda like getting free cable, and when the cable company corrects it, people ******** that they dont get free cable anymore(You know they do!). If peeps can do it more than once, they feel entitled to it, as if its the norm, and how it should always be. Well, its not.

Saying its wrong, and are glad it was fixed because its wrong and an exploit is fine, even commendable. Complaining that you couldn't get a team is just whinging. I just created a chat channel "Non PLing Teams" My gift to the world. Its better than a Hot Lunch!


 

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People are talking like this is binary: "there is PL" or "there is no PL."

I think the term for that is a "false dichotomy".
It's a float: "10% of people are farming" vs "80% of people are farming" .

The better the farm, the more people will do it: meows and bubbles got big enough fast enough that you could say "Everyone was doing it" and be pretty close to right. This sploit was on the lower end of appalling- I did see someone redside get pulled into a henchman farm on their first or second day in game and get spat out twelve levels later. I warned them it would happen and offered to help them play in the real [sic] world if they wanted. That's all I could do, really.


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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire View Post
The same way exploits screwed over the game for everyone who doesn't want to use them before; near-impossible to form non-farming teams, high-level zones are filled with clueless powerlevelled newbies that have no idea how to use their powers, nobody playing non-50 content, etc.
Don't you love when people think that what they do doesn't affect anyone else in an MMO?




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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
People are talking like this is binary: "there is PL" or "there is no PL."

I think the term for that is a "false dichotomy".
It's a float: "10% of people are farming" vs "80% of people are farming" .

The better the farm, the more people will do it: meows and bubbles got big enough fast enough that you could say "Everyone was doing it" and be pretty close to right. This sploit was on the lower end of appalling- I did see someone redside get pulled into a henchman farm on their first or second day in game and get spat out twelve levels later. I warned them it would happen and offered to help them play in the real [sic] world if they wanted. That's all I could do, really.
I'm afraid, but compelled to ask: What does Meow mean anyway? Seen it tossed round a bit. Missed that time period of COX.


 

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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge View Post
I'm afraid, but compelled to ask: What does Meow mean anyway? Seen it tossed round a bit. Missed that time period of COX.
Kind of a random codeword for the uber-PL exploit farms from the early days of AE. It's linked somehow to the first big exploit farm mission that was created, though the details escape me at the moment. It was a mito farm, as I recall. I -think- the mission name, details, etc all only said one word in each field: "meow".




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I'm afraid, but compelled to ask: What does Meow mean anyway? Seen it tossed round a bit. Missed that time period of COX.
Level 54 Comm Officers from the Rikti Mothership raids. They gave extra XP over normal Rikti and have crappy weapons since they are portal openers. But the Portal Summon is interruptible so any AOE would render them pretty much harmless. I remember an all Rikti Lieut exploit as well, using the same double XP Mothership Rikti too.

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Kind of a random codeword for the uber-PL exploit farms from the early days of AE. It's linked somehow to the first big exploit farm mission that was created, though the details escape me at the moment. It was a mito farm, as I recall. I -think- the mission name, details, etc all only said one word in each field: "meow".
I thought the Mitos were "Bubble farms"?


 

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I thought the Mitos were "Bubble farms"?
Different name, same thing. I think "Bubble farm" was just more specific. "Meow" refers to the uber farms in general.




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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire View Post
The same way exploits screwed over the game for everyone who doesn't want to use them before; near-impossible to form non-farming teams
Perhaps there *MIGHT* be some *SLIGHT* truth to that on the lesser population servers. On Freedom, though? Uh-uh. Tons of teaming going on (especially if you accept blind invites), be it sewer, radio, badge hunting, giant monster teams, or just standard missions. Plus, of course, AE farming, though most of that disappears once you leave Atlas/Cap, as does the spam from people begging to be power leveled.

Really, if you can't find normal teams, it's your own damn fault (especially if you're aware of the existance of global chat channels).


 

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
I guarantee the timing was NOT coincidence.

