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Ok i see but if you mixed X and Y wouldnt you get a boy?


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And what the hell is that supposed to mean, exactly???
Okay, you describe the Guardian community with no more than two words that would make sense to someone unacquainted. I couldn't.


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Okay, you describe the Guardian community with no more than two words that would make sense to someone unacquainted. I couldn't.
"Guardian Community"


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Ok i see but if you mixed X and Y wouldnt you get a boy?
Correct. I propose we name the result Frankenserver.

If we mixed X and X, Bride of Frankenserver.


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Ok i definately wasn't looking to creat drama between people and servers, who brought virtue into this convo anyways? this is the all things GUARDIAN! its a discussion and nothing more. On that note i hear the name issues but losing the guardian feel??? everyone you know will be there with you and having to small servers blend will not come close to the chaos that is freedom. open your minds a little we wont be over run we'll simply have more people to play with on all levels... imagine not having to wait 45 minute just to build the team for you tf... imagine having more people for you sg to help with prestige giving you that kick A## base... it really wouldnt be as damaging as some of you think!


 

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Correct. I propose we name the result Frankenserver.

If we mixed X and X, Bride of Frankenserver.
its ALIVE!



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The correct answer to your question is : hell no.

Why? Because server mergers are done on a financial basis not on the whims of a small fraction of one server's population. You want a higher population server, go play on one.

Would it be nice to see more people around for pve, yes. Merging servers isn't the issue, it's global game population. Getting more people to play in general is how you increase server population properly.


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Originally Posted by Sailboat View Post
"Guardian Community"
That's a title, not a description. But yes, if you want to be glib about it, go for it.

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who brought virtue into this convo anyways? this is the all things GUARDIAN! its a discussion and nothing more.
Because it's a valid usage as a comparison. You want a server with more people? Virtue is one example of that.

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imagine not having to wait 45 minute just to build the team for you tf
Get in the global channels and build some connections. Most people are available, just that in the couple hundred online at any moment...most aren't able to see a plain broadcast/request/whatever.

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imagine having more people for you sg to help with prestige giving you that kick A## base
With just 3 people, KBSquad's base was large before the reduction in prices. With just 5 people, UoV on Virtue has the largest "insecure" base available...and could afford the absolute largest if we wanted to. Granted, that's more a commentary on our lack of any other hobby, not that I'm able to actually partake of it as of late. Damn Verizon.

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it really wouldnt be as damaging as some of you think!
I'd recommend going through Bill's canned response again.


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(and do note that I'm describing the TF speed run circuit and not the....whatever you want to call the local Guardian community someone like Pepsiman can be included in)
Seriously, WTF do you mean by this, a$$h0le?


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Originally Posted by Matt that tats View Post
imagine having more people for you sg to help with prestige giving you that kick A## base... it really wouldnt be as damaging as some of you think!
Ok, imagine your SG is on a server that is merged with another server with an SG with the same name. Who gets to keep it? Do you? Do they? Does it go to the person who registered first? Do they just merge the member list and you're all in one giant SG now?

Do you understand why server merges are a bad bad idea? If not, go read Bill's copypasta again. If you want to be on a high-pop server, go to one. Either roll a new character, or pony up the $10 and transfer. Ta-da!


 

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raur. nay. The SGs can have branches.


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raur. nay. The SGs can have branches.
but why have branches of 2 different supergroups that possibly never had any form of connection prior to?


 

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and as for Pepsi's TFs id run one any chance i get


 

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Originally Posted by Matt that tats View Post
Ok i definately wasn't looking to creat drama between people and servers, who brought virtue into this convo anyways? this is the all things GUARDIAN! its a discussion and nothing more. On that note i hear the name issues but losing the guardian feel??? everyone you know will be there with you and having to small servers blend will not come close to the chaos that is freedom. open your minds a little we wont be over run we'll simply have more people to play with on all levels... imagine not having to wait 45 minute just to build the team for you tf... imagine having more people for you sg to help with prestige giving you that kick A## base... it really wouldnt be as damaging as some of you think!
Imagine losing your kicking base because the easiest way to handle the server merge is to wipe all supergroup data from both servers. (All SGs gone, all names cleared, all names available on first-come, first-serve. Totally unbiased.) Imagine losing half your characters, because they merged two small servers you happen to be active on and there aren't enough slots. Imagine that the other half all end up as "Matt Tatts2" because someone on the other server happened to have the same name.

As everyone has pointed out, this gets brought up often. Aside from all of the reasons this would have a massive negative effect on players, merging servers is a bad move for the company as well - many people would quit over the issues it would cause. And it would be seen by those outside the game as clear evidence that the game itself is in trouble. (Merging servers is generally only done as a cost-cutting measure, when the number of players isn't large enough to maintain profitability. Yes, AOC and WAR both have had server merges. AOC at least, is widely considered to be dying, and WAR is generally regarded as "in a bit of trouble." I have visited no less the three software stores recently, where I have actually overheard the cashiers advising people *against* buying either game, "because they're going to get shut down soon.")

Merging the servers would not help with PVP. Very few people PVP in this game to begin with, and the system available is less than ideal. The people who hate/don't care about PVP will still feel that way after a merge, except they'll also be upset that one or more of their characters or SGs were effectively wrecked by the merge. It would not help greatly with finding teams because, simply put, the problem you're having isn't that there aren't people to team with. It's that you are looking for them wrong. (Here's a hint - sitting around and waiting for "da awesum team!" to invite you isn't going to work.)

