Can we have an 18+ server with more relaxed rules please?


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We are so glad to see you've come to this realization without our having to tell you that this game probably isn't for you. Good luck in your search for a game that only caters to dirty old men.
excuse me? Oh give me a break. I didnt say I wanted to do anything dirty. my characters name was really funny.

Right now as I write this Im on a team now on Virtue, the "glorious good server where the serious players are", and the people on my team are reciting the lyrics to "Kyle's Mom's a B---- from South Park" complete with racist slurs about Kyle's religion. There going back and forth with the slurs.
So please dont give me any speeches or put downs about how you all are the mature ones and Im the immature dirty old man. I would never say that stuff in a team chat because I dont know who else is on or their age. but it's the kids who do.

Especially when this game allows you to modify a female characters bust size (why would a teen game need that? hmm?), have wide open cleavage, extremely low cut tops, revealing bikinis and short-shorts, or male costumes with straps that look like S&M dungeon costume, complete with peirced nipples.

So don't even try to gang up on me like I'm the bad one and you're all angels, I'll just vomit from the hypocracy.
Im just suggesting a place where the children cant enter. thats all.

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Oh and Im so tired of the hypocrite players here who say one thing in public but do something else in the game.
Everyone hates pl'ing in public like its a low class thing, but theyre the first ones who thank me profusely for following their lowbie teams in the sewers and healing them or dropping lvl 50 ice patches under lvl 5 mobs giving them a completely unfair advantage. I've helped at least a dozen lowbie teams in the sewers and no one ever asked me to stop helping them. Everyone loves it in reality, but says somethig different on the boards.
meh.
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excuse me? Oh give me a break. I didnt say I wanted to do anything dirty. my characters name was really funny.
Take it up with Customer Support, not the forums. I can't fix your name, and I'm fairly certain nobody here can either. I don't think this topic has helped any of your problems, has it?


 

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I would have reported the name, had I seen it.
I don't really like running into "Sexy" anyone in this game.

For me its not heroic, but its whorish... and this isnt second life.

Sorry, I am not even prudish, I just dont like that shat in my video game.

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I report people for slurs as well.
They dont belong in my video game.


 

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And what everyone's saying is that there's simply no way to keep them out, regardless of whether there's a demand for such a server. Unless you have an in-person driver's licence exam with a panel of physicians who are experts on physical growth characteristics, in which case you're kinda limiting your player base.

We're all very curious what name was genericed though. Like it matters.
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excuse me? Oh give me a break. I didnt say I wanted to do anything dirty. my characters name was really funny.

Right now as I write this Im on a team now on Virtue, the "glorious good server where the serious players are", and the people on my team are reciting the lyrics to "Kyle's Mom's a B---- from South Park" complete with racist slurs about Kyle's religion. There going back and forth with the slurs.
So please dont give me any speeches or put downs about how you all are the mature ones and Im the immature dirty old man. I would never say that stuff in a team chat because I dont know who else is on or their age. but it's the kids who do.

Especially when this game allows you to modify a female characters bust size (why would a teen game need that? hmm?), have wide open cleavage, extremely low cut tops, revealing bikinis and short-shorts, or male costumes with straps that look like S&M dungeon costume, complete with peirced nipples.

So don't even try to gang up on me like I'm the bad one and you're all angels, I'll just vomit from the hypocracy.
Im just suggesting a place where the children cant enter. thats all.

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Oh and Im so tired of the hypocrite players here who say one thing in public but do something else in the game.
Everyone hates pl'ing in public like its a low class thing, but theyre the first ones who thank me profusely for following their lowbie teams in the sewers and healing them or dropping lvl 50 ice patches under lvl 5 mobs giving them a completely unfair advantage. I've helped at least a dozen lowbie teams in the sewers and no one ever asked me to stop helping them. Everyone loves it in reality, but says somethig different on the boards.
meh.
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Helping a lowbie get to 20 is not the same as letting a lvl one door sit up to 50.

I love how you want to be the mature person when you spend your in game time hanging out with people form your story.

This isn't really a hard place to play a mayrdor though so go on and pout about how we are self righteous liars keeping you down.


 

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I would have reported the name, had I seen it.
I don't really like running into "Sexy" anyone in this game.

For me its not heroic, but its whorish... and this isnt second life.

Sorry, I am not even prudish, I just dont like that shat in my video game.

