Lore Questions: Shadow Shard, Rikti, and Praetorian Earth
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Posted on: 2009-12-22 07:19 in Player Questions
There are no known answers to those questions yet, as far as I'm aware.
But I've always imagined the "multiverse" to be composed of infinite realities, so the answers to your first two questions would be "of course", if the multiverse is as I think it is.
As far as the third, I don't believe it's been revealed yet.
Not sure about the first 2, but I'm pretty sure somewhere I saw that the Rikti never invaded Praetorian Earth. They are from an alternate earth and invaded us through the portal corp system or something similar.
I'm not sure if the Rikti failed to or just never tried or even exist in the Praetorian dimension. Either way, they don't appear to be prominent on Earth at this time in that dimension, but they could still exist. Sounds like a possible future issue down the road though.
Since the Shard yet another 3rd dimension, there shouldn't be another alternate Praetorian Shard for there. They are both alternate dimensions from ours.
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Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
Since the Shard yet another 3rd dimension, there shouldn't be another alternate Praetorian Shard for there. They are both alternate dimensions from ours.
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As is the Rikti dimension... pretty sure they aren't from ours. Check out their page on the Wiki: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rikti
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Rikti Earth is another alternate Earth, just like Praetorian Earth, Council Empire Earth, Reichsman's Earth and Primal Earth. Exactly what the Shadow Shard is is much more ambiguous.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
As is the Rikti dimension... pretty sure they aren't from ours. Check out their page on the Wiki: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rikti
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Ah...I never knew that. Always assumed they were just aliens that didn't like us. Then I would expect that there aren't alternate 'Praetorian Rikti' since they are already from an alternate dimension.|
Originally Posted by Diggis
As is the Rikti dimension... pretty sure they aren't from ours. Check out their page on the Wiki: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rikti
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Exactly what the Shadow Shard is is much more ambiguous.
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Well from what I've gathered from running the Shadow Shard TFs numerous times, Rularuu came here from another dimension to try to "devour" our world like he's done to countless others. Some people (Midnight Club, etc) "somehow" created a pocket dimension to trap him in, and drove him mad at the same time, fracturing his mind.
So, the Shard seems to be a "pocket" dimension. The only real question would be then... do people from other dimensions have to go through OURS to get to the Shadow Shard, since it's a pocket dimension of our own, or did the creation of the pocket dimension cause it to be created parallel to all other dimensions, so anyone can get access to it directly with the right magic/tech.
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Originally Posted by Westley
Well from what I've gathered from running the Shadow Shard TFs numerous times, Rularuu came here from another dimension to try to "devour" our world like he's done to countless others. Some people (Midnight Club, etc) "somehow" created a pocket dimension to trap him in, and drove him mad at the same time, fracturing his mind.
So, the Shard seems to be a "pocket" dimension. The only real question would be then... do people from other dimensions have to go through OURS to get to the Shadow Shard, since it's a pocket dimension of our own, or did the creation of the pocket dimension cause it to be created parallel to all other dimensions, so anyone can get access to it directly with the right magic/tech. |
The proxy server at work blocks paragon wiki, but if I remember correctly Nemesis Rex used the Shadow Shard as well, proving that other dimensions have access to our shard.
I tend to believe that there are certain unique entities and places in the CoX multiverse, such as the Rikti home world and Shadow Shard. While both are alternate versions of Prime Earth they are so diverged from use, ether by method of creation or their history, that you would not find similar worlds.
That being the case there is only 1 source of Rikti and only 1 Rularuu. If Praetorian Earth has any connection to them or not is probably the biggest question.
At Hero Con, the devs said the Rikti haven't found Praetorian Earth.
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Although there is a story arc where a Rikti mentions that he (she?) now believes that the invasion of Rikti Earth was done by Praetorians, rather then heroes from Primal Earth. (Of course, we all know the truth.)
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
At Hero Con, the devs said the Rikti haven't found Praetorian Earth.
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There is no reason to think that the Rikti haven't done their homework (IE researched Primal Earth enough to know about Praetorian Earth).
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Oh, they know about Praetorian Earth now, just probably not when they made their original invasion plans. (Although even if they did, the dimensional trail from the invaders led back to Primal Earth anyway.)
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
There is no reason to think that the Rikti haven't done their homework (IE researched Primal Earth enough to know about Praetorian Earth).
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I know Nemesis has accessed the shard, but I don't recall Rex having accessed it.
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Originally Posted by Calash
The proxy server at work blocks paragon wiki, but if I remember correctly Nemesis Rex used the Shadow Shard as well, proving that other dimensions have access to our shard.
I tend to believe that there are certain unique entities and places in the CoX multiverse, such as the Rikti home world and Shadow Shard. While both are alternate versions of Prime Earth they are so diverged from use, ether by method of creation or their history, that you would not find similar worlds. That being the case there is only 1 source of Rikti and only 1 Rularuu. If Praetorian Earth has any connection to them or not is probably the biggest question. |
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
I know Nemesis has accessed the shard, but I don't recall Rex having accessed it.
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Did some research with Google Cache and I believe you are correct. For some reason I had thought the instigation behind their conflict started in the Shadow Shard.
