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Similarly, just because you got generic'd doesn't mean someone filed a petition (though it is fairly likely). Please don't blame the people in your immediate vicinity when generic'ing happens without warning.
Excellent corollary, you're right. Thanks for pointing that out.


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This made my day. Thanks!
This thread, for some reason, reminds me of a story I heard of guy in the military getting a little drunk then getting his initials tattoo'd on him with his buds.

To be far, you never think of your own initials as offensive, but the tattoo artist could of pointed out that, being in the military or just how people tend to be in the USA, getting an initials tat wasn't the smartest thing for Fred Al Green-whats-it to get.


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This thread, for some reason, reminds me of a story I heard of guy in the military getting a little drunk then getting his initials tattoo'd on him with his buds.

To be far, you never think of your own initials as offensive, but the tattoo artist could of pointed out that, being in the military or just how people tend to be in the USA, getting an initials tat wasn't the smartest thing for Fred Al Green-whats-it to get.
I used to work with a woman whose name was Shauna Hayley Irving. She married man with the last name Tanner. We tried our best to talk her into hyphenating her maiden and married names, but I think our enthusiasm for the idea might have spoiled the 'hidden surprise' for her.


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To be fair, it's a lot more likely that a kid is going to smoke pot than rob a bank while fending off the police with a broadsword and his awesome ninja skills.
I submit that an 'awesome ninja' would not be using a broadsword.


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The thing I've been wondering- I've got characters based on iconic landmarks, like Brooklyn Bridge and the Statue of Liberty. Would I be able to do George Washington Bridge as well? Of course my bio would make it clear that the character was based off the actual bridge, not a character whose name happens to be similar. That and his looks would be waaay different.


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The thing I've been wondering- I've got characters based on iconic landmarks, like Brooklyn Bridge and the Statue of Liberty. Would I be able to do George Washington Bridge as well? Of course my bio would make it clear that the character was based off the actual bridge, not a character whose name happens to be similar. That and his looks would be waaay different.
I don't think they mind doing characters based on historical figures. Contemporary people and celebrities is another matter.


 

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I don't think they mind doing characters based on historical figures. Contemporary people and celebrities is another matter.
Historical figures are officially OK. Or at least, the GM who encountered my friends and I as a band of superpowered versions of less famous US Presidents when we needed help with a stalled TF thought it was OK.

Or it could just have been that he didn't recognize James K. Polk, Chester A. Arthur, Millard Filmore, William Henry Harrison, Grover Cleveland and Rutherford B. Hayes... respectively as a Victorian Steampunk Cyborg, a Reptillian Hybrid Clone Made by Natives of the Mysterious Planet X, a Modern Reincarnation into an Eleven Year Old Girl with Terrifying Psychic Abilities, a Vengeful Ghost with a Corporeal Body Assembled from a Tangible Liquid Spite, a Colony of Hyperintelligent Insects actually Just Wearing a Suit and Rubber Mask, and the Immortal Warlock who had Called Them All Together.

Rumor has it that Harry Truman, Andrew Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt all wanted the 7th spot, but the fight that resulted when they all refused to surrender tore a hole in the very fabric of the world through which they're all still plummeting, raining blows like God's own screaming thunder on one another whenever they drift into range. No one would have had the guts to tell them that they were all too high-profile historical figures to be considered for inclusion.

William Howard Taft would have been the 8th, but he got stuck trying to get out of the bathtub again.


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I'm flashing back to the Simpsons episode where kids do a musical of lesser-known presidents.

Generally, it's up to the discretion of the GMs, and the players that petition them. There's rules of thumb rather than definite rules.


 

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Anyway if I did get my old name back i'd be happier but I don't mind sticking with her new name "Dub Step"

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perhaps im wrong and you all do find it offensive, which is why im posting it on here..
Nope, I'm not offended one bit, but then again, drugs don't offend me all that much. And at least the new name is a less obvious pot reference.

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If it helps, I once made a character with a very, very offensive name completely by accident. It's the only character I've ever have generic'd. I think mine is worse than yours, really. So you're not alone!


 

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Historical figures are officially OK. Or at least, the GM who encountered my friends and I as a band of superpowered versions of less famous US Presidents when we needed help with a stalled TF thought it was OK.
Waaay back when, just after the Marvel suit had been filed, I had an E-mail discussion with (one of) the NCsoft retained lawyers on historical figures as we had a SG concept that we were concerned about

The concept was an extension of Global Heroics where instead of Mr/Mister/Ms/Miss <countryname> we would actually used a historical figure from the nations history. Say Charlemagne for France or Arthur (or King Alfred) for England, maybe El Cid for Spain.

The response was basically 'it depends' and it would have to be checked on a case by case basis.