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I report people for slurs as well.
They dont belong in my video game.
Well yeah...

I don't find names like...

Jane Goodburg, to be heroic either. And it kinda lacks the heroic or villain feel to it as well.

Also remember, the game does have filters. If you don't like the swearing, use it.

Damn is about as far as I go in the game. But I highly support people using the filters, as I'll tell you now, having worked with 10-12 year olds...they swear...alot...it suprised me how much they swear and what they say. :O Not to mention, as already stated...rated teen for language (what one considers infrequent or frequent, is probably subjective).

And yes, I agree...don't care to see the name "Sexy" but then, isn't that one those "hey there's lots of names out there...add on an adjective advice" I see going around. And I'd hate to see someone genericed, when they're using the advice of MANY people on the forums.


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And yes, I agree...don't care to see the name "Sexy" but then, isn't that one those "hey there's lots of names out there...add on an adjective advice" I see going around. And I'd hate to see someone genericed, when they're using the advice of MANY people on the forums.
It's that the best you can do for adjectives then you should start working on your GED.


 

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It's that the best you can do for adjectives then you should start working on your GED.
I have no idea if that's for me or for those who use it. o.O

I just figure, with those who think there are so many names available, just by adding adjectives, Sexy is an adjective.

Dark Mistress
Sexy Mistress
Blue Mistress

Three different adjectives, and three names that may be available on the server of your choice.

Oh the names are the suckie...but hey, they're available.


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I have no idea if that's for me or for those who use it. o.O

I just figure, with those who think there are so many names available, just by adding adjectives, Sexy is an adjective.

Dark Mistress
Sexy Mistress
Blue Mistress

Three different adjectives, and three names that may be available on the server of your choice.

Oh the names are the suckie...but hey, they're available.
I doubt Dark Mistress is available on most servers.


 

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I doubt Dark Mistress is available on most servers.
Probably right. I've never made a toon Mistress anything, sooo...saddly I don't know...but I have this urge to go check now.


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I would have reported the name, had I seen it.
I don't really like running into "Sexy" anyone in this game.

For me its not heroic, but its whorish... and this isnt second life.

Sorry, I am not even prudish, I just dont like that shat in my video game.

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I report people for slurs as well.
They dont belong in my video game.
I do love a hypocrite.


 

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I do love a hypocrite.
What group is shat a slur for?


 

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I do love a hypocrite.
"Shat" is a way around the language filter. (A dumb way around the language filter.)
PP said slurs, as in, a demeaning word for a group of people, don't belong in her game.


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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

 

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Y'know there are ways to work around this, I am living proof.

I am in an SG, the name is "Explicit Content 18 and Over ONLY", how do you get in to such an SG? you have to prove you are A. over 18 both physically and overal mentally, and B. that while we do participate in more "adult situations, you are mature, not a living frat rat curse machine, and that have at least a small bit of intelligence. This has managed to keep out the kids and those who are just huge children.

If you really desire an 18+ community, seek out, yes actively look, somewhere such as where have found. Though don't expect to get it just handed to you, you usually have to earn it.


 

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excuse me? Oh give me a break. I didnt say I wanted to do anything dirty. my characters name was really funny.
In your opinion. Obviously not in the eyes of whoever reported it, or in the GMs.
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Right now as I write this Im on a team now on Virtue, the "glorious good server where the serious players are", and the people on my team are reciting the lyrics to "Kyle's Mom's a B---- from South Park" complete with racist slurs about Kyle's religion. There going back and forth with the slurs.
So please dont give me any speeches or put downs about how you all are the mature ones and Im the immature dirty old man. I would never say that stuff in a team chat because I dont know who else is on or their age. but it's the kids who do.
Do point out who here is in that single group doing that. I can save you a little time - it's not me, as I don't watch South Park, and would likely leave that group.
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Especially when this game allows you to modify a female characters bust size (why would a teen game need that? hmm?),
Because - *gasp* - women have different bust sizes? (I tend to reduce mine. The slider DOES go both ways.)

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have wide open cleavage, extremely low cut tops, revealing bikinis and short-shorts, or male costumes with straps that look like S&M dungeon costume, complete with peirced nipples.
You'll find all the above in comics and/or in real life. "Low cut top" does not mean anything, nor does a bikini (had a SG that had a beach party at one point - oh no, the horror,) or "short-shorts" (because, again, people wear them.)

