Avatar
Going to see this Friday evening if all goes according to plan. Unfortunately, the only IMAX that was around here closed a few years ago.
I want to see this. Unfortunately no IMAX here :C
Will probably go see it on Monday since Sat/Sun I'm working and cinema tickets are mo' cheapah on Mondays.
Tell Meowtch get well soon from me
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this movie seems like an alien version of the last samurai >> yes thats a bad thing
I'm gonna see it this weekend, and i have an IMAX 5 minutes from my house...so game on.
p.s. the new IRONMAN 2 trailer looks badass also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVNjSoAj9SI
"Avatar" Box Office Seen Topping $75 Million in Debut"
"An ambitious, fully immersive cinematic experience."-Washington Post "Avatar's shock and awe demand to be seen. You've never experienced anything like it, and neither has anyone else."-Los Angeles Times Anyone rushing to see it, in Imax preferably? Wifes got the flue, so if you see it spill your review. . |
Go see it anyhow, preferably in IMAX 3D. I wound up getting there late and wound up standing through the whole movie without a real complaint (though the dogs are complaining now...)
The 3D isn't screaming, up-in-your-face 3D. It's something that you just kinda sit back and stop noticing after a few minutes. And this is a GOOD thing. It's exceptionally well done 3D (and I hope to God when this comes out on DVD/Blu-Ray that they release a 3D version).
Go see it anyhow, preferably in IMAX 3D. I wound up getting there late and wound up standing through the whole movie without a real complaint (though the dogs are complaining now...) |
Heh standing through it is hardcore , looks like you enjoyed it anyway. Beowulf was the last 3d flick we saw at one of the two Imax's near us, so I'm looking forward to this one. =]
I sense the hand of Sigourney Weaver in this film. I remember watching documentaries on the making of Aliens where James Cameron pushed the “war” aspect of that movie and encouraged Sigourney to try out an actual machine gun, asking her to admit that loosing off a few rounds didn’t half make her feel cool. Sigourney replied with a wry smile, pointing out that the rush of adrenalin and feeling of immortality were illusions for fools who don’t want to think about the enemy as a human being, or don’t have the forethought to realise that guns are only “fun” if no one else is carrying them.
That’s the first thing I got out of Avatar – the amusement that somehow this film is in some part penance for Aliens. The monsters are prettified and startlingly dissimilar from H R Giger’s nightmare visions, but the reversed perspective is lampshaded heavily throughout Avatar and becomes so blatant during the final scenes that I don’t think I’ll ever be able to watch Aliens, with the violent, hissing Queen facing down Ripley’s Powerloader again without seeing a little of Neytiri in her. There may even be sadness when Ripley blows her into deep space. Not much (she is a mean ‘ol crone), but perhaps just a little.
It would be an insult to Aliens and the complexity of its plot to say that Avatar represents some sort of cultural evolution from warmongering to environmentalism. The former just isn’t simple enough to call a gung ho macho war movie since it gradually shifts as the story progresses to be some odd deconstruction of the three faces of Eve. However, there is definitely an aspect of Avatar that makes you wonder how deep Sigourney Weaver’s claws were in James Cameron and there’s no doubt that in this new movie we’re fighting for the other side.
The second big thing I saw in Avatar was the obvious tie-in with online gaming. The amusing scene where Jake is being “forced to eat his dinner” before he’s allowed to upload back into his alien body (while simultaneously bad things requiring his full attention are happening around his “other self”) was one embarrassingly familiar and yet particularly moving moment. The theme played out throughout the entire film and there can be no doubt that at least one person on the writing team understands what it can feel like to be panicked by problems with internet connections while somewhere in an imaginary world, friends and non-existent computer characters are dying in droves solely because one can’t get there to hold the line and rescue them.
The third angle I enjoyed was almost as geeky. I could see how Avatar was designed to get right everything that “Final Fantasy – The Spirit Within” got wrong. It may be a film grounded in pretty CGI. It may be a film whose characters are all but the most recent generation of a computerized family line that stretches back through every video game cut sequence in history, but it’s still a film. It falls in line with outings more palatable to people who don’t spend hours each day shooting little 3D people in a virtual space, like Shrek or Wall-E do.
It pushes the envelope a little, but still stands as a very serious attempt to blur the boundaries between mainstream cinema that everyone enjoys while also nudging the greater population a little closer to the sort of visuals that any gamer will be so familiar with that one spends the occasional moment waiting for the cut scene to end so one can get back in direct control of the action. I know this is nerd arrogance, but during a few particularly spectacular scenes I did think to myself “ah, so *that’s* how they’re trying to sugar-coat the visuals to keep all the “other” people engaged and stop them falling asleep”. There is a nice heritage to Avatar, and it owes more to the work of graphics artists of games than it does to Pixar.
