No need to grind for badges...

And that was only due to Architect Entertainment being delayed an issue.

I suspect GR will enable us to go for some of the heroside dayjobs that do not have villainside versions, but didn't they say that certain badges/accolades would "morph" into the heroic versions if a villain turned hero?

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Minor technicality, but it's only 441 days, since you can earn Patroller/Criminal at the same time as any other Day Job.

Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense to me. I play this game a lot. Most days, my currently-played characters are logged out around 20 hours a day. My characters I'm not playing are usually logged out 24 hours a day, minus a few minutes to poke the markets.

I really don't see the issue. Instead of having to be logged out "for over a year", it means you have to play the game "for over 1.2 years".

If you have a problem with having to wait a year, that's one thing. But being logged out just doesn't have a significant relevance to this unless you play the game like 12 hours a day.

So you are saying there is a rule that says you don't earn any progress toward your day job badges if you log in before the badge gets earned? You are not "Not playing your main character". You are playing your main character. And all your others are earning badges at the same time. Then when you log into an alt, you have two characters earning badges at once without dual boxing!

Isn't it great?

By the way, I totally agree the time is too long on them. But nothing about them says you can't play your main. If you literally do the exact same thing you did before the day jobs were invented, you are not penalized in any way, you just get bonuses.

Exactly this. If you play your "main" it slows down the progress, but unless you are on 24 hours a day, anything you get is a bonus over NOT having DJ badges.

Only your OCD need to get them as fast as possible stops you from playing your main badge toon. Really, just settle down, play the toon you want to play, and the badges will come. Really, they will. I'm not lying.

Actually, I felt my breakdown was pretty simple and sensible. A "badge" for "doing nothing" is unprecedented in the Badge system previous to Day Jobs. For every badge before this, it was a "positive" experience in COH: You took down 200 Toxic Tarantulas; you healed a billion points of damage; you fought the AVs/Heroes in Recluse's Victory; you maintained your presence in-game for the anniversaries.

The Day Job badges reward you for not playing your character for X days. You can thematically argue any number of angles, but that's the gist of it. "Here's a reward for parking your toon for three weeks."

I get the point of them: When your character is "not being a hero/villain", they're doing something during the day, and there should be a return for that. Yay, I back that, rock on. Let's get the temp powers to indicate where you logged off. Let's earn a title if you log out for X days in that area.

But don't let the badges accrue. Have them replace one another. To contradict someone's defense of the system earlier, you're SERIOUSLY stretching the bounds of rational explanation to have someone who's a mortician, a day trader, a pilot, a caregiver, a professor, a fashion designer, AND a banker.

Yes: You can hop from one job to another. What I'm saying is, it shouldn't be as easy as by just clicking on a badge title. If you were a Mortician for a few months, and suddenly you felt like being a fashion designer, then when you log off, you do so at ICON for a few weeks. Boom, you get it, but in this case, it's a decision with a sense of consequence.

Allowing the badges to accrue, instead of having it as one of potential "day job" badges (like how the Patron badges work), just panders mindlessly to the "must have them all" crowd. I sympathize; I'm one of them, and I have the badges to prove it. But in this case, even I look at it and say, "wow, that system just doesn't work well thematically."

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Day jobs are not a badge for doing "nothing". You have to take your toon to a certain area every time you log out or you won't get the badge, which is no different (or easier) than getting an explore badge or reading a plaque.

And that is any different than "log in your toon in april"??


Rational explanation in a game about a city filled with people that possess super powers?? I think you put to much emphasis on it making sense. You're ok with all the other nonsense that goes into adapting a superhero world into a VG, but a guy being a mortician and then a fashion designer pushes the limits???

It's a system in a VG that is supposed to represent a concept from superhero canon, nothing more. It's a way for people to make their toons fit a concept even more than before.

BTW it's not a few weeks at a certain job. Time moves much faster 'in game' than in real life, so if you take that into account your toon would be there for months.

The DJs typically reward you for time spent, logged off, in a given area. Patroller is the catch-all for all the non-DJ zones. Sorry, but you can't compare the act of "logging off" pretty much anywhere as being more difficult than getting an explore badge.

One is a positive action executed the game. The other is an action you take when leaving the game.

I was waiting for this argument. Yep, it's different, because you're bringing your character into the game during a time window. Again, it's a positive action, not a negative one. You're there to (supposedly) celebrate the game's anniversary, so they gave you a badge to say "yeah, you were there, here's your cookie".

Personally, I feel the anniversary badges should be tabulated differently, but it's still consistent with the "do in-game action X, get in-game reward Y".

Rational, within the confines of the design of the game. I don't expect to have to take my hero biannually for dental exams, or to pay taxes, or to eat regularly.

