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Just to be clear - her regenerating that much health from hitting targets with Dark Regen (45s cooldown) wouldn't be surprising. In order for 2k-3k hp/sec to be showing up via Power Analyzer / Survailence, it would have to be passive regen, not a click (which is just visible once). |
Originally Posted by Peterbilt
Didn't have the analyzer power but we ran this the other day and we could barely touch GW and had to quit. We might have had too many scrappers and too much melee because, on top of her regen, she was healing 3,000 HP x2 whenever her power came up, which seemed like every 15 seconds or so.
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Also, the best way to slow down power activations is actually Kin - Siphon Speed's recharge debuff is unresistible.
God knows it's been forever, but I'm thinking she only (normally) has somewhere between 50 and 78k hp. We must run one of these asap, Sarrate.
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Elec tank in melee with GW? Even with one Cold, I don't think that's enough defense to allow a resistance based character get that close. Here's a thought: Bring two colds or a cold and a FF. Then let everyone in melee and see how much she heals off you.
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Ryxx, nice quote from Masque there. It made me laugh out loud when he said that in chat.
A resist tank could be fine up close against Ghost Widow, depending on if they built for a layer of defense. So it'll depend on the tank, of course, but you can be layering those cold shields on top of other defense. I think one layer of those defense buffs on Grey get him to (or close) to the defense cap to positions with his setup. I'm aiming for the same thing with my elec/elec Brute once GR hits.
On my last STF run, I used a a few defense inspirations when facing Ghost Widow to dodge her heal more, actually.
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Just to add, GW has twilight grasp and dark regeneration. So at worst she's going to have a 7.5% chance to hit someone in melee range with her with dark regen, adding more people to that mix will increase her odds of getting off her massive heal, and then adding someone without capped defenses will just further increase her chances. Even an elec tanker with 38.5% defense will double her chances of getting her heals off.
Edit: If the wiki is correct, she actually has 3 heals; Life Drain, Dark Regen and Twilight Grasp. Dark regen is just the most talked about because it has the most detrimental effect on fighting her.
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Masque- we ran one that seemed a bit harder but I cite 3 factors: the emp had never run it before, most of the team had not run the TF in a few months and Sir is a n00b (inside joke). Total time 1:15 or so.
In other news with 2 colds on the team (most recently run a month or two back) GW's heal is a joke and the AV seem to melt.
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Thanks Slax, still gathering infomation and planning on running a STF this weekend (what a TF on double xp?!?) Hopefully, I can find a wp/fire brute with the initals B.P. to come along and help sort out this mess. Ele, Ryxx, Coz you guys up for a run this weekend?
I still think there is a posibility that defender debuffs are working on the AVs while 'something' may be amiss with controller debuffs on them.
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Ryxx, nice quote from Masque there. It made me laugh out loud when he said that in chat.
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A resist tank could be fine up close against Ghost Widow, depending on if they built for a layer of defense. So it'll depend on the tank, of course, but you can be layering those cold shields on top of other defense. I think one layer of those defense buffs on Grey get him to (or close) to the defense cap to positions with his setup. I'm aiming for the same thing with my elec/elec Brute once GR hits. On my last STF run, I used a a few defense inspirations when facing Ghost Widow to dodge her heal more, actually. |
I 'think' there maybe some misconception also out there about what is softcap. My understanding (please correct me Des, Sarrate, and others) is that 45% gives soft cap NPCs however when you are fighting AVs I think you need a higher defense % then 45. I am just thinking back to advice Sarrate used to give me and I think he said he shoots for 60% or higher def when he is tanking the Patrons and LR. Either that or as usual he was trying to teach me and I was being a bad student and passing notes at the time.
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Thanks Slax, still gathering infomation and planning on running a STF this weekend (what a TF on double xp?!?) Hopefully, I can find a wp/fire [color=orange]brute
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Brute? Pfffffft! Going Rogue isn't here yet, silly!
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I 'think' there maybe some misconception also out there about what is softcap. My understanding (please correct me Des, Sarrate, and others) is that 45% gives soft cap NPCs however when you are fighting AVs I think you need a higher defense % then 45. I am just thinking back to advice Sarrate used to give me and I think he said he shoots for 60% or higher def when he is tanking the Patrons and LR. Either that or as usual he was trying to teach me and I was being a bad student and passing notes at the time.
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1) They are no higher than +5.
2) They don't have tohit buffs.
3) You aren't def debuffed.
There are no +6 enemies in the STF (or anywhere at lvl50, mob tables only go up to lvl55 iirc), so we don't have to worry about #1.
