Is Tyrant Statesman or....?
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BBQ_Pork,
Posted on: 2009-11-10 15:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Uhm no I see nothing new except a nice cossie? It is common knowledge that Tyrant = Evil Statesman. You see something new then?
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Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
Uhm no I see nothing new except a nice cossie? It is common knowledge that Tyrant = Evil Statesman. You see something new then?
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Evil Twin.
Statesman obviously had a twin brother. Like Elvis. Except, in that world, the man who would be our Statesmen died!
*rampant speculation*
It's not "twin" as in family relation - it's "twin" as in something identical 
@Golden Girl
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He's focusing on the twin statement, suggesting that Statesman and Tyrant are brothers from the same mother from the same dimension, instead of having been born in separate dimensions.
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Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
Uhm no I see nothing new except a nice cossie? It is common knowledge that Tyrant = Evil Statesman. You see something new then?
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You say that now, but just you watch!|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's not "twin" as in family relation - it's "twin" as in something identical
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Elvis had one, so could Marcus!
Do you mean that they are actual "twins" meaning they shared a simultaneous womb and were somehow separated at birth? No, they weren't. They are both Marcus Cole from different dimensions. One decided to become a hero and the other decided to rule the world as an Emperor.
Never argue with stupid people. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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I think they said evil twin, but they really meant evil counterpart, just as Anti-Matter is Positron's evil counterpart. Tyrant's identity is already pretty well-established in the existing continuity.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
He's focusing on the twin statement, suggesting that Statesman and Tyrant are brothers from the same mother from the same dimension, instead of having been born in separate dimensions.
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Actually, I'm suggesting that in our world, the one who lived (we'll call him "A") became Statesman while "B" died at birth. In Praetoria, "A" died and "B" survived. They are... uh.... twins! I tell you, there's some Marcus' running around here somewhere!
*does his best Lazarus impersonation*
Reichsman makes them triplets
They could be quadruplets, but Imperious seems to be in the worng timeline.
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Impy brings up another point completely: Why in the hell does Imperious look like Marcus' twin?! He's like 300 generations removed! XD|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Reichsman makes them triplets
They could be quadruplets, but Imperious seems to be in the worng timeline. |
Back to the point: At some point, there will be deformed twins wanting revenge! IT CAN HAPPEN!
So, why dose Tyrant have energy powers instead of super strenght like Statesman? : P
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Twins can look/act/have mutant abilities that are different from one another. Duh.
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Originally Posted by Power_NA
So, why odse Tyrant have energy powers instead of super strefht like Statesman? : P
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Prepare to waste several hours:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilTwin
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| If they are literal twins, they might be Cain And Abel and/or Separated At Birth, but an Evil Twin need not be a relative of the original, and a separated pair doesn't necessarily include an evil one. |
...I forgot what experience means.
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We =should= be focusing on the "evil" part, for the so-called Loyalists' sake.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
He's focusing on the twin statement, suggesting that Statesman and Tyrant are brothers from the same mother from the same dimension, instead of having been born in separate dimensions.
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Yes, we should.|
Originally Posted by NuclearToast
We =should= be focusing on the "evil" part, for the so-called Loyalists' sake.
--NT |
But really, is Statesman all *that* evil? I thought he was just sort of a cranky old jerk.
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Statesman's hard-line, no breaking the rules attitude always gets him into to trouble, but is also his greatest strength. The primary reason that Tyrant is, in all honesty, so much weaker than States is because he murders his opponents whenever he can.*|
Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
Yes, we should.
But really, is Statesman all *that* evil? I thought he was just sort of a cranky old jerk. |
Statesman is not evil, just ungodly (rather, godly) powerful and has a vision.
*This is just like Superman vs. Ultraman in Infinite Crisis.
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like invading other countries? Or sending a terrorist strike team to attack those countries' capital cities?
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Originally Posted by RadDidIt
Statesman's hard-line, no breaking the rules attitude always gets
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@craggy see me on Union for TFs, SFs (please!) or just some good ol fashioned teaming.
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He does. Let's recap:|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I like Statesman - he seems like he just needs a hug
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Almost died from mustard gas.
Watched his best friend (and brother-in-law) fight for him and then abandon him.
Watched one of closest friends, Devin Wilcox, get thrown into a hellish series of dimensions (didnt WATCH per say, but you get it)
Watched his wife die.
Watched Stefan become Recluse.
Created 90% of villains, with Stefan.
Watched heroes following him in Russia get incinerated in a nuclear blast.
Saw Devin come back and be like "lol back now **** you, old man."
And he hasnt aged a day and the only person he can relate to is a psychic with a serious obsession with short, red archers.
It's "twin" as in "dimensional analogue."
As in, "Most people are too dumb to get what 'dimensional analogue' references."
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Dump make Rad owwie in emotion part of mind. :cry:
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
It's "twin" as in "dimensional analogue."
As in, "Most people are too dumb to get what 'dimensional analogue' references." |
I'd still call Recluse more evil than Emperor Cole
Recluse throws everyone to the wolves and expects the strongest to be of some use to him
Emperor Cole kills a few people to ensure that the majority can have peaceful, fulfilling lives
The chances of Recluse killing you through circumstances is much higher 
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
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Dude, they are not twins. If they were Statseman or someone would have said something. lol Tyrant is the MIRROR version of Statseman. Same person, just evil and from another time line. Like in Justice League.
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Originally Posted by RadDidIt
Twins can look/act/have mutant abilities that are different from one another. Duh.
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Does anyone see what I see there?
Look vewy carefully at the words in italics.