Besides these main themes, I was especially impressed that James Cameron resisted any deeply unwise urge to soften the female lead with any form of cartoon dragon, comic relief donkey or any other of countless “funny female companions” that seem only to serve as a foil to a love interest’s emotional intensity. This breed of sidekick is usually a shorthand for “the mystery of woman”, “intuition” or some other feminine quality that (if written well) should be within the female’s own power to unleash upon the typically clueless but loveable male lead. I didn’t expect a Jar Jar archetype (James Cameron is far too savvy for that) but I was worried I’d find a Fizgig or talking animal somewhere and thankfully none ever emerged to detract from the very realistic and well-rounded female Neytiri.
Yes, the plot is played very, very safe so as not to detract from the pretty visual detail. That didn’t bother me at all, it certainly didn’t bother me as much as reviews of the movie that seem to skate around exactly *how* the plot is played safe. It’s simple – the plot is the go-to screenplay of dozens of Hollywood films. Just off the top of my head I can name: The Last Samurai, Last of the Mohicans, Dances With Wolves, Fern Gully and Pocahontas...the list goes on and on. It’s the archetypal guilty conscience story for America and the entire developed western world. Yeah, we know we’re really the bad guys in just about every way that matters, but hey look – we’ve got a heart and deep inside feel bad about what the most powerful people in our societies are doing to you “savages” or whatever we’re calling you these days. We suck, now back to drilling for oil.
And yes, the CGI is amazing. It’s the first CGI I’ve seen where human or near-human characters actually look like all their shoulder and neck muscles are moving like a real persons’. There are no clichéd moments where a character turns around in a startled yet formulaic manner with wide eyes just for the benefit of the audience, and no moments where someone smiles and you can almost hear the Director shouting at the CGI artist that they need to make sure certain facial muscles pull and push “just-so“ for maximum dramatic-yet-unrealistic effect. Watching Avatar in 3-D helped to iron-out any small remaining imperfections in the animation – when you’re already viewing the film through tinted glasses that make even the living actors appear a little unreal, the CGI characters blend in seamlessly.
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Overall, I think the most surprising thing about Avatar is that its ending manages to avert not one but two hugely ubiquitous plot devices. With the “rebirth” mechanic thrust down the audience’s throat well before the denouement you’d be forgiven for expecting the obvious cliché ending where our hero rescues his female love interest from the “big bad” by sacrificing himself in a noble and totally unnecessary manner.
Or at least having the good sense to be mortally wounded, requiring the final wish-fulfillment rebirth.
It’s just not to be. The female lead does indeed find herself in trouble during the final scenes. But she doesn’t require the heroes’ help at all – in fact it’s she that kills the final monster, saving Jake’s life in a pleasantly unexpected role-reversal.
Not content with usurping just one hackneyed climax, she then ruins any remaining self respect the hero clings to by preventing him from performing any sort of dramatic self-sacrifice at all. Jake tries as best he can, dropping dead from asphyxiation due to the actions of the now-dead villain, but Neytiri simply shrugs this off as boyish nonsense and promptly revives him, saving his life for a possibly unprecedented second time. I sense Sigourney Weaver again here, with another wry smile.
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I just saw it today. I'll just repost my feelings from the comic and hero/villain culture forum.
As a student of game design, I have always held immersion in extremely high regard. The more a game can pull you out of the real world and into the world it inhabits, the better. A truly immersive game will construct a world that doesn't just serve as a playground for the player, but extends BEYOND what the player can see. There is also a technical side to this too. The less the player is reminded that they are playing a game, the better. Every glitch, every muddy texture or broken piece of geometry can yank the player back out of the world and remind them that yes, it is just in fact a game. (This is why the Metroid Prime series are my favorite games of all time. The immersion NEVER lets up.) That being said, Avatar is the most immersive movie I have EVER seen. The world of Pandora as it is presented in the film is not just another planet trying to look alien for the sake of cinema. You can sense that it extends FAR beyond what the eye can see. Every creature, every plant, hell, every stinkin rock has a place wholly separate from the plot. It is ALIVE. I think it says a lot that if there were one fictional planet I would want to explore, it would be Pandora (the previous one was Tallon IV). I really hope this movie gets a sequel, if only to explore what other bizarre and wonderful forms of life Pandora may hold. On the technical side of things, the movie is flawless. Yeah, the 3-D takes some getting used to (and yeah, you SHOULD see it in 3-D). But after about an hour or so, I got used to it. And it's not just 3-D for the sake of the gimmick either. There are no giant spears jabbed in your face or monsters launched at the screen, just a bit more depth, which serves to make the world that much more immersive. And that's not even mentioning the CG. GOOD GOD THE CG. This is probably the first movie to not only bypass the uncanny valley effect, but make an experience that is so much MORE convincing by being CG. The real thing that amazed me was the jungle itself. Every branch, every tree, every STINKING LEAF, was modeled individually. IT LOOKS PHENOMENAL. Yeah yeah, there have been some gripes about the story, and yes, it is an old one. But just because a story has been told before doesn't mean it's BAD. There is a reason such tales as the star crossed lovers and the heroes journey have been told again and again since time immemorial. Because they WORK. And simply put, the beauty of Avatar is in the way it tells a very old tale. So in other words, I liked it! |
In short, it's amazing, go see it.