I used those damnmissions to get some characters past the really early content, since after the hundredth time, Kalinda's missions get REALLY stale. And Burke's aren't much better.

I don't think I've done the initial contact blueside in over a year anyway, so that was no big deal.

There are other missions that will get you past the first 20 levels in about an hour. Easy enough to find them as well. I would say more but there are people that resent anyone having access to such things.


 

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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa View Post

Some people do like the ding fest.

Others are of the "Must Reach Level Cap Now To Start Gameplay" mindset.

Either way, I seriously doubt either (or both) for a majority here.

I well remember the comm officer fever. I saw people I hadn't seen in forever playing the game and usage was at multiples of normal.

You may well be correct when you apply "here" to your statement, but that is only because what is here is what's left.

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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire View Post
The same way exploits screwed over the game for everyone who doesn't want to use them before; near-impossible to form non-farming teams, high-level zones are filled with clueless powerlevelled newbies that have no idea how to use their powers, nobody playing non-50 content, etc.
If so many people were using and enjoying the fast leveling that this gentleman couldn't find teams its pretty substantial evidence that a majority were enjoying it. Now you can go into the wisdom of removing features that your customers like and use, but cost you nothing but that is a different discussion.


 

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Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
Don't you love when people think that what they do doesn't affect anyone else in an MMO?
No not really... it's only affects you if you let it!

People play this game for many differnent reasons, and it is what it is, and if things are changed because of certain things people do, the choice is simple you either deal with it or find another game to play or complain about it on this foum, forgot about that


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No not really... it's only affects you if you let it!
Oh, right, it's MY fault those 3 clueless level 50 n00bs who PLed their way to 50 using exploits ruined my TF.... Gotcha...




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Oh, right, it's MY fault those 3 clueless level 50 n00bs who PLed their way to 50 using exploits ruined my TF.... Gotcha...
Yep, filter better. This is no different from any other MMO. Just because someone is max level does not mean they're knowledgeable about the game or their class/AT. Especially in this day of 'solo to level cap' gameplay, that clueless 50 doesn't have to be an AE Baby. They could very well be a casual type who leveled to 50 over the last four to five years and just doesn't know what "common knowledge" at their level might be (though it's more likely to be an AE Baby, admittedly).

Then again, I'm an old vet from the EQ era where people at max level knew their (stuff) and heck, even being present in some zones suggested you knew more than Joe Casual (had to raid to get there and had to be competent to get into a guild good enough to do those raids).

But seriously, who doesn't at least check the badges on potential groupmates. That's no guarantee either but it's a lot easier to see an AE Baby coming by doing so. That "everything you do in an MMO affects everyone else" line of thinking is a slippery slope. When exactly does it end? Does my selling a ceramic armor to a QM/NPC hurt the populace by depriving the market of supply? Is my soloing depriving the populace of people available to team? Exploits are bad, no one's arguing that. But not everything is an obvious exploit. Demon missions on a fire tanker or brute, exploit or smart gameplay? I am SO banned if that's a 'sploit.


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Oh, right, it's MY fault those 3 clueless level 50 n00bs who PLed their way to 50 using exploits ruined my TF.... Gotcha...
Life is like a pug tf...

I've had more "Vets" remind me why I solo, than nubs.


 

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Yep, filter better. This is no different from any other MMO. Just because someone is max level does not mean they're knowledgeable about the game or their class/AT.
...and I'm supposed to know how well they play their character before I've ever seen them play? Golly, I didn't know psychic powers were a requirement for playing this game!




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Oh, right, it's MY fault those 3 clueless level 50 n00bs who PLed their way to 50 using exploits ruined my TF.... Gotcha...

The way I play is FOR ME. Not anyone else. If you're letting stuff other folks do in this game affect you......then perhaps you need to take a step back, smell the fresh air and do some outdoor things.

It's a game. Get over it.


 

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All the good sploiters found better things than the henchmen farm weeks ago.....


