I think it just depends on the villain. You can psycho mass murderers like Carnage, businessmen like Lex Luthor, or even honorable thieves like Carmen Sandiego. The trick is finding the right way to offer content for all types of villainy.
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Originally Posted by The_Larker
I guess I just don't get why you would want to play a villain when you don't want to be a villain.
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I want to because playing CoV is the only way to get Brutes right now.
I'm going to play villains because I cannot wait for Going Rogue to launch and I want to play a Brute right now.
I never even thought about playing a villain until they announced GR.
Finally being able to have a high damaging Super Strength character.
Basically...the reason I'm going to play villains when I don't want to be a villain is because I'm impatient.
I'd have to say my experience of redside was actually a bit disappointing because everything we were doing seemed identical to blueside behavior. We were almost always rescuing someone and defeating bad guys.
The main content that seemed authentic to me were the various theft missions and bank robberies.
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Haha ok....I can understand that.Then have at it then,just make sure you do check ParaWiki for the contacts per zone to see if any are going to be not for you.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
I want to because of Going Rogue.
I want to because playing CoV is the only way to get Brutes right now. I'm going to play villains because I cannot wait for Going Rogue to launch and I want to play a Brute right now. I never even thought about playing a villain until they announced GR. Finally being able to have a high damaging Super Strength character. Basically...the reason I'm going to play villains when I don't want to be a villain is because I'm impatient. |
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Originally Posted by NightErrant
I can't do evil... yet the opening Blueside areas drive me mad in comparison...
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Seriously, I've been trying to get them to revamp the lower levels of blueside since I started with the game, back in 2005.
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No kidding, none of my villain characters are over 20 because of this. Add to this the fact that we´re limited to playing most of the game in a place were everyone is a villain anyway and it takes the edge off the evilness of any character you make.|
Originally Posted by konshu
I'd have to say my experience of redside was actually a bit disappointing because everything we were doing seemed identical to blueside behavior. We were almost always rescuing someone and defeating bad guys.
The main content that seemed authentic to me were the various theft missions and bank robberies. |
If more of Cov happened in Paragon City it wouldn´t seem so dull.
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Actually, there are some CoV mission texts that either outwardly state that you're killing someone or which strongly imply killing
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Originally Posted by beyeajus74018
nope, it's all "defeat"
"defeat" them with your assault rifle "defeat"them with your lethal arrows "defeat" them by caving in their skulls with a mace "defeat"......well....you get it |
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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Originally Posted by Crimson Vanquisher
No kidding, none of my villain characters are over 20 because of this. Add to this the fact that we´re limited to playing most of the game in a place were everyone is a villain anyway and it takes the edge off the evilness of any character you make.
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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Mmm, I don't know. Sonata has you kidnap a woman to be his sex toy, and Maros has you help arrange the devastation of a city in "Steal the devices from Longbow" just to manipulate Doctor Theron.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
The Technician Naylor arcs are fairly neutral, Johnny Sonata's too. Oh, and there's Diviner Maros.
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Heh... that and snarky civilians on the street who say things like "My, aren't you looking villainous today?" rather than running away or cowering in fear. I bet if I could smack them with my axe, they'd run away |
Originally Posted by konshu
I'd have to say my experience of redside was actually a bit disappointing because everything we were doing seemed identical to blueside behavior. We were almost always rescuing someone and defeating bad guys.
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Man, even lvl 1 Hellion minions manage to scare off passing civilians...
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RAAADIIIOOO! RAAAAADIIIIIOOOOO! Free Opportunity!|
Originally Posted by all_hell
Well, we do drop off plague in a city. Presumably that has some non-benign consequences.
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That said, unlike some people here, I truly revel in the really evil parts of CoV. I cackled, for example, all through that one mission where I'm suppose to take innocent civilians to the Vahzilok. Plus, I remember giggling with glee after blasting that Warshade Romulus apart with the Void Hunter rifle.
Ahh... I revel in evil. It feels so therapeutic.
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How else am I going to satisfy my megalomaniacal vanity?
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Originally Posted by Smurch
Do you really think that any one man, no matter how good intentioned, should be allowed to reshape the world and the people living in it? Do you really?
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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And I like to play through Westin Phipps' missions when I haven't shaved my mustache for a few weeks. Gives me something to twirl while I cackle |
Originally Posted by Scythus
RAAADIIIOOO! RAAAAADIIIIIOOOOO! Free Opportunity!
That said, unlike some people here, I truly revel in the really evil parts of CoV. I cackled, for example, all through that one mission where I'm suppose to take innocent civilians to the Vahzilok. Plus, I remember giggling with glee after blasting that Warshade Romulus apart with the Void Hunter rifle. Ahh... I revel in evil. It feels so therapeutic. |
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I've thought about it a lot, and I've come to realize that all of my criminal tendencies and flamboyant fashion choices came from two sources: books and other reading material, and more importantly, video games. Video games and books. You can't forget the negative impact of the books too. If those books hadn't expanded my horizons, I would have just been a violent social misfit because of video games. One alone can do irreparable damage, but both together, well, you can see the results.
