Good Build for Sirens Call?

With the bounty system the way it is in SC, I had a blast with a /Traps toon. I barely had to move... the zone just kept sending folks my way to die. It was funny.

I'm actually suprised more peeps haven't rolled /Traps defenders for PvP.

Because Defender Dmg is for the most part lol. That combined with a primary that almost adds nothing to help you in PvP, it makes for a pretty awful toon.

Last time I saw someone not just be completely awful on a traps toon was back in i12 I think with irl. And he still wasn't going around taking the zone apart, more or less just not dying a whole lot.

I didn't know defenders had /Traps in I12.

A well built /Traps toon is more than viable in PvP.... especially in SC. I just haven't rolled a defender version, but knowing that the debuffs from one would be stronger than my Corr is enough to let me know a /Traps defender could cause a lot of hurt for a team of villians. (Main reason I mentioned defender version was for the obvious stalker protection it would provide in SC)

Also defenders are support... who rolls a defender for damage? Nevermind silly question.

Well since you can't read and assumed I said Traps/ Defender and not traps toon, I can see where the problem started. Irl used a traps corr. I didn't say anything about a defender, nice job.

I've only seen traps viable in team pvp and the arena. You can't force someone to stay in your traps zone in zone pvp, even with tpfoe. The removal of -maxrunspeed hurts trops and if you can get someone to stay next to poison gas trap or seeker drones or trip mines after the no phase second ends after a tp, then hats off to you for fighting an idiot.

And lol stalker protection from traps, there are more drive by thunderstrikes and impale spamming than AS's going off.

Bottom line is Im not going to stand in your bad traps field, if Im on any toon Ill kite it if you wont move. Or just use the range provided in almost every toon to almost completely negate it.

Oh and I rolled defenders to do damage. When combined with debuffs to the opponent, they used to be able to do solid damage, atleast for a non damage primary class.

And just to be a bigger *** hole, defenders never had nor will ever have /Traps. GG

yeah because Rad/Psy,Rad/Sonic, Cold/Sonic, Kin/Psy, Storm/Sonic, Storm/Psy have always been just horrible......................whut???

oh and for the OP, why only SC, not that I like zone PvP other than for when there is nothing else going on, just wondering why only for SC??

Don't be afriad to learn _Lith_

I didn't come to make you angry.

The purpose of the Traps set is to trap people... not to get kills, but to get others to kill themselves. For that reason, standing in the open where some can kite you would be a silly idea when solo. (standing in the open at half heath long enough for someone to see you before hopping back to your "nest" of traps that isn't in the open is less silly believe it or not) It isn't true that you can't force people into your traps. If you take away certain options, you leave your opponent no choice.

Here's an example. You lay a row (not a stack) of 5 trip mines between a building and an elevated curb. Place posion mines at the start of the row. Go out an aggro somebody, just enough to let them know you're easy money. Web them and retreat, and tp them at the start of the row before the posion mines. The regen stops, only way to go is down a row of hopefully well-slotted trip mines (-res proc and dmg procs are beastly with them). By the time the bombs go off the vomitting starts, seekers hit, another set of seekers stacks, acid has kicked in... all while you've been attacking freely since tping them.

If you were to replace that location with another there are 100 others just like that in any given zone. All thats needed is an area with limited access to/from once webbed. The smaller the better, the larger the funnier. Besides that its just about surviving the pull.

Caltrops aren't need for slows... they're needed to keep people from SS stealthing your mines. Theres a special emote called /LOL that people can do while standing on your mines with SS/stealth if you don't have caltrops on them at some point. Making sure they're webbed before getting to you helps as much though.

Most stalkers won't stay around to finish a job solo once webbed and hit with acid trap's longish DoT. In SC without sharks and AS as viable options against opponents with usually better than average regen and defense, I don't see them being impaled to death... just saying Traps/ is not a bad bet.

The funny thing is no one really has to stand in a traps field. The smartest and dumbest players alike all try to kill the squishies... Hell people act like npcs more than npcs do some time. "Uh He went under that bridge so I can't kite him now... what do I do?? I know I'll go under the bridge to get him cause his attack were like lol and I took half his heath... ah ****!" Tp Bombing is still a tatctic of course but isn't required to get kills. I'd reccommend to learn to get kills without TP foe before trying to learn how to use it in the current system.

I guess the approach is far from the norm so less often seen as a reason.

That only works on those that for some reason think it's better to make one stack of all their traps. Please disregard them, they know no better.

Just make the lines touch people.

You'd catch me with a single mine maybe, but never standing on my own Posion traps or multiple mines.