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So don't even try to gang up on me like I'm the bad one and you're all angels, I'll just vomit from the hypocracy.
Im just suggesting a place where the children cant enter. thats all.
Prove the ones being "immature" are children. Prove the ones that act mature are not. Prove any of the above examples of "immaturity" have any sort of relation to age.

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Oh and Im so tired of the hypocrite players here who say one thing in public but do something else in the game.
Everyone hates pl'ing in public like its a low class thing, but theyre the first ones who thank me profusely for following their lowbie teams in the sewers and healing them or dropping lvl 50 ice patches under lvl 5 mobs giving them a completely unfair advantage.
You think those are the same thing, you really do have a distorted view of things. Though, honestly, you've proved that quite well already.

BIG difference between a buff and PLing. I'd explain it to you, but from what I've seen in this thread it'd be a waste of time.


 

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In your opinion. Obviously not in the eyes of whoever reported it, or in the GMs.
TO be fair the GM could have thought it was hilarious but out of line.


 

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With a tip of the hat to Red Valkyrja; just for comparison purposes:

In the US, the ESRB Rating is:
TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

In the EU, the PEGI Rating is:
16+
Titles rated 16 are suitable only for persons of 16 years of age or older. Some situations include moderate to strong action violence, mild references to gambling, and rude humor.

This makes them a close match. Besides the Ratings Systems are just for informational purposes aa to what the game provides by itself. The GM's are tasked with Mod'ing the activities of the subscriber base in order to keep that Rating. So, without further info as to what the OP thought "was a funny name", we have to rely on the GM's, and I will live with that because I would rather have the rule of law than an anarchy. Those who wish anarchy usually dont last long anywho.

I truly wonder what the name could have been when we have the NPC Dominatrix as a viable Teen/16+ name. Actually, this is a good example of a possible borderline, but technically 'valid' name for the game's rating. It's all in the way one 'reads into' the character (whether maturely or immaturely). The name (Dominatrix) is not necessarily an adult term. Just because the proper name for a female who dominates (has power over something) has been appropriated by a certain subculture doesnt make it 'adult' by definition. And the ingame description of the NPC is suggestive:

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Being the daughter of a famous and universally loved super heroine never sat well with Dominatrix. She rebelled from a very early age and when she hit puberty and her powers kicked in she decided enough was enough. After killing her mother, the infamous Miss Liberty, she started making a name for herself. She caught Tyrants attention and has been serving him loyally, in all capacities, ever since.
(suggestive bit emboldened for clarity)

But that is what is allowable: Suggestive but not Vulgar. Which is more along the lines of Mature without being Immature about it. And dont you wish that the kids could get a clue about what Maturity really means anywho?

Can you guess how I vote on this idea without me saying anything about a ranger?


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I find myself entering this conversation late... most of the pertinent flaws with an 18+ server have already been addressed throughout the thread. One that I don't think I've seen addressed in full is the... ahem... need... of the game to maintain a certain rating across various countries. The short version is that NCSoft, as a publisher, submits the developer created content before various review boards. They use this certification as a basis on how, and who, they can sell the game to.

While some players like to cite examples such as Halo or Call of Duty as examples of mature games that sell to, and are played by, a younger crowd, the fact is, games like this tend to get creamed by titles like New Super Mario Brothers. The Nintendo Wii console dusted competitors that focused on the hard-core gamer, a market that didn't grow or expand as various accountants expected.

The mature market on the Wii still continues to elude publishers like Capcom and Sega, with titles such as Madworld flopping due to it's focus on continuous vulgarity and profanity. Capcom couldn't follow up Resident Evil 4 with another adventure title, and gamers turned their noses up, and their wallets down, at the extended light-gun shooters. It's not that the market does not exist, but that publishers can't get the right mix of what gamers want to play, with what gamers want to experience. Too many publishers and developers equate Mature with violent, sexual, and immature behavior.

The concept holds across movies. G and PG movies routinely outsell R-rated movies. Yes, every once in a while an R rated film will rake in some cash, but for the most part, movie companies out to make profits have to focus on fitting within the PG-13 envelope. This doesn't mean that they can't still do epic adventures or tell great stories. It does mean that they (the content creators) have to pay attention to how the content is presented. Case in point: The rebooted Batman franchise.