If you don't want your children to become violent criminals bent on world conquest, then you need to act immediately. Don't let them play video games. Keep them away from books. And you'd probably better keep them inside, too. I'd suggest that you replace those other activities with something better. Something that can heal them. I'd suggest Television. I often wish I'd watched more TV as a youth. Who knows what I could have been?
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Eh, I meant from the perspective of a hero.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
How else am I going to satisfy my megalomaniacal vanity?
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From a villain perspective it's more the fact that *I'M* not the one making the decision, but Scirocco is and we get to see where that leads with Mistral.
Either way he must be stopped.
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
I've thought about it a lot, and I've come to realize that all of my criminal tendencies and flamboyant fashion choices came from two sources: books and other reading material, and more importantly, video games. Video games and books. You can't forget the negative impact of the books too. If those books hadn't expanded my horizons, I would have just been a violent social misfit because of video games. One alone can do irreparable damage, but both together, well, you can see the results. If you don't want your children to become violent criminals bent on world conquest, then you need to act immediately. Don't let them play video games. Keep them away from books. And you'd probably better keep them inside, too. I'd suggest that you replace those other activities with something better. Something that can heal them. I'd suggest Television. I often wish I'd watched more TV as a youth. Who knows what I could have been? |
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Originally Posted by Smurch
Eh, I meant from the perspective of a hero.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Phipps' arc is despicable since you wind up poisoning food of the poor and causing children to go blind. It happens 'off camera' but it prompted me to send a report to the ESRB to take away CoV's 'Teen Rating' for which that arc is incompatible. There's a reason there are almost no children NPCs in the game, and blinding them off-camera is not a valid work around if you're aspiring to a rating that allows the most sales.
Maybe I should make a MA arc with custom NPCs as child-like as I can make them and have them wandering around crying because they're the Grandville poison victims. Let the Devs wade through that arc...
WRT to leading citizens to the Vahz as 'subjects': You can train the Longbow on the map to the same location to kill off the Vahz. Just sayin.
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I don't believe it is. Reading the ESRB's guide to their ratings, it sounds like it's compatable for 13+ years of age. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Phipps' arc is despicable since you wind up poisoning food of the poor and causing children to go blind. It happens 'off camera' but it prompted me to send a report to the ESRB to take away CoV's 'Teen Rating' for which that arc is incompatible.
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TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.
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Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
It's clearly not an M rated arc.
Given the definitions by the ESRB:
Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict. May contain bloodless dismemberment
Violent References - References to violent acts
Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death
It's definitely not Intense Violence. It's actually just violent references.
Sounds like CoV could actually be a touch more violent than it actually is and keep a T rating.
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This is over the top mental slavery.
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Originally Posted by Smurch
Actually, there are some CoV mission texts that either outwardly state that you're killing someone or which strongly imply killing
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Some victims are already dead, but the rest you explicitly kill.
(Admittedly, the people you do kill are Council, Arachnos, and Freakshow, but still...)
And the souvenir calls it an "innocuous" task.
I've seen a few AE missions and arcs that encourage you to beat up Phipps 
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That's one of my favorite missions. I just did it today on my new brute.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Phipps' arc is despicable since you wind up poisoning food of the poor and causing children to go blind. It happens 'off camera' but it prompted me to send a report to the ESRB to take away CoV's 'Teen Rating' for which that arc is incompatible. There's a reason there are almost no children NPCs in the game, and blinding them off-camera is not a valid work around if you're aspiring to a rating that allows the most sales.
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Peace through power! Freedom is slavery!
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a yo-yo
Blinding the children in the Gutter is actually a kindness. It means they can't see what a **** pile they live in
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Blinding the children in the Gutter is actually a kindness. It means they can't see what a **** pile they live in
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Sonata is interesting in that the morality actually fluctuates quite a bit. In ways you're helping a guy who sold his soul when he was younger and foolish but on the flip side it shows that he probably doesn't deserve it back both in a few of his actions and that it implies that he becomes an even more cold hearted guy afterwards.|
Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Mmm, I don't know. Sonata has you kidnap a woman to be his sex toy, and Maros has you help arrange the devastation of a city in "Steal the devices from Longbow" just to manipulate Doctor Theron.
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While a few more explicit missions of both ruthless evil and merc/antihero acts are needed, I think subtlety helps. For instance, St Martial has at least two confirmed escort services which fits in with the casino theme of the island but isn't overdone to the point of being trashy.
So I'm guessing you can't wrap your around why not everyone steals or robs banks or kills people?
Joking aside...it's really psychologically for me.
Even if I break it down to the fact that it's just a video game...I can play CoV and obviously not actually be evil...but I just have more fun playing a hero.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.