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Oh I understand that RL issues can impact a persons ability to play, however if someone vanishes without a word to anyone I don't believe they deserve special treatment unless there is an unusual circumstance.|
Originally Posted by perwira
Well, in all fairness, sometimes RL intervenes.
As a junior CoX player, I'm already in the position of maintaining a SG group base, while some of my SG partners have taken a time out for one reason or another. I know some of them personally through our days playing D&D and other roleplaying and strategy games way back in the '70's, and I know our SG leader through quite a few personal chats and some play. I'm guessing the SG leader in question here is close to my age (that is to say, near if not at AARP age) and if not, at least at the age where family and/or career tends to take a fair amount of precedence over game time. Yeah, been there, done that... all too often, even if not here (yet) in CoX. So, really, I don't blame the SG leader. Of course, it would have helped if s/he had designated an SG leader to take over their role. Take the base and care for it. Call it your own and keep the name for posterity's sake. |
The ex-leader in the other thread could have easily taken 5 minutes before his account expired to logon and say something to the SG members. He could have even made it the SG message of the day.
"Hi this is leader. I'm not going to be playing for a while. I don't know for how long. I'm leaving Ironblade in charge til I get back. I hope to be back as soon as possible. Bye."
I'm personally caretaker of two SG's whose leader's asked me to watch over things while they are gone. When and if they get back I'll happily give them back leadership if they want it. I've been holding one SG since before I9, and the second SG since Jan of this year.
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Yup, I've been fortunate in that the original SG leader wisely took the time to look around and asked someone to be the caretaker, even if I was (and still am!) mildly reluctant to do so. You're right, though, it sounds like outright abandonment in the case of the OP, in which case it's pretty much a clean slate for the OP to build on.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Oh I understand that RL issues can impact a persons ability to play, however if someone vanishes without a word to anyone I don't believe they deserve special treatment unless there is an unusual circumstance.
The ex-leader in the other thread could have easily taken 5 minutes before his account expired to logon and say something to the SG members. He could have even made it the SG message of the day. "Hi this is leader. I'm not going to be playing for a while. I don't know for how long. I'm leaving Ironblade in charge til I get back. I hope to be back as soon as possible. Bye." I'm personally caretaker of two SG's whose leader's asked me to watch over things while they are gone. When and if they get back I'll happily give them back leadership if they want it. I've been holding one SG since before I9, and the second SG since Jan of this year. |
I've been in this situation before, even before the time of MMORPG's when RPG's with paper maps and dice ruled. When in doubt, I cut some slack. I have a notion the OP won't hear from the original SG owner again.
Edited to add: Part of what makes me so reluctant to assume leadership of this SG base is that it's loaded with so many items stocked by existing or previous SG members. It was built prior to the base limit nerf (well before I began this game), literally stocked with tens of thousands of items that can't be put back in. A quick calculation of the the purple IO's and Hami-O's and high-end salvage and everything else lying around on those shelves tends into the hundreds of billions if not a full trillion worth of current-day inf. This is a SG with a very high trust level, yet with members who are now currently sometimes in the game - and sometimes (maybe for good, I have no clue) not.
The base is yours now. You are the leader. Let noone else tell you different.
It is a mortal sin of SG leaders not to log in for 45 days. If I would ever be away from any of my SGs for 45 days I would take steps to insure that I could be returned to leadership after that.
Just neglecting your SG for 45 days or more is the sure sign of a bad leader.
[quote=Satanic_Hamster;2307640]No real reason to kick people, imho. They could always come back. You might stop playing yourself and they might have the opportunity to keep using the SG as well.
(assuming you don't need the space)
I agree with this, even if I have seen new members react negatively to existing members who have been inactive for a long time
I'm glad you mentioned this. One of my toons was going to mess with the SG colors on her outfit and found she was the head of the SG.
I've never been in the base. She uses Pocket-D and Oroborous, trains, etc, to get around and the only use I have normally for a SG is for alternate colors on my clothes and the tp.
I think I'll guy it and make it nothing but tp.
I guess that's why I get messages about how much the SG owes. Hmm.
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
I guess that's why I get messages about how much the SG owes. Hmm.
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A lot of good points, comments, and suggestions have been made in this thread. Thanks again.
I just want to say that I still intend to hand leadership of the group back to the former leader should he decide to return. He put a lot of time into the design and construction of the original base, so it obviously meant something to him. I don't intend to invest any effort into the base beyond putting some transporters back in. I am the leader of a supergroup on another server that I created for alts belonging to myself and two of my close friends--any creative efforts I put forth will be directed toward that group's base. I will probably always see this other base as really belonging to the former leader; I just want to get the basic amenities (that I joined the group for in the first place) working again. If the guy takes over again and wants to kick me for something I did or didn't do while he was gone, then so be it. I'll just have to look for a new group, which is exactly what I was planning to do until I noticed I was auto-promoted to the head of this one.
I will wait until after reactivation weekend (and until after he's had a chance to respond to a message from me) before I touch anything. Not knowing the circumstances behind his absence, I think I owe him that much.
I admit to being envious of perwira. The base I inherited didn't come stocked with storage worth millions! Before the (soon aborted) renovations, the old leader removed all storage bins (no idea what he did with the contents, but fortunately, I personally hadn't contributed too much to them, so I don't feel cheated). He did install some new storage bins before splitting, but they were empty. Should I put anything I really care about in any of those bins, I'll be sure to clear it out before I relinquish control.
What server is your villian SG on ? I have one DOM in Liberty that could use a SG .
I have a current SG that is nothing but me now. I picked it up when I logged back on after about a year of being gone. I had a few characters I left in after the bonus we got a while back. It had been some time and rent was do and all, so I picked up the pieces and got things going again. I've left some of the other player's toons in the SG, but I've moved access & changes to my level. I don't want anyone to log in and take anything or kick anyone after being gone for over 300 days.
