Time to merge some servers???


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A forum search would have gotten you an answer as well.


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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre View Post
It's true, server merges are a bad idea.

But that's no reason to jump down the man's throat just because he hasnt already had this discussion a dozen times.
He asked. When you ask, you need to be prepared for the responses you get.

Part of people's dislike of the idea stems from the ignorance involved in people repeatedly bringing it up because they can't be tasked with looking to see the prior discussions (even though they should, according to the rules).

It's not hard to sit down and think out why it's not a good idea. If you can't do that, it's even easier to use a search tool to find out why it's not a good idea.

If there's blowback for not doing either of those two easy things, whose fault is it?


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Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
This appears to be true.


False. While I have seen it ranked as low as fifth, it DOES still often rank as #3. Maybe time of day is a factor, I dunno. But "no longer is remotely close" is patently untrue.
While it may sometimes creep up the list to third in number of players currently online, I doubt anyone would say with a straight face that Infinity is the third largest server.

But now, I am not making the case that Infinity is a small server. But it is one experiencing a marked shrinkage of population, which will make it FEEL smaller, as the locals are used to a higher population.



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Thanks Je, you beat me to it.

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Originally Posted by Redmanfx View Post
I don't have a problem. I like my server, it's nice with mostly vets. This was a post for discussion and I haven't seen many merger post so if your tired of seeing them then don't post in them and jump all over me for just passing time since the game is down.
So in other words your not in favor of your own idea but you felt like posting it anyway?


Sure today is the first day of the rest of your life. But so was yesterday. And look how that turned out.


 

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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad View Post
It's not hard to sit down and think out why it's not a good idea. If you can't do that, it's even easier to use a search tool to find out why it's not a good idea.

It's not a bad idea, just one that nobody likes.


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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad View Post
He asked. When you ask, you need to be prepared for the responses you get.

Part of people's dislike of the idea stems from the ignorance involved in people repeatedly bringing it up because they can't be tasked with looking to see the prior discussions (even though they should, according to the rules).

It's not hard to sit down and think out why it's not a good idea. If you can't do that, it's even easier to use a search tool to find out why it's not a good idea.

If there's blowback for not doing either of those two easy things, whose fault is it?
And some of us don't live on the forums and troll them like it's obvious some do. And to those I say sorry to make you feel like you have to say anything. Lord knows you can't ignore post that repeat topics.


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It's not a bad idea, just one that nobody likes.
Ideas are bad when they don't solve the problem they intend to solve.
Ideas are bad when there is already a solution that accomplishes the same thing the idea tries to fix.
Ideas are bad when they have unintended effects that are detrimental to the continued health of the game.

People don't like ideas that are bad. This one is both unliked and bad.


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
We need copypasta in here. But I'll sum it up for you.

1) Someone posts this thread/idea/concept once a week.

2) Some people like small servers. Getting rid of small servers by merging them is bad.

3) If you don't like your server, move. If you aren't willing to move, then it's not someone else's job to fix the problem.

if transfers were free this would be a reasonable solution.

But since they arent, volunteering other peoples money seems like a well..unfriendly thing to do.

I do think lower pop servers need to be merged, I play on virtue and justice, and Ive just about given up on my justice characters because its impossible to find a team on justice except during prime time. Even early or late I can find teams on Virtue.

Though I dont feel strong enough to make a big fuss about it since virtue is experiance a surge in population from transfers from lower pop servers.

Which I actually think is the plan, milk as much cash from people transfering off low pops till it hits a critical low population.


Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.

 

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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre View Post
How dare a member of our community try to strike up a conversation! Quick, let's punish this miscreant, 'er he tries it again!
Does that mean it's okay for all of us to start new threads about pure respecs and server merging whenever we get bored?


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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

 

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Originally Posted by Shubbie View Post
if transfers were free this would be a reasonable solution.

But since they arent, volunteering other peoples money seems like a well..unfriendly thing to do.
No doubt.



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Originally Posted by Redmanfx View Post
And some of us don't live on the forums and troll them like it's obvious some do. And to those I say sorry to make you feel like you have to say anything. Lord knows you can't ignore post that repeat topics.
Just because you don't post often doesn't mean you're exempt from the rules. I'm not trolling the forums, I'm here for the same reason you are, the game is down.

Pro forum tip #1:
Disagreement does not automatically equal trolling.

Pro forum tip #2:
Implying people with a lot of posts are the ones with a problem doesn't help you make a case.


