Good Build for Sirens Call?

You keep shouting at team-mates to stay near you / you teleport team-mates near you. This causes team-mates to stay near you.

Numbers = safety. Sorry if I implied it had anything to do with your traps.

Killing Virtue Heroes is not hard. People even manage it on BRUTES. The only people that I worry about in zones heroside are Vinnie & The Koreans.

That said I never saw you kill anyone. Your web grenade is useful, but I'd take a brute with taunt & webnade over you any day.

Incorrect. Virtue RV Heroside is full of melee fightclubbers who take tough instead of phase shift, blasters who die more than they kill, and controllers/defenders with 1000HP that either get farmed or base-sit.

People here don't need excuses. People tried playing traps in CoH a long time before you did, and they realized they suck a long time ago. You're the one making ridiculous claims, so you're the one that should prove it. Kind of like Columbus. He didn't ask all of Europe to prove to him that the Earth was flat, because HE was the one making the crazy claim that it's round. So he ended up proving his point.

So please, for everybody's sake, be Columbus. Come to Freedom, and "teach" all of us how amazing traps are in PvP. I know you totally failed at that last time you were on Freedom (hence the existence of this thread), but maybe the 2nd time will work better.

Oh sorry, you misunderstood. When I said understanding how to use LoS can prevent ranged spiking... I meant being smart enough to position yourself where you can't be spiked from 130ft away.... that way you don't have to worry about breaking LoS after 4-5 attacks have already been spammed. Sorry I wasn't clear. Hopefully though, you now know what people learn after they learn the info you just presented.

I think you should read or reread some of my earlier posts in this thread. You may find some insightful info on how to use TP and TP Foe in the new sysytem. /EM Blaster range is admirable... TP range is better though... so when my teleport can bounce me out 550ft and back placating all in a matter of seconds, and my TP Foe is 330ft... I'm not seeing how I'd have to fear attack chains that will never reach me. Isolate, pull, trap.

Blasters are something to fear for a bout 10 secs at a time, if you're smart. Some time ago they envied and adopted a stalker way of life... focusing on In-and-Out kills, Stealthy KS attacks, and a "If it ain't dead after 10 secs Run!!!" mentality. problem is that most are terrible at stalking, so getting the jump on a blaster hiding on a building waiting for a cheap kill is no hard task. Hell I TP blasters 300ft in the air and web them just to watch them Hib. so I can put mines under them.

So back to my question... when a measly 130ft range attack won't do the job... tell me how would you catch a TPing/Hovering Corr that is likely to web you first.? It's ok if you don't want to answer... cause there really no way for a SS/SJer to do so.

Why run and Hib, when you could just TP away?... Silly question I forget because running is optimal as long as you get Hib/Phase for when it isn't right, lol.

I choose traps because it has everything needed to kill everything out there. The only hard part is finding out a way for them to die, which depends very often not a build, but the person behind it. So Traps offers more of a challege to me, and it has proven to be a very fun set and break from the norm. Again. TP Foe ganking does work still. moreso with traps than any other set, but I'm sure you're far from beliveing that so I won't bother explaining.

I was never farmed. Please don't beleive that just cause some fool says it. My trapper spends over half it's time out of sight and out of mind... It's the reason I call BS. I wouldn't be around long enough to be killed repeatedly. Getting Ganked, Spiked, and Farmed are not the same thing...

I wouldn't hover above to be farmed either cause my traps don't float silly.


If you ever had aspirations to be a master of KSing, I'd reccomend a TPing Corr. While webbed opponents are SSpeeding there way to safety leaving a nice trail along the way... and my teammates are SS/SJing to catch them... I'm already 100ft in front of the opponent with a snipe queing to get the kill... or Cosmic burst to give the kill to someone who may want it more than me... TP gets you from point A to B fatser than any travel power in the game hands down, lol. It's just that you know... ya have to be just a lil bit better than most I think to be as good with it... which is likely the real reason peeps don't want to mess with it. When you are good at Combat TPing though... You're always a step ahead literally. There is no evading, only base sitting.
Range bonuses are nifty too btw.

In the end I trap people on my Traps toon... whether you choose to ignore valuble info that's based on 2 years of successful experience with the set is up to you. If you choose to avoid a challenging set I understand. If you choose to stick to the Cookie Book that says the set doesn't work so roll a standard FoTM toon I won't be suprised or dissapointed. I make no mentions of Traps being the best set out there... I make claims of Traps being a viable set in PvP when played right. I offered explanations and examples of how to do so... and I stated acheivements of success with examples like killing mutiple peeps at a time, saving lives, benefiting teams, and I even posted my build (A first, in my 5+ years of playing this game.) I offered the suggestion that a Traps/ defender would be a good pick for an SC toon, and reasons and explanations to back it up. Nothing has been countered, yet still no one will say Traps can work either. Go figure.

