No. For the bajillion reasons stated in all the bajillions of previous suggestions of the same or similar idea.
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No. For the bajillion reasons stated in all the bajillions of previous suggestions of the same or similar idea.
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
I think that Veteran Rewards should be made purchasable. Something along the lines of $1 per month. (So, 3 per reward.)
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"Dear NCSoft and development team,
Despite my failure to keep my subscription active in order to qualify for veteran rewards, and thereby depriving you of between $30 and $45 for each three month period, I believe you should sell me those same rewards for $3, a discount of 90% or more, and allow me to access them immediately. The fact that everyone else has had to pay that $30-45 and wait for up to five and a half years for their veteran rewards should not, in any way, sway your decision.
In short, gimme stuff, and thanks for being stupid, gullible and terrible at math and finances. Suckers.
Love,
BB"
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No.
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*sniff* It's times like this when I realize how much I love Luminara.
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Originally Posted by Luminara
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"Dear NCSoft and development team, Despite my failure to keep my subscription active in order to qualify for veteran rewards, and thereby depriving you of between $30 and $45 for each three month period, I believe you should sell me those same rewards for $3, a discount of 90% or more, and allow me to access them immediately. The fact that everyone else has had to pay that $30-45 and wait for up to five and a half years for their veteran rewards should not, in any way, sway your decision. In short, gimme stuff, and thanks for being stupid, gullible and terrible at math and finances. Suckers. Love, BB" Translation matrix disengaged. No. |
Luminara's response was better than the one I had in mind.
No.
Though I too think Luminara's post was priceless...
Would it be okay to have a pool of Vet rewards to pick from at each step? Say a Power Tier that includes all of the Vet Powers, a Costume Tier that includes all of the costume bits, etc.
Then, whenever a costume or power is offered as a Vet Reward, one can CHOOSE which of the powers or costumes or whatever they want. That way, they would have the same number of rewards that they qualify for, and the same range of rewards (they wouldn't have all of the good Vet Rewards by 15 months...) but would still not have to wait as long if the only thing they really want is say, the Boxing Outfit.
-1 on this all this does is make ppl who played for 1 month feel just as special as a person who played 60 to get all the vets
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The only problem with being able to choose is that once the person has chosen everything he likes he'll *****, moan, and complain that the remaining rewards all suck, and he has no reason to continue trying to get them.|
Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven
Though I too think Luminara's post was priceless...
Would it be okay to have a pool of Vet rewards to pick from at each step? Say a Power Tier that includes all of the Vet Powers, a Costume Tier that includes all of the costume bits, etc. Then, whenever a costume or power is offered as a Vet Reward, one can CHOOSE which of the powers or costumes or whatever they want. That way, they would have the same number of rewards that they qualify for, and the same range of rewards (they wouldn't have all of the good Vet Rewards by 15 months...) but would still not have to wait as long if the only thing they really want is say, the Boxing Outfit. |
It might be nice if they limited which of vet rewards you could choose. Say the costume pieces. When it's time for a costume reward we could choose one from a list.
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Originally Posted by Luminara
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"Dear NCSoft and development team, Despite my failure to keep my subscription active in order to qualify for veteran rewards, and thereby depriving you of between $30 and $45 for each three month period, I believe you should sell me those same rewards for $3, a discount of 90% or more, and allow me to access them immediately. The fact that everyone else has had to pay that $30-45 and wait for up to five and a half years for their veteran rewards should not, in any way, sway your decision. In short, gimme stuff, and thanks for being stupid, gullible and terrible at math and finances. Suckers. Love, BB" Translation matrix disengaged. No. |
Yeah, except that my account was inactive for all that time and they wouldn't have made that money regardless.
As far as I can tell, people don't pay upwards of $45 a month solely for Vet Rewards, they pay to access and play this great game.
Bottom line, they make more money. Now, if other Veterans feel cheated, that's a different matter altogether.
Would you still object if it was $10 per reward month and, as per my original suggestion, only available up to your original registration date?