If the number of people on your server bothers you, find a bigger server. You can even move your characters, for a small fee. There is no reason that many other players on *both* servers should be badly inconvenienced simply because you cannot find a group. What's that? You don't want to move to another server? Guess what? Neither do most of the players on any two servers you might try to merge.


 

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or increase the size of members a sg can have and all the members in one sg.


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Originally Posted by Kool_Virus View Post
or increase the size of members a sg can have and all the members in one sg.
What if they don't want that? Do you even care what other people might want?

Why would two completely unrelated SGs want to merge? Whose base would they get? I know! Just erase everything from both bases and give them a plot that's twice as big! That wouldn't cause any problems, right?

Nobody wants a server merge. It would be bad (putting it mildly). If you want a higher-pop server, move to one. Period.


 

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To add to the SG/VG discussion. If they merged them too, who is now the leader?


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I am


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Originally Posted by LostHalo View Post
(and do note that I'm describing the TF speed run circuit and not the....whatever you want to call the local Guardian community someone like Pepsiman can be included in)
Ah right this means what exactly? If I'm not on the right team hosted by the right person then its a dud? I for one would rather be on a TF that was inclusive of players to have fun and not one that would exclude them because they were the wrong build.

As for a server merge, now way it would create too many head aches to want to deal with.

To Matt the best thing to do is maybe try announcing some event in the forums to give people enough time to know about it. So far the TF's I have posted about forming here in the forums has had good response for participation.


 

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Originally Posted by Kool_Virus
But you also have to think about supergroups. If SGs would lose anything or if there are 2 SGs with the same name and would have to change it or something.
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eh i'll read that later. i dont feel like reading all that now lol
This is in response to the Memphis Bill Copypasta.
Along the same lines as "Gee I don't feel like being ashed to look up anything because that would mean I'd have to put thought into something other than stuffing my face with CheesySpoofs and guzzling copius amounts of Mt Screwed to test the 2 ton rating on this office chair. Like OMG the short little note was titled "How to disarm the angry rapist who has you at gunpoint." and there were these things called words...so many of them I lost track after like 3 or 4 of them."
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Can yall give a reason why your against a server merge?
And i have thought about going to a different server but the main reason i still remain on guardian is because of the friends i have made.
Gee, how could I possibly fend off this freak with a gun in my face and a can of KY in his hand??
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Indeed hehe. I've read some of it.
Congratulations!! He is now gunless, but now you're slathered in KY. You both lose.
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Ok i see but if you mixed X and Y wouldnt you get a boy?
...and if you mix x and X you get a pretty corpse
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Originally Posted by matt that tats
imagine having more people for you sg to help with prestige giving you that kick A## base... it really wouldnt be as damaging as some of you think!
Ok, imagine your SG is on a server that is merged with another server with an SG with the same name. Who gets to keep it? Do you? Do they? Does it go to the person who registered first? Do they just merge the member list and you're all in one giant SG now?
Here we go. This is the line of thought that dominates the next stream of screams. Good questions to be asking for this situation.
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raur. nay. The SGs can have branches.
So a bush is a bush is a bush is all connected through one central hub so Marvel, DC, CoX Universe, and Wal Mart are all branches and therefore I can do whatever I want because I can use all of them to end the world in a flaming explosion of tapioca pudding pops. GO MEAT...Hillshire Farms!!
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but why have branches of 2 different supergroups that possibly never had any form of connection prior to?
Precisely why my response above is so convoluded and schizophrenic.
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or increase the size of members a sg can have and all the members in one sg.
While they already did this and granted a prestige boost on December 10th, 2007 (Thanks again for the Double running of the script) alongside a Debt Wipe, it really doesn't matter how many people can join an SG if you're merging apples and oranges.
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To add to the SG/VG discussion. If they merged them too, who is now the leader?
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I am
Ok, the easiest way I can describe this is to have Kool Virus tell us exactly how he would unite the Ku Klux Klan and the Black Panthers in a 1950s era America, or perhaps the Outlaws and Hells Angels in a more contemporary setting.
The point being that, much like the whole server merger, it just won't be done.


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Saturday January 29th, 2005 (12:37 PM) ~ Monday August 9th, 2010
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Ah ha. Sir Ravenwolf you are the awsomesauce.


@KoolVirus

 

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I understand you nay like me but this will make us better friends.whese the ouwsomesouce.


@KoolVirus

 

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To the contrary, I find your desire to gather the PvPers on Guardian and focus them through events a galant effort and you are well to be commended by such a feat.

Whether I like someone or not does not dissuade me from my obligation to defend my fellow Guardianites from the stench of this dead horse.


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Saturday January 29th, 2005 (12:37 PM) ~ Monday August 9th, 2010
Those Who Lived It Will Remember Long after your Ban Hammer Crumbles and the servers flicker dead.
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Originally Posted by Kool_Virus View Post
Can yall give a reason why your against a server merge?
You know that big post that was too much trouble for you to read?

That contained a whole RAFT of valid reasons why a server merge is undesirable. Read and be illuminated!



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indeed


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