If your gonna jump on the "Don't beleive Dahjee just because he goes against the grain" bandwagon, at least read up on what I've posted.

Yeah... it's so often that you can turn to a brute when the **** hits the fan and 4 heroes are after you and just know they won't follow you to the taunting brute right?

FYI I've killed many Freedom, Justice, and Champion heroes too!


When you generalize by server like that you come across as a fool X. I'm not sure if people here on the forums are aware of this or not.

I make no ridiculous claims. I'm talking about stuff I've done. I'm stating that something is viable, and YOU and others are the ones trying to convince me that I'm throwed off in the head with only illusions of what I've done in PvP. Telling lies IMO was just foul, but you be you and thats fine by me. I have nothing to prove. I do however wish to share with others ways of enjoying the success of PvP that aren't always the same as everyone else. It's ok to be afraid to come to Virtue though, I hear they got RPers there... freaky.

I would rather turn to a brute than a /traps corr for disruption. Mainly because a brute is better at getting attention & surviving said attention. Neither would be good vs 4 heroes gunning for me because of PVP 2.0. If I had 4 heroes gunning for me I'd want something that can HEAL ME.

You're basically a bad version of a drone.

I'm a fool because I generalise? I don't understand. Did I say something incorrect?

This is funny, because you were doing the exact same thing earlier in this thread. Keep piling up the hypocrisy please, it makes you look good. Regardless of where this discussion has been and is going, it's laughable at best because it's on the topic of zone PvP, which has been downright terrible since I13.

EDIT: Just zoned into Virtue RV for the second time today. Total of 4 heroes on /search: 3 Scrappers and a Tanker. Further investigation revealed they were standing under the statue of Atlas, fiteklubbing a Stalker. Wait, a Blaster just zoned in, but now all the Scrappers are going to go fiteklub in the arena. Rofl.

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Your entire post... from using TP as a 300 yard placate (What brain did people are you fighting that simply can't re target you while you hover... completely stationary in the air)

To suggesting that you actually KS people by TP'ing ahead of the target to drop into a rad snipe on a corrupter? When does this work? One in 500 attempts?

To this I know zones aren't exactly the pinnacle of common sense, but lets look at what you said. You web a blaster and they fall and go into hibe. You then land beside them.... drop out of hover. Spend 5 seconds (The cast time for a single mine, 4 of which where the set up can be interrupted) to drop one mine and they sit there and let you do it... but wait.. you clearly stated "Mines" as in plural. So on top of the crazy 5 second cast, you also need to wait for the power to recharge (base 20 seconds, which doesn't even start until you get through the first casting)

Surely there are no ridiculous claims here. None at all.

Not ridiculous at all. I don't think you're trying hard enough, but ok. Don't be afraid to learn MrLiberty.

I didn't come here to make you angry.

I said teleport as a placate... 550ft. and yes while it's quite easy to retarget someone after a here and back TP, it's not easy at all to do so before they've already targeted you and dropped you to the ground... or when their return spot is breaking LoS with you allowing them to both target you first and reapeatedly get the jump on you. This may not make sense probably to many who aren't used to fighting a target higher than they can jump. Hovering stationary for long periods of time is dumb, you keep moving just as you do when hopping around on the ground... you just do it better with less restrictions, farther, quicker and more precisely. Don't hate me for saying it guys... try it, it's just a power. You'll like it if you try it, lol.

Works often enough if I choose... snipe was an example. The point was that the combination of scouge and teleport makes for some well timed Kills and/or kill steals because you can usually get the jump on others trying to get the kill, and also because one's perception while hovering above the fight teaches one to get awfully good at retreat patterns allowing one to teleport where needed when needed to catch the runner by surprise. Just try and get back to me... you'll like it if you try it, lol.


I'm sorry but again I feel as though you're not trying hard enough. I'm assuming that this this last snip was a question too.

My Trip Mines recharge in about 7 secs. Hibernate lasts long enough for me to put at least 3 mines down if my target sits there. You are right though... often when I appear laying traps at the base of a hibernator, they freak out and leave Hib prematurely... which is why instead of trying to lay 4 mines down, I start with caltrops and PGT and then a mine or two. Web grenade and TP foe readied for when they leave... angle the TP foe recticle(which is also boosted by range bonuses) to a degree that pus the panic'ed hibernator SSing through the other traps I've laid at the spot... blah blah blah. too scared to try it blah nevermind.

Hibernate kills are competitive though... often I lose out to a stalker or another toon, but I've witnessed many times where the kill wouldn't of been possible for anyone unless I did the things descibed above.

