What Are Heroes Running FROM?

You can do it in arena matches with similarly minded people. I've done this on the rare occasion I find a similarly minded person to do it with, and it's great fun. It's more than a bit of a kludge, but it's still fun.

If anyone wants to do that on virtue sometime, let me know.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

WRONG! If you're in the zone, you're:

1. PVP
2. Shivan Strike
3. Badging

Only one of the three REQUIRE that you actually engage in PVP. The other two merely have the additional threat value of other players added to the endeavor.

And, yet again, someone trying to tell other people what, where and how to play.

Hint: You do not dictate how other people utilize the game. Please commit this to memory.

No. You're consenting to the POSSIBILITY of PVP encounters. You're not required to engage in them if you don't desire to.

Oh please. Just shut up now. Seriously.

Even if, in some bizarro universe, you were somehow right, the agreement is NOT with you or any of the other players in the zone. It's with an immobile, noncombatant NPC.

Again, since when has running in PVP NOT been a valid tactic?

And I'm sorry, you wouldn't recognize sportsmanship if you stepped in it.

This isn't fiteklub.

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Keep reading the thread to the part where we clear all this up. You're having the wrong argument.

You may want to especially read this post:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=386


I'm sorry but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

Neither do you. Yet you continue to post as if you have some sort of clue; you're stealing my thunder Smurch, I don't like that.

Please tell me who you are on Virtue. I'll gladly farm you all around RV. This Paix? or lolOutlaw?

lol

Wait Paix still plays? I don't think I've seen Outlaw in awhile either...

Not sure why you keep trying to bait me.

I don't know who those people are, and as I've repeatedly said, I'm not a regular PVPer. I just pop into the zones once in a while. They're usually empty when I do, so I either run zone missions or just leave (or log out to get Predator). I sure don't know who you are or where this chip on your shoulder has come from.

As for who I am in the game, I have about 30 characters on virtue. None of them are named "Paix" or "lolAnything".

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

Yup, Paix is back. But he says he won't be coming back to any of the farm zones. I miss farming him. Atleast his regen was somewhat entertaining to farm.

We chased Outlaw out. He's been on Freedom with the rest of the Elite PvPers.

Farm zones?

Then please...i'm begging you. Stop posting as if you have any clue; that's my thing. I'm good at it.

You don't seem to comprehend that this talk of honor, fairness, sportsmanship and respect.. have no place in zone PvP. It's a free-for-all, anything goes. There are NO RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. If you want your sense of honor, justice, sportsmanship and respect...please by all means, use the Arena.

Just stop whining about the zones being what they are and how people choose to engage or disengage in combat.

That's what we call SC and RV on Virtue. Makes much more sense than calling them PvP zone.

I'm going to disagree. Looking at this situation in comic books as well as in real life, most people are just not going to fight to the death if they have any say in it. Villains, in particular, may have very valid RP reasons for getting the heck out of there once things turn sour. Heroes may simply feel that, since they failed to arrest you, getting out of there is the best option so that they don't die for the mistake.


I agree with you that this attitude is unwarranted. Anyone in a PVP zone is a potential target. I also think this applies to people who feel entitled to the special perks available in PVP zones by calling them "PVE content." That said, from a role playing perspective it's totally valid to me that a slain *character* would be upset about being attacked.

I never said anything about honor nor justice nor fairness. You're putting words into my mouth. I don't think PVP should be "fair" or "just" nor have "honor" (if you mean what I think you mean by those words - the mythical level playing field). I never said so. What I did say is you should be a good sport. And that's not just about PVP.

I think any time you engage in a competition (and I play alot of games, both at the tabletop and online) you should comport yourself with sportsmanship. I know not everyone agrees with this and some people instead believe in gamesmanship. In fact, I'm sure I'm in the minority position. I know I'm in the minority position amongst the PVP "elitists" most of whom seem to take gamesmanship to an antisocial extreme.

However, I don't approve of that. I believe sportsmanship makes for a better game for everyone all around and one should always treat one's opponents with respect, be it on the chessboard or in a game. I disapprove of it when people act like poor sports. Just like I disapprove of it when someone's rude to me at the grocery store or when someone's being too loud at the movie theater. It's just part of being a civilized human being in my eyes, to comport yourself with a sense of mutual respect for every individual and to do your best to exercise good sportsmanship when engaging in a competition, and being polite to someone when you see them at the grocery store.

Nothing in PVP prohibits someone from being a gracious winner and a good loser.

That's my opinion and I'm choosing to express that. If that upsets you, then that's your problem. I'm standing by it.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

We're not in a comic book nor in real life. We're playing a game together. It just seems to be poor form to refuse to play unless you're guaranteed a win. I can't feel otherwise. I'd certainly never do that to someone else.

Yes, but that's not really what I was talking about. It's the sense of entitlement by some players.

If someone actually ever once RPed with me in a PVP zone, they could get away with bloody murder, I'd be so happy.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

ORLY?

Hey, that's fine. I'll let someone else tell you, you're wrong.

Respect for the player is one thing. But don't expect people to not run away so that you can get that last kill in. That has nothing to do with respect. That's the nature of PvP, There are no rules of engagement in zone pvp.

Now who's failing to comprehend who?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

le sigh...

So, Boomie. How bout them Dolphins?

Man that sucks Paix won't be back to the zones. Also why would Outlaw go to freedom when he had alot of fans on Virtue to stroke his ego?

I haven't followed any sport this year. I think as the years go by I care less and less of sports.

I wonder what dolphin tastes like...

Outlaw as in Outlaw Immortal? That really bad Fire/Mental Blaster that thinks he's hot **** because he can occasionally steal a kill and almost always has Hibernate, phase, the jump pack, and the draw range bug to fall back on if things don't go his way, and refuses to step foot into the arena even though he thinks he's God's greatest gift to PvP? I haven't seen him, even on Freedom, in several weeks now.

I engage in competition as the rules of engagement allow me to. The rules of engagement allow me to start a fight against a player who is not aware I'm there, or isn't prepared to fight me. The rules of engagement allow me to have a team of eight spike a solo opponent. The rules of engagement allow me to get out of a situation I don't want to be in (to a point, the travel suppression and heal decay changes made it a bit more difficult, but it's more often than not the non-PvPers who are "hurt" by this). Unsurprisingly, the rules of engagement allow my opponents to do the exact same thing to me - except I am constantly expecting it so I am prepared when it happens. In short, I do everything the rules allow me to do in order to win, and I do everything the rules allow me to do in order to not lose. If the person I'm getting away from can't finish me off as I'm trying to get away, that's their issue, not mine.

If I see a player in a PvP zone and I don't have a good reason to not attack them, you're damn right I'll go after them. They're in a PvP zone, I'm in a PvP zone, and they just so happen to be a member of the opposite faction (or just con orange in the case of Warburg). At that point, they have three choices: 1) fight back, 2) run, 3) leave until I'm gone. I don't disparage someone for making any of those choices, because I fully expect most PvEers to hightail it as soon as I start attacking them. If I kill them and they keep coming back, that's more rep and more chances at a PvP IO drop for me. Sooner or later they'll wise up and figure out what I'm doing, and then it might get interesting. If not, oh well. Best-case scenario, they'll actually stop and ask me questions about my build and their build, and we'll have a friendly conversation, and I just might have managed to bring in a new PvPer. Of course, many PvEers would rather just log off in frustration or suffer in silence instead of trying to actually figure out what's going on, but that's neither here nor there.

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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."

That sounds about right. Him and Paix used to have fiteclubbers stroking their ego's in RV on Virtue.