There are a few AVs with tohit buffs in the STF. Going from memory (I may forget some):
- Silver Mantis - Build Up (bugged AI, won't use it under heavy fire)
- Black Scorpion - Rage (bugged AI, won't use it under heavy fire)
- Mako - Followup (uses it freqently, but most Tanker sets won't be too scared of his mostly lethal damage)
- Lord Recluse - Blue Tower
Def debuffs are a lot more common. Again, from memory:
- Thorn Tree - Pretty much everything.
- Silver Mantis - Pretty much everything.
- Scirocco - His sword attacks, tornadoes.
- Mako - I'm pretty sure his Slash attack has a def debuff componenent, never checked for it specifically since I pretty much never tank him alone.
- Lord Recluse - His leg attacks.
So, I basically aim for 45% def and eat inspirations if I drop below that for the AVs. well, some aren't scary enough to warrant it, but I'm aware that I'm not softcapped and ready to eat purples if I need to. When fighting the herded AVs, you have to be really quick to react - it's really easy to be doing fine, then take a buttload of damage / get held by GW because you weren't paying attention. Then against Recluse I make sure my def is at 75% or higher. (Normally handled with a combination of buffs, lucks, and Magus.)
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And a last tidbit about the soft cap, when you're at the soft cap (45% with no underlying factors) an AV has a 7.5% chance to hit you unlike the regular 5% chance to hit against other mobs.
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And a last tidbit about the soft cap, when you're at the soft cap (45% with no underlying factors) an AV has a 7.5% chance to hit you unlike the regular 5% chance to hit against other mobs.
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It gets worse as the level gap increases:+0 AV - 7.5% floor
+1 AV - 8.25% floor
+2 AV - 9% floor
+3 AV - 9.75% floor
+4 AV - 10.5% floor
+5 AV - 11.25% floor
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Either Sunday midday/after/evening, or sometime during the week. Friday and Saturday I'm disappearing as usual.
Then of course, there's all of spring break for Ryxx and I, so we'll have plenty of time for more runs during the week.
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Absolutely! I'm free pretty much all afternoons as long as Brin doesn't stop by to hang out, and Ele will be free on Sunday afternoonish. Dibbs on Kin spot!
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Thanks Slax, still gathering infomation and planning on running a STF this weekend (what a TF on double xp?!?) Hopefully, I can find a wp/fire brute with the initals B.P. to come along and help sort out this mess. Ele, Ryxx, Coz you guys up for a run this weekend?
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Shivans/nukes/HVAS = 30ish seconds. true story, we got vids.
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if we could cram more villains in there, I'm sure they'd die too.
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So what time Sunday? I'd like to get in on the Hami raid on Champion around 7 EST but would gladly give that up for the blaster spot here.
(Hmm, and with rain in the forecast here, maybe do both?)
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Lets try for this Sunday (yes its double xp) at noon Eastern. We will be 'testing' things so people should be prepared to reset on the last mission or to stop attacking and let the AVs regen back to full.
I'd like Sarrate or Ele to tank, they both seem to be able to multi-task enough to taunt and check stats with the power analyzer.
I'd like to try to get a good mix or both Def and controller debuffs so we can toggle them on and off to make sure they are working 'as intended'.
So maybe Coz on therm troller or rad troller.
Ryxx on anything.
I will be on my dp blaster (wot?!).
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I'll be down to help if I'm around for noon
Rad/Sonic Def
Dark/Ice Def
Kin/Elec Def
Rad/Plant Cont
Ice/Storm Cont (48)
Fire/Kin Cont
I think that's all the support toons in range I have left on Victory. I am of course always willing to bring my Dark/SR scrapper
Who do I have to *&^% around here to get more Targeted AoE recipes added?
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Hmmm. That's 9 am PST and all I have to bring to the party is a blaster or PB. (Support is on other servers.)
Well, I look forward to the bug report. Hopefully there isn't anything seriously wrong with the TF.
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WAY too early. i don't get off work till 1:30, and Ele might get off when I do, but has a long drive afterwards. It'd hafta be midafternoon or evening if we're to be coming. Also I <3 kinning. Just did a respec on Kincicle and I'm itching to try it out.
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Lets try for this Sunday (yes its double xp) at noon Eastern. We will be 'testing' things so people should be prepared to reset on the last mission or to stop attacking and let the AVs regen back to full.
I'd like Sarrate or Ele to tank, they both seem to be able to multi-task enough to taunt and check stats with the power analyzer. I'd like to try to get a good mix or both Def and controller debuffs so we can toggle them on and off to make sure they are working 'as intended'. So maybe Coz on therm troller or rad troller. Ryxx on anything. I will be on my dp blaster (wot?!). |
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Didn't have the analyzer power but we ran this the other day and we could barely touch GW and had to quit. We might have had too many scrappers and too much melee because, on top of her regen, she was healing 3,000 HP x2 whenever her power came up, which seemed like every 15 seconds or so.
If she's regening at 3k then it becomes imperative that a cold def comes along to slow that down a bit.
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