15 scrappers in RV, 2 tanks, 2 blasters, 0 trollers, 0 defenders.

You could sell it, in-character, the same way they pass off mini-games in Champions (which work, basically, exactly like that) - its all for fun and pratice, and not a real battle - basically superheroes beating each other up is a sport (which isn't too far fetched if you think how many people watch boxing... *rolleyes*).

It would certainly be a lot of fun. It does have the disadvantage though, of sort of taking away from the factional, good guys Vs. bad guys PvP that CoH seems to have been going for. I know, I know, LOLRPz, and I'm a carebear, and blah blah blah, but I LIKE that zone PvP has at least some story behind it - that you're supposedly fighting /for/ something other than just the pleasure of teabagging the other person's corpse. *le shrug*

More to the point, Arena combat will already allow you to have perfectly balanced teams - numerically and in other ways.

Oh, I happen to agree about the other things though - I haven't barely had time to even dangle my feat in the water, yet, but I13 really seems to have made the playing field more than a little bit TOO level for my taste.

I play my healer at times and even my trollers n defenders, how long i stay on those toons depands largely on the time i spend getting hit by 6 or so stalkers sharkbiting me from a distance lol.

I dont think you see as many trollers/def's because support for them is min. at best we heal we buff we set debuffs and the damage dealers all run away after that 1 target leaving the squishies behind as stalker food lol.

Think if we saw some actual team work other than simply calling target and running things might change ..

or maybe another pvp nerf.. umm i mean revamp is needed

I actually like playing trollers more in pvp its better than the typical bash n smash but troller emblem is like a sign saying im yummy lol eat me

I RP that i13 is fun.

It still is. If they are that much better. The problem is that the margin of skill difference isn't that extreme in most cases. Pre-i13 when 2 people could roll the zone it was more because certain power sets and game mechanics were so broken that a skilled player could use them to become almost unkillable. A mediocre player could also use them to be almost unkillable.

Now some of those nails that were sticking out have been hammered down and what we're seeing now is a truer reflection of the actual skill differences.

Yeah those nails were hammered down alright, like this:

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The margin of skill has decreased exponentially since i13 was implemented - for a myriad of reasons. i12 was nowhere near perfect - there were imbalances - but the dynamics made sense. The "i12" system made sense. The current system's dynamic is as senseless as the imbalances themselves. That's a topic that's been discussed at least 200 times now, though.

lol you mean 200 times this month. Seriously skeet, we're all tired of arguing about it. If you really think I13 was good, great for you. You're wrong, but nobody really cares about proving you wrong anymore.

Right, the guys who rolled RV on an Ice/Fire Blaster and an Emp were abusing broken powersets and game mechanics.

Give me a break.

When two people could roll the zone it was either because everyone on the other side was bad (this is a possibility but there are a lot more bad players now than there were then, yet it's easier to not be bad now, wtf is up with that), or because those two were just that good. Inspiration management, evasion, and team/player synergy are all but forgotten this day in age, yet those were the tools which allowed two good players to come out on top even when badly outnumbered.

Before I13, a good player using a "bad" build could roll mediocre players using good builds (anyone remember when Silent Method brought an AR/Fire to kickballs and got kills on it, or when Ajax won a dueling tourney on an Ice/Sonic Corruptor?), because skill actually meant something. These days PvP comes down to who has more numbers and who has what character, because the skill gap is so much reduced. Oddball lineups don't really work anymore, because skill doesn't make a big enough difference to account for the discrepancies in build.

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I don't know the memories you refer to, but I think I know exactly what you're talking about.

Although I was often one of those huddling around the turrets just outside the Arachnos base in Siren's Call, hoping that this time this time, we'd be able to take down that blaster before he got away with another scalp...I miss those days.

Of course, a few weeks before I13 came around, I'd actually been in the habit of tossing down a couple of yellows and trying to chase the empath away.

I don't recall the last time I was in a pvp zone...

Oh yeah...

Warburg for a Biological Nuke and Bloody Bay for Shivan Shards.

I guess it's kinda nice not having to worry about stalkers in Warburg anymore.

You wanna tell me that when tanker can manage from vill base to hero base while being chased by 8+ ppl and drinking tea while doing so, isn't broken? That the fact that tanks can do 500dmg with range attacks, have 3000+HP, high res and def and widow can only blast for 80, have lolsy def, no res, no heals, no HP isnt broken? Or that you can get 3 shotted by proced psi em while you are trying to pew pew them with ****** defender dmg and DR'ed and resisted on top of that debuffs? CMON
i12 was unbalanced, but it allowed varierity, and as was said it allowed "odd ball" cases. Now it is just psi ems, mind fires, elec therms for duels; psi ems and emps for team and tankers/ regen scraps for zone. What happend to roles like mez, disruption(sure there is some but it is lolsy compared to pre i13)...SUPPORT?
Blaster/emp combo was indeed strong on but you still could kill those quite fast if you know what you are doing. Now emping in zones is probably most frustrating role ever.

meanwhile i remember playing my mind/fire in zone, being buffed to the tooth by 2 therms and two mind links, doing the best we could to keep the rad/psy down because nicor kept screaming that it was the only threat, essentially running a 16v16 in zone all around the atlas statue in RV.

this would go on for hours and hours and hours. to the point where i remember i'd come into the zone at 11 or midnight EST during the summer of 2008, and leave at 3AM while the fight was still going on hardcore.

yeah, whoever says the zones are more active now, must have some hardcore amnesia.

Well, less button-mashy and more challenging anyway.

no not really.
basically, if you get held, that's it. no challenge. you fall, get shraked/AS'd, the end.
there's no challenge to a deterministic game where you can't do anything to change the outcome; that's why comrade D said "frustrating" and not "challenging". in i12, you could prevent all of those things if you had half a brain cell. this is no longer the case.

That ice fire dude was a beast to be fair.

How exactly is being unable to help your teammates when they need it "challenging?"

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TS and HD mean that a lot more consideration has to go into when a heal is used, which heal is used and where you're positioned when you do it... which makes it more challenging.

no. no it doesn't.
counting to 9 is not a skill.

I'm fine with saying it's not a skill--since I never said it was to start with. It's just one more thing to juggle in real time and there's a noticeable difference in effectiveness between when that juggling is done well and when it's not. Each added item to juggle can be viewed as simply added frustration or as a challenge, I happen to choose the latter.

hahaha, more things to juggle?
seriously?
did you ever play an emp before i13? or for that matter any buffer?

counting to 9 is trash compared to having to constantly be aware of stacking mez's on your buff bar as well as your teammate's, and keeping up buffs that actually do something to the person you're supporting.

i bet you're one of the people that think doms are better off now than in i12, too...

Ajax's Ice/Sonic was a defender wasn't it? Thats the toon he was playing just before i13 anyway...proves even more how l33t he was... A usual scene in Liberty RV was him on mind/fire dom taking on several heroes by himself... and winning.

Edit: I was thinking of his cold/sonic.... nvm

Skeet you are a decent zone PvPer, just like warhamster was, and you are entilted to your opinion but the numbers don't lie. Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by Black_Barrier Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...