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Originally Posted by Carnifax View Post
Level 54 Comm Officers from the Rikti Mothership raids. They gave extra XP over normal Rikti and have crappy weapons since they are portal openers. But the Portal Summon is interruptible so any AOE would render them pretty much harmless. I remember an all Rikti Lieut exploit as well, using the same double XP Mothership Rikti too.
Actually, it wasn't the fact that the portals were interruptible (although maybe the mothership versions lack this) so much as Comm officers of the same spawn only summon one portal between them. So people would have pathetic, minion-classed NPCs in huge groups with no real attacks. If the portal was summoned, it goes down easy.

Even after the Mothership Raid versions of the Rikti were removed, regular comm officers were used to do the same thing, as to make up for no XP on the portals, comm officers give Lt. XP.


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If so many people were using and enjoying the fast leveling that this gentleman couldn't find teams its pretty substantial evidence that a majority were enjoying it. Now you can go into the wisdom of removing features that your customers like and use, but cost you nothing but that is a different discussion.
I know plenty of people that are deathly afraid to start their own teams, and joined those do to "lack of other teams". And they hated it.

I was always able to find a team, make one if need be, during that mess. And not just because of RO, but because if there isn't a team and I really want to team, I'll put one together.


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All the good sploiters found better things than the henchmen farm weeks ago.....
And they'll continue to insist it's not an exploit and their $15 entitles them to do absolutely ANYTHING they want long after it gets changed.


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Or the smart ones just find another way to be effecient and stop crying. Most of the folks I see crying are the ones saying "they're making the devs nerf all this stuff and it's affecting everything I do in the game!"


 

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Oh, right, it's MY fault those 3 clueless level 50 n00bs who PLed their way to 50 using exploits ruined my TF.... Gotcha...

Ok let's use your logic, Do you have any proof that those 3 clueless n00bs used exploits? Maybe they paid to get pled by people that use non exploit farm missions Let's not forget the otherside fo the coin, those people that you get that think they know everything! They think they are never wrong, like they are experts on everything having to do with this game, these people are just as annoying on a tf or whatever mish!


The truth is, you have a choice as to who you play with, if the noob index is to high you can always quit the team... when you join a random team you get what you get... To avoid this, form your own team or join an sg and play with them, play with friends if you are low on friends join virtue and I'm sure you can find people to role play being your friend, then play with them...

for the record there are plenty of people that have level 50 toons that have never gotten pled and still have no clue how to play their toon.
it's just something you have to deal with when you play any mmo


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
And they'll continue to insist it's not an exploit and their $15 entitles them to do absolutely ANYTHING they want long after it gets changed.
Very true and like with any exploit in this game people will use it and it will get poular and the devs will take out the nerf bat and wack it
that's just how it is


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Originally Posted by RemianenI View Post
Yep, filter better. This is no different from any other MMO. Just because someone is max level does not mean they're knowledgeable about the game or their class/AT. Especially in this day of 'solo to level cap' gameplay, that clueless 50 doesn't have to be an AE Baby. They could very well be a casual type who leveled to 50 over the last four to five years and just doesn't know what "common knowledge" at their level might be (though it's more likely to be an AE Baby, admittedly).

Then again, I'm an old vet from the EQ era where people at max level knew their (stuff) and heck, even being present in some zones suggested you knew more than Joe Casual (had to raid to get there and had to be competent to get into a guild good enough to do those raids).

But seriously, who doesn't at least check the badges on potential groupmates. That's no guarantee either but it's a lot easier to see an AE Baby coming by doing so. That "everything you do in an MMO affects everyone else" line of thinking is a slippery slope. When exactly does it end? Does my selling a ceramic armor to a QM/NPC hurt the populace by depriving the market of supply? Is my soloing depriving the populace of people available to team? Exploits are bad, no one's arguing that. But not everything is an obvious exploit. Demon missions on a fire tanker or brute, exploit or smart gameplay? I am SO banned if that's a 'sploit.

/signed


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