This will work once, maybe twice. Once it becomes known what you are doing, it will only work against very bad players.

I actually have seen a Traps Def in Freedom Sirens Call lately. He's not a bad PvPer and his build is alright I guess, but I haven't died to him once on any of my villians. His damage is pretty LOL and the only thing he has that concerns me at all the the webnades, and only then because I know a Blaster will be breathing down my neck in a few seconds if I don't kill the fool.

I really just can't see anything that Traps could bring to a Defender that TA can't do better.

Which is why you will only get kills against very stupid people, or people that aren't paying attention.

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Not true... so far it's worked for me well over thousand times! Against good and bad builds, smart and dumb players, single and multiple opponents. Hell I've killed 4 -5 peeps at once before! (I admit the group of melee'ers couldn't of been that smart) Still I don't see many toons out there killing multiple people at one time. At best it's pew pew kill hib run pew pew run pew pew kill hib run pew pew pew run pew kill... It gets old and theres more out there capable of the same results... even for beginners.

TA offers many of the same debuffs as Traps but none of the buffs (mez resist and +regen) It's a disruption and a mobility set, while Traps is a... well trapping set and/or turtling set. Traps also offers more so than any other set for defenders and Corrs and MMs, the abilty to eat lunch and/or multi-task while actively engaging in PvP.

Actually Mac it requires that you be a tad smarter than even the best players to get kills. Better yet, you have to continue to learn in order to stay good with a Traps toon. Knowing for example how a player reacts when webbed or TP'ed or pulled into a tunnel transfers over to other toons they play... even if it's not necessary. Knowing which players, not toons... go for the easy kills and those that will try to get the jump on you from above etc... Just knowing how smart a player is helps to get kills. Placing mines on the best possible spot to gank me from for example ... works.

It doesn't take much to learn what it takes to get someone to try an kill you once. Getting someone to try and kill you often isn't much harder though, not with all the lol egos out there.

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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."

I did on purpose once. I was done for the night and some traps defender(Sizzler i think is the name) in Sirens was trying to get kills for a while so I figured ehh lets see if he can actually kill something. I decided to jump into his traps to see how long it took for him to kill me. I sat there and lunged him about 5 times before dying to a blaster and tank that came across us.

Yeah who is this traps defender u are talking about Dahjee? Cause I am in that zone quite a bit and have never seen one do well. The only one i seen really can only web nade than let thier team do the rest.

The same time people start avoiding you due to your trapping skills, is also around the time teammates start seeing what advatages they have by hanging near you and/or coming to you when being chased by opponenets. I took recall to make up for the fact that I don't always go "offense" while zoning with my teammates, I'd recall them when in the orange or red or after Hibernating etc... and it would help to pull people into my traps while saving them. I recently respecc'ed out of it to get a spider and some more HP... cause after a while teammates just kinda knew there was little need to hop skip and jump all over a zone. They'll come... they always come.


I speak no defender in particular... or better yet perhaps I speak of one I haven't rolled yet I suppose, since the idea of a good one seems crazy here. I was gonna wait to roll a CotM (Concept)Traps/DP defender later that I'm sure I could make work somehow... thinking something along the lines of seekers + chem ammo, -DMG specialist for teams or something.

Nah I'm speaking mostly on Traps in PvP in general. My text comes from PvP experiece with a /traps corr named Venenix for the last 2 years at home on Virtue although I vacationed on Freedum several times. (More noise than good PvP IMO) I've rolled a few Traps/ defenders... enough to notice better debuffs and key powers offered sooner than later... I just haven't leveled or specc'ed one out for PvP.

Hey. I'm just saying Traps is a more than viable set for SC. It doesn't play like all the others, but is very capable of getting killls when played right solo despite what many people believe, and as already agreed upon... capable of contributing to team PvP. It isn't easy to be great with, but it doesn't take a seasoned PvP'r to get good with.

If any of you seasoned PvPers get tired of the same ol' approach with every toon, or if any new PvPer wants to roll something without breaking out the cookie cutter and still have a blast in PvP... I highly reccomend a Traps toon. You can be successful, get kills, get laughed at, save lives, bruise egos, strike absolute fear in the minds of melee players, get smarter, and blow people up all at the same time.

A good excuse... if server transfers weren't free atm. Don't be afraid to learn _Lith_

... and don't let the smoove taste fool you.

Well I would but I can't exactly get on the game at the moment. Afghanistan has poor internet connections.

Sorry, I look forward to "learning" from you when I get back in about a year.

Also, loltraps. GG

All the good pvpers are transfering to virtue for traps lessons.

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