Damage output?

Most defender combinations should be able to out damage most controller combinations, definitely pre-epic level, and probably even after that.

I might decrease the gap between defender and corruptor damage slightly (I'd increase the damage of both those ATs, if there was a problem with either ATs population).

I am sorry Garent, I dont quite understand the relevance of your example.

Because, every character I develop places endurance recovery and endurance use pretty high on the list of "things-to-do", so the comparative performance of heroes all at zero endurance seems... odd to me. Afterall, once you hit zero endurance, your DPS plummets, for any AT. You would be comparing one small number to a large number slightly less often.

Also, I dont think that the numbers would have to be adjusted by a huge amount.
I am asking only for 15% more damage, which would save enough endurance to make me happy if I could also see some kind of inherent effect while solo. There are others that suggest even more damage, but the end result should not in any way infringe on Scrapper, Blaster, Corruptor or even Tanker DPS.

In the absence of a DPS boost, thats where my feelings regarding endurance efficiency come from. I am fine with being lower damage as an AT. After all I left Defenders shortly after launch and played controllers (prior to Containment). But doing less damage doesnt change the Health of the mobs in the game, so it requires more blasts AND time to defeat the same mobs as a high-dps AT. Being more efficient SHOULD be the counter-balance. I could be wrong, but what would be a better counter-weight in your opinion ?

It's something that happens very often at low levels.

Agreed.

I just have never heard this as a reason why being more endurance efficient would be bad.
Not having run the numbers, you could be right, but I dont think the kind of endurance savings I am thinking about (15-20%) would put defenders higher than scrappers or blasters at that point. I have been wrong before.

My vote is for it being an indication of a real issue, perhaps more perception than reality, but an issue in either event.

I will be staying with Defenders personally. But thats just me being me. I dont play villains.

Its probably safe to say that the Developers will be monitoring the AT populations closely after GR to see what happens. /emote prays

I'm the opposite. I wish I could turn my corruptor into a defender. Most of his damage comes from procs in the area attacks, so I'd be gaining much greater defense while taking a loss in single target damage. I would definitely miss the scourge-tastic ice storm though.

Edit: Crud! I'd lose my awesome spirit sharks attack if he was a defender. Forget everything I said.

When GR comes out, you can play a Corruptor and have him join the resistance and enter Paragon at level 20, so technically "Hero AT" and "Villain AT" will become meaningless except for the Epic ATs.

That's partly why I'd like the defender to be revisited.