We dropped the concept



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I've had three characters reset to generic status myself.
I find it interesting that you avoid mentioning the ones you inadvertantly copied, but don't have a problem listing the one character you still use.


On the subject of accidental offensive names, for a brief moment, I once considered naming my Female Outcast-wannabe "Gangbanger"...





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The thing I've been wondering- I've got characters based on iconic landmarks, like Brooklyn Bridge and the Statue of Liberty. Would I be able to do George Washington Bridge as well? Of course my bio would make it clear that the character was based off the actual bridge, not a character whose name happens to be similar. That and his looks would be waaay different.
Good luck fitting "George Washington Bridge" into 20 characters or less name-wise!


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I find it interesting that you avoid mentioning the ones you inadvertantly copied, but don't have a problem listing the one character you still use.
It's already bad enough that my creative process so closely paralelled an Image creator, without letting you know which specific Image creator.


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It's already bad enough that my creative process so closely paralelled an Image creator, without letting you know which specific Image creator.
There's a difference?

(really, I missed the 90s of comics)


 

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It's pretty simple, you name a toon something that could violate the EULA you can get generic'ed at any time. Whether it is through spite or truly offending someone it really doesn't matter. A name like "Roll another J" is an implicit drug reference (dang near explicit). Naming toons like that just gives other people ammo. It shouldn't suprise you if someone loads it up and takes a shot at you.

On a side note. I once named a claws/regen scrapper "Wolverizer" and made him a dead ringer for a certain copyrighted character (three guesses who, first two don't count). I KNEW that toon was going to get generic'ed. I just wanted to see how long it took. For the record it lasted til the toon was lvl 16. I just deleted it after it was generic'ed :-)


 

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There's a difference?

(really, I missed the 90s of comics)
Whatever list you make, if Rob Liefield is on it he has a way of sinking to the bottom. Not that he's the guy (he wasn't, thankfully). But it just goes to show that even in the deepest pits of irredeemable suck, there is a hierarchy.


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Hm... this thread has me wanting to make Trademark Violation again - a villain whose bio reads that she knows that the costumes are blatant copies of "famous heroes", but does it anyway to try to get them in trouble. Then see how many petitions I get from people who are too stupid to read the bio. I still haven't done it, but the idea has been percolating for a while.

As for the OP... you possibly could have been more blatant about having a drug reference in your name, but I'm having trouble discerning how. That said, the first movie I remember seeing as a child was Cheech and Chong's Up In Smoke, and yet it never made me want to try marijuana. But hey, most parents nowadays would rather take offense that little Susie could possibly see something dangerous or undesired and they might have to take an active role in parenting instead of sheltering, so yeah... must keep the little kiddies naive and vulnerable, then wonder where they learn all this stuff that you never talked to them about.


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it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Hm... this thread has me wanting to make Trademark Violation again - a villain whose bio reads that she knows that the costumes are blatant copies of "famous heroes", but does it anyway to try to get them in trouble. Then see how many petitions I get from people who are too stupid to read the bio. I still haven't done it, but the idea has been percolating for a while.
Those characters do not exist in the Paragon Universe so the bio reads like an excuse to use other peoples works.


 

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The response was basically 'it depends' and it would have to be checked on a case by case basis.
Wow. That's such a lawyer response. That said, he'd have been stupid to have given you any ammunition for getting around potential EULA violations (not that you would have). For what it's worth, that response there may as well have been considered a green light for what you were actually intending. He was just being a good lawyer.


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Thread makes me want to listen to Tom Petty.
I'm sorry.


 

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Those characters do not exist in the Paragon Universe so the bio reads like an excuse to use other peoples works.
Oh! Well, if they don't exist, then there's absolutely no reason why they should be genericed, right?

More to the point, the likelihood of confusion is what creates an infringement. Since it's explicitly stated in the bio that it's not the character but someone dressing up like them (insert comment about parody and/or nominative use here), and I'm not using it to make money for myself or cause liability for the owner of the intellectual property, it's only actionable if you're really frivolous and don't mind wasting a lot of money on lawyer fees over a case you'd also have to very heavily bribe the judge to win. The likelihood of confusion only exists if you're illiterate.


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it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Oh! Well, if they don't exist, then there's absolutely no reason why they should be genericed, right?

More to the point, the likelihood of confusion is what creates an infringement. Since it's explicitly stated in the bio that it's not the character but someone dressing up like them (insert comment about parody and/or nominative use here), and I'm not using it to make money for myself or cause liability for the owner of the intellectual property, it's only actionable if you're really frivolous and don't mind wasting a lot of money on lawyer fees over a case you'd also have to very heavily bribe the judge to win. The likelihood of confusion only exists if you're illiterate.
Please show me where the EULA says not to use other peoples works unless it is for parody.