Vets are something you unlock as a reward for playing so long not some I WANT MEH VETS NOAW! *buys*
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Isn't that the point? If you had stayed subscribed.... you wouldn't be asking about this, and they would have gotten more money. Instead, you chose to unsubscribe, and now are asking for the same stuff that others got by paying a lot less money to Paragon Studios than those who stayed subscribed did...
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
Yeah, except that my account was inactive for all that time and they wouldn't have made that money regardless.
As far as I can tell, people don't pay upwards of $45 a month solely for Vet Rewards, they pay to access and play this great game. Bottom line, they make more money. Now, if other Veterans feel cheated, that's a different matter altogether. Would you still object if it was $10 per reward month and, as per my original suggestion, only available up to your original registration date? |
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Which then leads to complaints about "all" of the veteran rewards being "crap" by the players who picked what they wanted early. It can also be argued that more customers would cancel their accounts sooner, since they "got what they wanted" and saw nothing to encourage them to continue to subscribe. Or people who only kept their accounts active for one quarter of every year, just so they could get whatever new rewards were released, thus depriving the company of three fourths of their potential revenue.|
Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven
Though I too think Luminara's post was priceless...
Would it be okay to have a pool of Vet rewards to pick from at each step? Say a Power Tier that includes all of the Vet Powers, a Costume Tier that includes all of the costume bits, etc. Then, whenever a costume or power is offered as a Vet Reward, one can CHOOSE which of the powers or costumes or whatever they want. That way, they would have the same number of rewards that they qualify for, and the same range of rewards (they wouldn't have all of the good Vet Rewards by 15 months...) but would still not have to wait as long if the only thing they really want is say, the Boxing Outfit. |
Veteran rewards serve two purposes-- little gestures of appreciation to people who keep their accounts active, and enticement for players to continue to keep their accounts active.
Those are the reasons veteran rewards exist. That is their purpose, reward and enticement. Change how they're awarded and you change that purpose, and they no longer have meaning or value as veteran rewards, nor as incentive to maintain an account.
I work a low wage job, washing dishes and scrubbing floors. I was forced to let my account lapse for a year due to HDD failure and unemployment. No-one knows better than I do how frustrating it can be to look at upcoming rewards and know that it'll be months or years before I can have them, but I still don't, and never will, support any change to the veteran rewards system because it doesn't need to be changed. It's fair, it's reasonable and it works. Changing them in any way is a lose-lose situation for NCSoft and the developers, and most of the players.
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Chose is rather a strong word.
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Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven
Instead, you chose to unsubscribe, and now are asking for the same stuff that others got by paying a lot less money to Paragon Studios than those who stayed subscribed did...
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I ask again; Hypothetically, were it offered at the same price as subscription rates and limited to the registration date of the account, would you still oppose it?
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Originally Posted by Luminara
I work a low wage job, washing dishes and scrubbing floors. I was forced to let my account lapse for a year due to HDD failure and unemployment. No-one knows better than I do how frustrating it can be to look at upcoming rewards and know that it'll be months or years before I can have them, but I still don't, and never will, support any change to the veteran rewards system because it doesn't need to be changed. It's fair, it's reasonable and it works. Changing them in any way is a lose-lose situation for NCSoft and the developers, and most of the players.
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Oh? How can you NOT have chosen to do it then?
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
Chose is rather a strong word.
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Moved across the country, didn't have a computer OR an internet connection for quite a while and my last payment on the account was via Time Card. Sure, I could have went to an internet cafe and subscribed to the game via credit card to keep my account active just in case they developed Veteran rewards for the game (which they obviously did.)|
Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven
Oh? How can you NOT have chosen to do it then?
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Either way, it's not specifically about me, though I did use myself as an example. My main question, I guess, boils down to "At what price would it be reasonable for people to buy Veteran Rewards that they had missed due to their accounts being closed?"
I am not, and haven't been, talking about people starting a new account and buying up a bunch of Veteran Rewards, to some replies that seemed to be objecting to it on those grounds.
I think the only fair price would be full price.