But there's a difference when you say "this person has FIFTEEN JOBS AT THE SAME TIME." Tell me that doesn't make you go "whuh?" a little bit when you hear it.

What you're not "getting" is that I have no problem with having a Day Job. What you're not "getting" is that I have a problem with having more than ONE day job at a time. My argument is to have each DJ overwrite the previous one. My method in no way restricts your creative desire to have a particular role. If anything, it CERTIFIES it and encourages consistency.

There is no reason why you shouldn't support my idea, unless you just want more badges. And that's what my suggested alternative addresses: Because the badges accrue for the score of DJs and accolades, the goal here is to "get them all" - which means you're regularly and actively electing to stay "logged out" of a toon to acquire them. My alternative ameliorates that significantly while still keeping the spirit of the intention alive and well.

Not really. Time as far as in-game references to events moves analogously to real time. They make distinctions for temp powers of "in game time" vs "real time" to denote how long a power lasts, but that doesn't infer that one moves faster or slower than the other.

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I think what he was talking about is the accelerated day/night cycle that's present in-game. If you extrapolate the 21 days of real time that's required to earn a day job, you would have spent 1,008 in-game days at that job, or most of three years learning a skill. That would make it a bit more believable thematically.

Good point on the day/night cycle. I was thinking in macro (across years) vs micro (the in-game day/night graphics turn).

So, to get all the Day Jobs (which is what a lotta badgers are getting finished with now), what's the math on that for skillset learning, by your example?

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21 badges x 1008 days = 21168 days = 58 years (57.99 precisely discounting leap years)

If they don't care about their badge count, why do you care about them "padding" their badge count?

Also: The latest badge changes were requested by badge hunters back in I16 beta.

So since it's an "action" you take when leaving the game it isn't a reward for doing "nothing". The fastest way to get the badge is not to play that toon for 21 days straight, but it's not the only way. You can play your toon every day and log in the right space (sometimes going a zone or 2) and get the badge in a longer period of time.

What is a "negative" action anyway? Post day job toons progress aren't reversed in any way. You don't have to get the day jobs to finish any part of the game. Badges are purely optional.

I said this earlier in this thread and i'll say it again. The badge doesn't mean you still have that day job it means you did have it at some point and got a badge for doing it for a certain amount of time. So having 15 badges doesn't mean you have 15 jobs it means you have done that many jobs throughout your career. Just like some people are in the military then go on to work in a lab, and later on end up being a professor ect ect. The renewing temp power is what shows that it is your current job.


So the proof of where a toon has payed his dues (the day job badge) should be his/hers to keep and shouldn't be "overwritten". That's a perfect reason I shouldn't support your idea. It's like telling a professor he can't keep his degree because he going to stop teaching, or telling a soldier he can't have his medal of honor if he leaves the military.

small promblem with that thoguh they could add more day job, as a new one came out when MA came out

I don't see that as a big deal. You work with what you have at the time you have it. (They could also just make it for having "X" number of the DJ badges/accolades, representing 90%+ of them.)

Yeah really. My two badge mains have still been played semi-regularly (as regularly as I play any toon) since Day Jobs were implemented and while they're behind those toons I have played less, they've still acquired many DJ badges nonetheless. Can/Do you play 24hours a day? No? Then your collection progress is slowed by a handful of hours each 21-day period while you play your toon. Oh noes! ...Wait...

When I realized it would be over a year before I could earn all the DJ badges on any toon, I stopped worrying about getting them 'now now now.' I keep track of who's where and has earned what, etc, and continue to play as I have been.

Also, if you're someone who has problems with having many multiple DJ badges at once, then adjust your playstyle so you don't get more than what you find is acceptable, and let me do what I want and earn them all. It's like being that one student you knew in high school who got all A's, played two instruments, was on three sports teams, captain of three clubs AND did community work. (Damn those overachievers.) Obviously it's not for everyone, and admit you were jealous/awestruck/grumbled at all their accomplishments.

Or the hotspots where you could park for 21 days and come away with 2 DJ badges. Still in a way I am glad the hotspots are gone.

For Vanguard, your lowbie can still park there and the meter will fill up after 21 days, but until you are L35 the badge won't ding.

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Actually, the damage taken series is the one holdout of the "farming is absolutely needed badges". I doubt that there is a single character that has earned 100 million hp worth of damage through non-farm play.

On the other hand, it would be less an issue if the following conditions were met:

• Hit points of damage above the normal level maximum should count. The infamous "working as designed or intended" is being used, but even some of the developers were in the dark about this until players tested it. There are far too many sources of +HP powers for the condition not to be widespread.
• Falling damage should count. It doesn't.

Falling damage is a drop in the bucket overall, but the +HP power issue is ongoing and avoidable. The 100 million needed for Immortal is about as ridiculous as Empath at 100 million.

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