PRE-EDIT: BTW to others who have been reduced to a focus on servers and my kill/death ratio creditability... it has nothing to do with the viabilty of traps in PvP, so it's makes no sense to hide behind such arguements to avoid giving me my props for teaching you and others **** you didn't know. Try it. If you try it you'll like it, lol.

And sadly, we also have no cure for schizophrenia, however, they do have medications and other treatments for it. Unfortunetly, Dah has refused them all.

Way to try and save face by acting like you're telling us an amazing new strategy. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be racking up the kills without having to hope the target we're fighting is an idiot.

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This. 100% this. Dahjee is too used to fighting bad players.

Smart players are just as easy to trap Mac... cause they do the smart things that every smart player is told by some other smart player to do. They cookie cut and hib and run and kite etc... It makes no difference so you can drop that argument too. It's about predictabilty... the non-idiots you seem to think my toon can't kill are often the easiest targets, cause they PvP based a copy-pasted tactical handbook. You know this I'm sure... you helped write it. It's why I think you and many others would enjoy a break from the norm...

I'm sorry but you are very wrong there....

It not only lacks quality but quantity. If I could go around and get just shy of about 50 rep on a farm build with no escape, no self heal, no SJ or anything like that in about a half an hour of messing around? There is something wrong.

If I ever tried to do something like that on freedom I'd be a farm target.

I also looked for hovering tping trap corrupters but sadly I had to settle for some poor Bots/traps MM. Melt Armor/Shield Charge/Footstomp/Fireball wrecks though!

So saying something "Works on Virtue" doesn't exactly hold water if you can end up with like a 14/2 Kill/Death ratio on a farm build.

Um ok people can we stop pretending that free server transfers and the current Freedom PvP has been around for as long as we've been PvPing, lol.

It's not about good or bad players really Xanatos. I know it can seem that way, but it's about a PvPer's natural motive and goal: to defeat others in PvP. All players want to do that right? Good players and Bad players want to defeat their opponenents right? oR Is that the crAzy talking?

What I've learned from playing traps is that if you can trick a player(s) into thinking they can kill you... you can pull them (yes, like an npc) into just about any situation... most often the case being your nest full of traps... (which, like actual traps shouldn't be obvious ok.) Good players will do so because they're "good" and will usually think they have control of the situation. They'll keep it interesting cause they rarely fall for the same trap more than twice... at this point one either improves and finds new pulls and traps based on the behaviors of their opponents or not. Bad players will do so because they've never seen a loltraps corr and get an awareness lesson in return. They will keep you interested in PvP because they reveal the n0ob in some of the best builds... at this point one either realizes that PvP IOs drop more when you kill multple opponents at the same time or not... hahaha.

Good players require good tricks, good pulls, and a solid awareness of what your opponents are cabale of and willing to do... Bad Players allow you to have a very fun time PvPing and getting kills, and offer a time to practice on basic trapping skills in an open zone.

The key for traps is simply knowing what will make the other player(s) bite. All players do.

Oh and I'm not moving my toons to Freedom, but I'd be happy to roll a Traps/ defender there with anyone here who wishes to find out how right I am together!

Someone's yeller.

Probably more the "I don't have anything to prove VS being scared" mentality and lol@being scared in a video game. Been reading the thread on and off and cyber bullying ftw for the most part; with all the ppl on here putting him down, I gotta say I like Dah's style b/c he isn't taking it personal even with all the opposing baddo talk.

I remember seeing him in Freedom RV a long time ago and the guy has a decent enuff toon considering its /Traps of all secondaries and the role it plays. To join the others though, most could probably do decent on that build if theyre fighting with all traps set up & bunkered down in the train station ambushing players 1v1. I had a PB at the time and would Dwarf into the traps to set em off, heal and then Nova from 170ft away. He lasted awhile though...

Pfft, that was like 415 HP ago, lol j/k GF

If someone is killed by a traps corruptor then they are not good. I think in your mind you think anyone who plays a FOTM character & follows atypical forum tactics is automatically "good". Sadly this is far from the truth. A good player would either ignore a traps player completely or kite them from range.

Actually, as I mentioned earlier in my posts, travel suppression can be manipulated by using certain powers... Makes little difference except in the case of teleport, becasue when you use these certain powers (Invisibility is one of them) Your suppression will end and/or last a fraction of it's regular time. This allows for someone of just decent skill to even TP while being DoT'ed. It's handy for getting out of Toggles like Snowstorm and Rad debuffs too...

In a land full of SS/SJer's, I don't have much fear of numbers... they can all only jump so high. It's funny sometimes.