If one were to have subscribed 6 months ago, and now only have 3 months worth of Vet Status, then I should think $45 dollars ought to cover the other 3 months to get the Vet reward. I could get behind that.
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Am I to assume that you were moved, versus you DECIDED to move? Otherwise, there is choice involved.
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
Moved across the country, didn't have a computer OR an internet connection for quite a while and my last payment on the account was via Time Card. Sure, I could have went to an internet cafe and subscribed to the game via credit card to keep my account active just in case they developed Veteran rewards for the game (which they obviously did.)
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But they did make that money from other players who kept their accounts active and earned those rewards. That sets the precedent and ground rules, that veteran rewards are purchasable with exactly one currency-- time accrued on an active account. As such, NCSoft is not obligated to sell veteran rewards for any other form of currency. Nor is anyone entitled to purchase those rewards with any other form of currency.|
Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
Yeah, except that my account was inactive for all that time and they wouldn't have made that money regardless.
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| As far as I can tell, people don't pay upwards of $45 a month solely for Vet Rewards, they pay to access and play this great game. |
But that's neither here nor there. Whether or not some players pay their subscription fees regularly strictly to accumulate veteran rewards is irrelevant. What is relevant is that we have many, many players who maintain their accounts not only to play but also to build time toward veteran rewards. They, we (i include myself in this group), keep accounts active for that month here and there when interest has waned, time has not permitted play or real life has intruded, and that is why veteran rewards were implemented, what they were designed to accomplish.
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| Bottom line, they make more money. Now, if other Veterans feel cheated, that's a different matter altogether. |
No, they don't make more money.
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| Would you still object if it was $10 per reward month and, as per my original suggestion, only available up to your original registration date? |
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Consistently and without hesitation.
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
I ask again; Hypothetically, were it offered at the same price as subscription rates and limited to the registration date of the account, would you still oppose it?
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The price has already been set. Pay for a subscription and get the reward when the subscribed time has been achieved. That is the reasonable price. | Either way, it's not specifically about me, though I did use myself as an example. My main question, I guess, boils down to "At what price would it be reasonable for people to buy Veteran Rewards that they had missed due to their accounts being closed?" |
If you canceled your account, left, or whatever, TOUGH. GET OVER IT.
Sometimes NO means just that. NO.
Did it ever occour to you that Veteran rewards are to reward you for playing the game for X month, not for having the game for X months.
It's the Dev's way of saying thankyou for your loyalty to the game, we appreciate the time and money you have put into the game so we can improve the gaming experience for you =)
Lets take an example. If you have 2 children, you ask them if they tidy their room they'll get a nice tasty treat. Then give them the treat regardless wether they tidy their room of not. It teaches them they don't need to work to get what they want. Now i'm pretty sure your not a child but it's the same principle, even if you know you have to work for rewards it's still good to keep reminding yourself of that with things such as this, because it is easier to take things for granted than it is to appreciate what you have.
This universal point stands tall, and always will
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None, as purchasing them (even "back-purchasing" them) makes them cease to be veteran rewards. |
Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
Either way, it's not specifically about me, though I did use myself as an example. My main question, I guess, boils down to "At what price would it be reasonable for people to buy Veteran Rewards that they had missed due to their accounts being closed?" |
If you want to purchase shinies, there are the costume packs.
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
I think that Veteran Rewards should be made purchasable. Something along the lines of $1 per month. (So, 3 per reward.)
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| It would allow people who have had their accounts inactive for periods to make amends and get some of the rewards. |
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Originally Posted by je_saist
The price has already been set. Pay for a subscription and get the reward when the subscribed time has been achieved. That is the reasonable price.
If you canceled your account, left, or whatever, TOUGH. GET OVER IT. Sometimes NO means just that. NO. |
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I think that Veteran Rewards should be made purchasable. Something along the lines of $1 per month. (So, 3 per reward.)
As a caveat, however, you should only be able to get rewards up to your account purchase date. It would allow people who have had their accounts inactive for periods to make amends and get some of the rewards.
Yeah, so my account was started April 18th, 2004 and I only have the 27 month vet reward... wanna fight about it?