In long:
Spoilers may abound. Be cautious.
I unfortunately didn't get to see it in 3D, but I was still blown away by it. It's utterly, jaw-droppingly gorgeous, backed up by strong acting and music. Yes, the plot is a little recycled, and yes, the symbolism is a little obvious at times, but it's still amazing. It is literally like nothing I've ever seen.
If you went into this movie blind, not knowing about the special effects, you would think to yourself "Where did they film this and how do I get there?" The Na'vi are on an entirely different level from CGI aliens before (Cough cough Star Wars). They look real, seamlessly blending with the human actors and the physical sets (when there are sets).
Another nice thing about is that the only thing vaguely Earth- and human-like about Pandora and the Na'vi is that the Na'vi are bipedal humanoids. And they have bows and arrows. Other than that, the biology, ecosystem, culture, language, and literally everything else are so radically different from our own that the alien planet actually seems alien. (On a side note, the planet actually seems like a planet with varied biomes rather than Forest Planet, Desert Planet, and Ice Planet of Star Wars fame)
One thing I also enjoyed immensely is that nearly everything is backed up by some kind of science-y thing. Why are Avatars and breath masks necessary? Because the atmosphere is toxic to humans. Why do the Avatars look like their actors? They're a blend of human and Na'vi DNA. Why do the Hallelujah Mountains have a weird electronics disrupting thing? A nerve center of the massive planetwide pseudo-brain is there. Why can they jump such large distances? The gravity is lower, and so on. The only thing that isn't really explained is why the mountains float. I think James Cameron just said "Let's make the mountains fly just for the sheer awesomeness of it."
In all, it's a stunning, game-changing movie that's literally on an entirely different level than anything you've ever seen. Don't listen to the critics who harsh on it because Oh no the plot's kind of the same as some other movies. With every movie, there's going to be people saying it sucked. Don't listen to them in this case.
When I saw the previews I had more movies coming to mind that what I was seeing, instead of Avatar I saw Fern Gully, Terminator, Aliens, Matrix Reloaded, The Abyss, Apocalypse Now, and a few other I can't think of off the top my head. But whatever, I'll still go an see it.
Some nice reviews in here, it makes me want to see this even more..
"Could 'Avatar' hit $1 billion?
"Avatar" sold a studio-estimated $232.2 million worth of tickets around the world this weekend, the ninth-biggest global debut of all time, the second-biggest for December. Perhaps more importantly, those who saw the movie enjoyed it. Every demographic gave "Avatar" an average grade of A.
Despite not yet having opened in Japan and China and frigid weather in northern Europe, it collected $159.2 million, the sixth-highest simultaneous foreign launch of all time.
With big grosses expected in those countries, where effects-laden tent-pole movies tend to do very well, and very strong momentum everywhere else, "Avatar" will almost certainly gross more than half a billion dollars internationally, and could become the fifth movie to ever top $1 billion in worldwide box office." -Los Angeles Times
Hmm, I wouldn't doubt it's possible. Hell the di vinci code capped 900 worldwide.
I watched this movie TWICE! And I loved it both times. The characters were so real. It was what I want in a movie..to draw me in and hold on til the end.
I give this film a serious meh. Ok, it was a good film. A really good film, but unfortunatly it fell into the Diablo 2 trap. For this youth, Diablo 2 was hyped beyond belief. Everyone spewed accolades for it before anyone actually played it. And while it was a really good game, there was no way it was gonna live up to the media hype around it. Avatar is the same thing. If it had just been brought to my attention the normal way, with a smattering of good and bad reviews, I probably would have been blown away by it, but the bar was set so high before evening slapping down $8, it was already down 0-2 in the bottom of the ninth. And of cource the lack of any sort of meaningful plot hurt. Terminator 2 pulled off the ground breaking effects, deep plot, and meaningful characters far better than Avatar did. 2 out of the 3 ain't bad.... or so Meat Loaf told me.