The fact for NCSoft is that the Teen / 16+ rating gives them the flexibility to market the brandings of their games to a wider audience, while still giving room for naughtier concepts such a Dominatrix. While no current game retailer refuses to sell M rated games, for mass market retailers like WalMart, it's much easier, and cheaper, to lock in store-promotions and positioning for a game that can sell to a wider market.

Adding an 18+ server, behind anything else, would basically require that NCSoft re-certify the developer created content against the new rating. This in turn could hurt future marketing opportunities. Stores like Walmart, that happily promoted the Good Vs. Evil edition of the game, might not so happily, or cheaply, do the same thing again.

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While I'm at it, one of the common misconceptions of the game is that simply having the profanity / vulgarity filter allows players to say what they want to say, and if other players don't like it, simply enable the filter. It's been made quite clear by the forum moderators, by the in-game moderators, and by the developers that this isn't true. The various chat filters do not simply grant carte-blanche for players to type or emote what-ever they want. Players who continuously willingly trigger the filter system stand to have their accounts suspended or banned.

Another common misconception is that the players themselves are responsible for every single genericed reporting. Some players don't seem to realize that the GM's play the game to, and GM's can use the /search function just as well as any other player. So just because you (a player) got genericed, doesn't mean that another player went through the trouble of using /petition.

Something else to consider is that the GM's, like players, can dump public broadcast chat logs to file and save them for later. So again, a player doesn't have to be the one to report somebody for excessive vulgar or profane language.

Just something to keep in mind for those thinking, oh yes I can get away with being a jerk. Chances are... you can't.


 

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
Yuo aren't being forced to play with 10 year olds. You are being forced to play in an environment that the majority of parents would consider reasonable for their 10 year olds. If you want to play with older people then there are plenty of ways to do that, the obvious is to find a SG that caters to older players (yes they exist). Now your actual complaint is that the server environment is set by the mods to be suitable for 10 year olds and personally I have no problem whatsoever with that. I don't care a lot if people want to have stupid names with sex or drug references but it does irk me and so I support the policy of disallowing it.
You know, that's kind of what it comes down to. Game Masters don't patrol the game. Ever. If they take action, someone reported something, and if someone reported you, then you offended someone. And if you got genericed, the Game Master agreed. The ability to have "mature" gameplay in everything but name, practically, already exists - merely ensure that you do so in an environment where this is acceptable. Look up adults with a more lax sense of humour and you'll be fine.

But an 18+ server won't give you that. An 18+ server will be filled mostly with underage kids, just as practically everything that's forbidden for minors.


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excuse me? Oh give me a break. I didnt say I wanted to do anything dirty. my characters name was really funny.
I'm sure it is, but that doesn't stop it from being unacceptable.

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Right now as I write this Im on a team now on Virtue, the "glorious good server where the serious players are", and the people on my team are reciting the lyrics to "Kyle's Mom's a B---- from South Park" complete with racist slurs about Kyle's religion. There going back and forth with the slurs.
So please dont give me any speeches or put downs about how you all are the mature ones and Im the immature dirty old man. I would never say that stuff in a team chat because I dont know who else is on or their age. but it's the kids who do.
That's a pretty underhanded straw man, since I never saw anyone here claim that the game consists of nothing but puritans. And I'm not sure where Virtue came into play, but I didn't notice anyone mentioning it as "the glorious good server where the serious players are." If anything, I've seen some of the most numerous behaviour and character criticisms levied towards that particular server. But even if all of that were true, what difference does your anecdote make? So a bunch of people have exceedingly poor taste and sensibility. If you minded that so much, you could have reported them, rather than trying to use that as a cudgel to drive home an incorrect assertion.

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Especially when this game allows you to modify a female characters bust size (why would a teen game need that? hmm?), have wide open cleavage, extremely low cut tops, revealing bikinis and short-shorts, or male costumes with straps that look like S&M dungeon costume, complete with peirced nipples.
Which is totally irrelevant to anything being discussed here. The tools are just that - tools. A bread knife allows you to murder people and you can pick locks with light bulb filament. Last I checked, police weren't mandating all people use candles for light and break their bread by hand. It's not what you have in the editor that matters, it's what you do with it that counts. It's technically possible to make complete Wolverine clones and pretty decent naked women. Those get genericed on the spot, and I have a hard time believing you can drive an argument as to how that's wrong if the editors allow it. It's a question of final product, the sum of its parts, as it were, not what specific pieces you put into it.