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
Does that mean it's okay for all of us to start new threads about pure respecs and server merging whenever we get bored?
It's fine with me. You have my permission.

But then again, I don't think it's my job to moderate the boards. And even if it was, I wouldn't do it with the negative attitude I am seeing here.



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And to those I say sorry to make you feel like you have to say anything. Lord knows you can't ignore post that repeat topics.
The game is down unexpectedly. Where else would you expect to find us?


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if transfers were free this would be a reasonable solution.

But since they arent, volunteering other peoples money seems like a well..unfriendly thing to do.
And volunteering other people's community or character names isn't? The mind boggles.


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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad View Post
Just because you don't post often doesn't mean you're exempt from the rules. I'm not trolling the forums, I'm here for the same reason you are, the game is down.

Pro forum tip #1:
Disagreement does not automatically equal trolling.

Pro forum tip #2:
Implying people with a lot of posts are the ones with a problem doesn't help you make a case.
So express why you don't like the idea and don't attack the poster. Is that really that hard? You attacked the poster, so you attacked me. Find that in your Pro forum tips or don't they apply to you?


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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad View Post
And volunteering other people's community or character names isn't? The mind boggles.
There are ways to deal with this.

You could offer free transfers off a server that is going to be merged. Offer free name change tokens.

Or you could skip the merge and just offer free transfers off dying servers.

But right now it makes too much sense to milk the transfer fees.

So they wont.


Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.

 

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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre View Post
It's true, server merges are a bad idea.

But that's no reason to jump down the man's throat just because he hasnt already had this discussion a dozen times.
Don't look at it that way. I don't.
  • Sometimes, there are dead horse topics, that keep being brought up, over and over and over and over
  • If posters search (as we are supposed to), then they will find if an idea has already discussed to death, and would just be another drama fest if posted again.
  • Cut and pastes, and quick decisive answers, are not just to grind the poster into the ground.
Instead, they are to stop the dead horse from getting up steam again.

As Barney Fife would say, "We've gotta nip it in the bud! . . . Nip it . . . in the bud!".

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Originally Posted by Redmanfx View Post
So express why you don't like the idea and don't attack the poster. Is that really that hard? You attacked the poster, so you attacked me. Find that in your Pro forum tips or don't they apply to you?
I did explain why I didn't like the idea.
I didn't attack you.

Forum Pro Tip #3
Learn the difference between you (personal) and you (general)


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Gee, is it that time already? time for some whiner to post that it's time for a server merge with no facts to back up the idiocy spewing from his brain?


 

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Gee, is it that time already? time for some whiner to post that it's time for a server merge with no facts to back up the idiocy spewing from his brain?
Sometimes I wonder if there's like a group of players that draw straws to see who gets to go make the server-merger thread this week.

I wonder if we could talk Mod08 and Ocho into banning everybody who starts a merge thread from the forums and game for a week.


 

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Ideas are bad when they don't solve the problem they intend to solve.
Ideas are bad when there is already a solution that accomplishes the same thing the idea tries to fix.
Ideas are bad when they have unintended effects that are detrimental to the continued health of the game.

People don't like ideas that are bad. This one is both unliked and bad.
The problem here is getting a team together on a low-pop server (and in this case people leaving SG as well). This I would consider to be a problem when getting a team going during prime time takes a moderate amount of effort.

Meargeing some low population severs would fix this.

The solution I assume you are referring to is Server chat / Search Interface / Super Group.

All of these tools are useful however all can be more effctive with a server merge. Thus alowing team formation to go faster and smother both inportent factors when your relaxing. As thats what this is, its the time we take to relax and enjoy ourselves, no one wants it to feal like work.


"unintended effects that are detrimental to the continued health of the game"

As was mentioned Names being taken on other severs. This can be solved in a variety of ways. I see no reason to list them all.

People rage quitting because they like the "community" on there Sever.

This is simply eveadince that the dev's have wated to long to mearge severs it sohould have been done a long time ago. In the end tho any "comuinty" could be preserved through its Global Chat Channels and SG/Colalitions. If these were mearged as well there would be little diffrence other than having to see more people walking around in the zones, which isn't relly a prolblem.



Its not a bad idea just one that nobody likes. (except for me.)


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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad View Post
Ideas are bad when they don't solve the problem they intend to solve.
Ideas are bad when there is already a solution that accomplishes the same thing the idea tries to fix.
Ideas are bad when they have unintended effects that are detrimental to the continued health of the game.

People don't like ideas that are bad. This one is both unliked and bad.
This.