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I think I'm going to see this Wednesday in IMAX 3D.
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I probably would have been blown away by it, but the bar was set so high before evening slapping down $8, it was already down 0-2 in the bottom of the ninth..... or so Meat Loaf told me.
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$8 for a movie, is that a time portal in your pants. Props on the Meat Loaf drop.
Just got back from seeing this with my sister.
Phenomenal. Story is fairly predictable, but eff my ay its a stunning movie. Would recommend seeing it in 3d because while the glasses were a little uncomfortable it really, really adds to the enjoyment of the movie.
And if I can see it in 3d in Switzerland people in the States have no excuse
Shame my date didn't put out, but hey, thats life right?
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I went with some friends to see it today, and wasn't expecting much - looked kinda lame from the trailers, to me. Turned out to be a very cool movie, and the 3d/visuals were incredible.
As predictable as the story was, as many have said... this movie was beautiful, amazing, steller, and at times breathtaking. But if at all possible you MUST see it either in 3D or IMAX 3D! Pandora comes alive and the depth it brings to the movie is just amazing and makes it an EXPERIENCE!!!
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I saw avatar. Very good movie, definitely gonna buy it on blu-ray when it comes out.
I finally went and saw it and liked it. Definately one for the collection when it comes out.
I finally went and saw it and liked it. Definately one for the collection when it comes out.
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Have yet to see it, but I noticed it's over halfway to a billion in tickets worldwide, $615,168,000, and has yet to open in China and Japan, impressive.
Yes, the movie like so many of James Cameron's films was shamefully emotionally manipulative (thinking of frozen, floating babies in Titanic), but it worked so incredibly well I totally forgave him for it. Grown men and boys were in tears in my row. There was a particular sequence that was highly evocative of the terrorist attack of 911 that literally had me clutching my chest. I knew I was being totally emotionally manipulated, but I was loving it!!! Well played Mr. Cameron... Well played.
Beautiful! Splendid! Defintely try to see it in 3D. The beasts had me jumping out of my seat and talking to the screen (which I never do) "Look out!!" I want to go back again and do the IMAX experience this time.
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"Could 'Avatar' hit $1 billion? |
* Already fourth-biggest movie of all time * Poised to beat "Dark Knight" in North America
(updates with worldwide sales, more films in North America)
LOS ANGELES, Jan 3 (Reuters) - "Avatar" sped past the $1 billion mark at the worldwide box office after three weekends in release, making it the fourth-biggest movie of all time, according to data released on Sunday.
James Cameron's 3-D sci-fi epic earned $1.02 billion, powered by sales of $202 million during the New Year holiday weekend, distributor 20th Century Fox said.
The only movies ahead of it are Cameron's "Titanic" ($1.8 billion), "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" ($1.12 billion), and "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" ($1.07 billion).
North American moviegoers chipped in $68.3 million, setting a record for a film in its third weekend. The old mark of $45 million was set by "Spider-Man" in 2002.
After 17 days in cinemas across the United States and Canada, "Avatar" has earned $352.1 million, placing it at No. 15 among all movies in terms of ticket sales.
Fox, a unit of News Corp. (NWSA.O), forecast the film would end up in the $500 million range in the North American market.
Cameron's 1997 drama "Titanic," the biggest film of all time before accounting for inflation, earned $601 million, followed by 2008's "The Dark Knight" with $533 million. "Star Wars" currently holds the No. 3 berth with $461 million.
"This is like a freight train out of control," said Fox distribution executive Bert Livingston. "It just keeps on going."
Even "Titanic" could be threatened. When ticket-price inflation is included, that film had earned $241 million after 17 days, according to tracking firm Box Office Mojo.
FOREIGN SALES AT $670 MILLION
The international total for "Avatar" stands at $670.2 million. The film is playing virtually everywhere. It opened in China on Saturday, and will reach Italy -- its final market -- on Jan. 15."
Guess that answers that, for one damn rich director.
"Avatar" Box Office Seen Topping $75 Million in Debut"
"An ambitious, fully immersive cinematic experience."-Washington Post
"Avatar's shock and awe demand to be seen. You've never experienced anything like it,
and neither has anyone else."-Los Angeles Times
Anyone rushing to see it, in Imax preferably?
Wifes got the flue, so if you see it spill your review.