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i forget where i read it, but i do recall something about the Rikti war being caused by Nemesis' machinations. AFAIK the Praetorians weren't directly involved or responsible.|
Originally Posted by Kierthos
Oh, they know about Praetorian Earth now, just probably not when they made their original invasion plans. (Although even if they did, the dimensional trail from the invaders led back to Primal Earth anyway.)
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So in this case it was all a Nemesis plot.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
i forget where i read it, but i do recall something about the Rikti war being caused by Nemesis' machinations. AFAIK the Praetorians weren't directly involved or responsible.
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Nemesis intentionally provoked the Rikti in some way. In Praetorian Earth, Nemesis is just a nobody. So no Nemesis, no Rikti attack.
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Both true and not true. Yes Nemesis provoked them (run Dark Watcher's arc, especially the final mission for details, and then the Lady Grey Task Force for the full story).|
Originally Posted by Bohmfalk
^^This is how I remember it.
Nemesis intentionally provoked the Rikti in some way. In Praetorian Earth, Nemesis is just a nobody. So no Nemesis, no Rikti attack. |
However, the fact that there is no Praetorian Nemesis is irrelevant. Both Rikti world and Praetorian world are alternate Earths. I've often wondered what happened to Rikti Nemesis, for example, and Rikti Hamidon.
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The Rikti were transformed in the Rikti centuries ago IIRC, so in all likelihood there were never any Hamidon or Nemesis equivalents since their social and mental structure is so different from the sort of civilization that spawned either. Having diverged from the timeline of Primal Earth and most of the other known alternate Earths so long ago there are few, if any, points of correspondence. Rikti have their own conflicts and deviations from societal norms/consensus, but they do not even have quite the same sort of thought processes as a baseline.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Both true and not true. Yes Nemesis provoked them (run Dark Watcher's arc, especially the final mission for details, and then the Lady Grey Task Force for the full story).
However, the fact that there is no Praetorian Nemesis is irrelevant. Both Rikti world and Praetorian world are alternate Earths. I've often wondered what happened to Rikti Nemesis, for example, and Rikti Hamidon. |
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The Shadow Shard is either a pocket dimension created by the Midnighter Club (in much the same way that Pocket D was created by DJ Zero, which would explain the similarities between the two dimensions, such as "no falling damage" and floating rocks everywhere), or it is actually Rularuu the Ravager's mind, transformed into a prison for Rularuu by the Midnighter Club.|
Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
Blown up alternate Earth? Or just another alternate dimension and/or section of the multiverse that is made up of lots of asteroids that somehow maintain a form of atmosphere for heroes and villains to survive.
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While it hasn't been said explicitly, I'd like to pin Rularuu himself as an extra-dimensional creature, since his favorite breakfast order is the Dimension of the Day...
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
i forget where i read it, but i do recall something about the Rikti war being caused by Nemesis' machinations. AFAIK the Praetorians weren't directly involved or responsible.
So in this case it was all a Nemesis plot. |
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Pretty sure (from the lore) it's basically Rularuu's mind/body transformed into a pocket dimension, with his different aspects split into Fathim, etc.
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Exactly. The Rikti followed the dimensional traces (or whatever) back to Primal Earth because they erroneously thought the Freedom Phalanx had attacked them first.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Yes, Primal Earth Nemesis created automaton clones of various Primal Earth heroes and sent them to attack Rikti Earth. The Rikti Wars are the result of the Rikti retaliating to what they believed was an invasion of their dimension.
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To all appearances for everyone else on Earth (save Nemesis), the Rikti just attacked Primal Earth "for no reason".
There is at least one Traditionalist Rikti who now thinks (wrongly) that it may have been the Praetorians who attacked Rikti Earth, framing Primal Earth for the attack, and there is at least one Rikti (Hro'Dtohz) who knows that it was really Nemesis who started the whole thing, but Hro'Dtohz is hiding the truth from his soldiers.
All I know is they said the Praetorian city will not have war walls.
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The Rogue Isles don't have War Walls. Croatoa doesn't have War Walls. Ouroboros doesn't have War Walls. Cimerora doesn't have War Walls.
Yet all of them still have zone boundaries.
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i expect Praetoria will be the same. However, Peregrine Island doesn't have War Walls either, so it would be interesting if Praetoria uses an expanded version of how Peregrine Island works. Perhaps appropriate edges of a zone are divided into multiple gate areas that take you to a corresponding gate area in the adjoining zone. You'd still have loading screens, but going East on Woolly Street to the next zone would put you at the Western end of Woolly Street in the new zone. i have no way of knowing how difficult it would be to do, but it would be a nice addition.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
The Rogue Isles don't have War Walls. Croatoa doesn't have War Walls. Ouroboros doesn't have War Walls. Cimerora doesn't have War Walls.
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So, with the upcoming Going Rouge release some questions have come to light, at least in my mind. I know how I "think" the following will be answered, but I am curious if my understanding is correct.
Some spoilers in these questions, so stop now if you do not know about the Rikti and Rularuu.
1 - Concerning the Rikti and Rularuu, are they unique in the multiverse? Or, another way to put this, are there only one Rikti home world and Shadow Shard.
2 - Has Praetorian Earth dealt with the Shadow Shard, or do they have their own version of it?
3 - Somebody in-game mentioned that Praetorian Earth fended off a Rikti attack. I am having trouble finding any reference to this. Is it true? If so why did they attack without Nemesis to instigate them?