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So don't even try to gang up on me like I'm the bad one and you're all angels, I'll just vomit from the hypocracy.
Im just suggesting a place where the children cant enter. thats all
We're "ganging up" on you, because you can't make a place where "children can't enter," since verifying age is not possible. We're "ganging up" on you, because such a server is not needed in the game, because all it does is create a heaven for the children who can't enter to be juvenile and adds nothing that the rest of us adults can't actually have within the context of the game as it is. We're "ganging up" on you because your idea is simply bad, and if you can't detach your ego from the merit of this one particular idea, then that's your egg to stand on.

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Oh and Im so tired of the hypocrite players here who say one thing in public but do something else in the game.
Everyone hates pl'ing in public like its a low class thing, but theyre the first ones who thank me profusely for following their lowbie teams in the sewers and healing them or dropping lvl 50 ice patches under lvl 5 mobs giving them a completely unfair advantage. I've helped at least a dozen lowbie teams in the sewers and no one ever asked me to stop helping them. Everyone loves it in reality, but says somethig different on the boards.
meh.
And I'm tired of hypocrites who cite statistics that are completely unprovable, speak for a silent majority of people and criticise a different majority of other people unified only by the particular attribute they're trying to shoot down. What you're saying is, basically, "people are dicks." So? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Those people aren't asking for a no-powerlevel server where they can live in the purity of their own self-righteousness while at the same time powerlevelling their ***** until they resemble plate glass. Much in the same way, no-one that I've seen is saying that they would never consider using adult themes for their characters, merely that they don't feel such a server has any point to exist and that GMs acting on them is not something we're going to argue. If you want to stretch the rules, be aware of the possible consequences.

There is no need for a "mature" server, as there are no normally acceptable mature themes that you can't pull off in the current game given enough caution on your part. You really can't expect more from a T-rated game, and it's foolish to pout about it.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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my characters name was really funny.

Right now as I write this Im on a team now on Virtue, the "glorious good server where the serious players are",
So you made a joke name on the "serious" server and it got hit with the generic bat.

I dunno - maybe try a different server where people are less "serious" before you suggest the quagmire that an age restricted server would be...


 

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Lol

Think that M rating is going to keep lil kiddies away. Try playing Halo 3 or Modern Warfare2 and see how that works out for you
^ This. The thing you (OP) still don't seem to understand is that aside from the issues that have already been addressed a +18 server simply wouldn't solve your problem. You could still very easily offend someone over 18 and they would have every right to report you and the GMs would have every right to shut the name down if they chose to. You say it's not that bad but that is all a matter of opinion as is it's comedic value.

Also, don't come into these forums and claim that people of these forums are singning south park songs. As with most MMOs the people who frequent the forum likely represent a small percentage of the people actually playing. If you can name a specific example take it up with that person but don't call me a hypocrit for something someone else did that MIGHT be on these forums.

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Good luck in your search for a game that only caters to dirty old men.
This I just quoted because it's funny.

Like it or not most of the people here are going to back a GMs decision because they are paid to use their judgment and we have no choice but to trust that so you're whining to the wrong people.


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Hmmmm people forgot to add this popular MMO to the list of what not to do AoC. Rated 18+ or M, how ever you like it.


It had nudity, violence, and (possibly dunno for a fact) profanity. What happened after the first bit, people freaked out cause of nudity in the game. Parents (not all...some) will buy any game for a kid then freak out once they see what they are playing.

So for them to go through that type of fiasco, and possible legal problems(you never know). I would say no to this idea. Keep it at its status quo.


 

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Hmmmm people forgot to add this popular MMO to the list of what not to do AoC. Rated 18+ or M, how ever you like it.


It had nudity, violence, and (possibly dunno for a fact) profanity. What happened after the first bit, people freaked out cause of nudity in the game. Parents (not all...some) will buy any game for a kid then freak out once they see what they are playing.

So for them to go through that type of fiasco, and possible legal problems(you never know). I would say no to this idea. Keep it at its status quo.

That's the game I was thinking of when I made my comment, I just didn't want to recommend it since the mods tend to frown on recommending other games outside of Comic and Hero/Villain Culture.