I'd say it's yours to do what you want. Set permissions so you are able to control things incase someone logs in and has a little issue with what's going on. If you want to send a message, you can, I wouldn't myself. If they come back, you can deal with it from there. If they don't show up for a couple more months, I wouldn't even listen to their demands at that point. You've done the work and prestige at that point. It's yours to enjoy and make in your own image.
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Well, it's a tougher responsibility knowing that there are so many items in the base that others have put in there. Much of it, I'm sure, was meant for SG sharing with the basic philosophy of take what you want but put one or more of something else back in of equal or greater value. Other things are probably personal stashes not meant to be used by other SG members, and the organization and locations of the many racks seems to reflect this. Given all what's in there, I'm very reluctant to invite any new members or promote any of the few who have joined fairly recently. I expect some of the more dormant senior SG members to be on this DXP weekend, players who are far more senior to me in terms of game time and experience, some of whom I know fairly well even outside of CoX, and I intend to pass the baton to one of them after discussing it with several of them.
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Originally Posted by Red_Raccoon
I admit to being envious of perwira. The base I inherited didn't come stocked with storage worth millions! Before the (soon aborted) renovations, the old leader removed all storage bins (no idea what he did with the contents, but fortunately, I personally hadn't contributed too much to them, so I don't feel cheated). He did install some new storage bins before splitting, but they were empty. Should I put anything I really care about in any of those bins, I'll be sure to clear it out before I relinquish control.
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I chose to restrict bin access on certain bins to the leadership positions that existed when I "inherited" the SG's. I'm not letting anyone take base salvage until the founders return. That's 10,000+ items. I sorted the Enhancement and Inspiration bins and the really rare stuff is under lock and key as well. No one can add or remove. The remaining storage bins I leave open for the SG. |
Originally Posted by perwira
Well, it's a tougher responsibility knowing that there are so many items in the base that others have put in there. Much of it, I'm sure, was meant for SG sharing with the basic philosophy of take what you want but put one or more of something else back in of equal or greater value. Other things are probably personal stashes not meant to be used by other SG members, and the organization and locations of the many racks seems to reflect this. Given all what's in there, I'm very reluctant to invite any new members or promote any of the few who have joined fairly recently. I expect some of the more dormant senior SG members to be on this DXP weekend, players who are far more senior to me in terms of game time and experience, some of whom I know fairly well even outside of CoX, and I intend to pass the baton to one of them after discussing it with several of them.
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I dedicated 2 bins to holiday salvage and I personally keep them stocked for members to use. One holds Candy Canes, and the other holds complete Halloween salvage sets.
While in charge I have also expanded the SG's capabilities by earning the necessary badges. In one, even tho I hate PvP, I went and got them the Dimensional Vortex.
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Originally Posted by NovaFactor
What server is your villian SG on ? I have one DOM in Liberty that could use a SG .
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If the leader was someone you knew and he had left the base in usable condition, I wouldn't see a problem with returning leadership to him. But by your own admission, you didn't know him, and he left the base dismantled, thereby impeding your ability to use it in his absence. Given these facts, I would be very hesitant to give him the SG back when he returns because he may very well just view you as a prestige mule.
If you want to give him base-editing permissions so he can design it to his liking, fine, but I wouldn't turn leadership back to him.
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This. We now have very granular control of storage - you can set every single storage item to be accessible to ranks of your choosing.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I chose to restrict bin access on certain bins to the leadership positions that existed when I "inherited" the SG's. I'm not letting anyone take base salvage until the founders return. That's 10,000+ items. I sorted the Enhancement and Inspiration bins and the really rare stuff is under lock and key as well. No one can add or remove. The remaining storage bins I leave open for the SG.
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To be honest, I think that was pretty much my role from the beginning, and I was okay with it. I earn prestige, he provides a nice base. If he's willing to hold up his end of the bargain again, I'm more than willing to hold up mine.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I would be very hesitant to give him the SG back when he returns because he may very well just view you as a prestige mule.
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I believe Sun Tzu said it best when it came to generals who are wholly unable to lead their men because of an extended absence that is not preceded by the designation of a trusted lieutenant as leader for the interim, or even any notice that they will be away.
"You snooze, you lose."
Though you should be careful about not letting the OMG SUPER RARE enhancements, inspirations and salvage get snatched up by new, untested members.
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Same thing happened to me on Guardian. My hero logged in one day to find she was made leader of her SG. So for a few months I did nothing but play the game. After about 6 months of no activity from any other SG mates I decided to become a ruthless SG leader. I demoted everyone to the lowest rank, denied them access to any base changing functions, and sold everything I did not need for a good amount of influence. I then changed the SG message to indicate I was now the leader and it was my way or the highway and if you did not like it, quit and find another SG to join. As of yesterday, I am still the only active member in the SG and no one has logged on in over a year. Have fun with it like I did.
Keeping it Brutal !!!!!!!!
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You can't demote people if they are offline, let alone if they haven't been on for 6 months! lol
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Originally Posted by HotFlash
...After about 6 months of no activity from any other SG mates...
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Sure you can. You demote them to not having an SG by kicking them out.
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Originally Posted by Master-Blade
You can't demote people if they are offline, let alone if they haven't been on for 6 months! lol
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It didn't mean enough to him to log in so he wouldn't be auto-demoted.
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Rofl.. well then I guess that would certainly qualify as the "lowest rank". haha
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Sure you can. You demote them to not having an SG by kicking them out.
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I've had this sort of situation happen to me on a few occasions. Friend of mine had a small solo SG on Justice and wanted my help inviting her alts (she had only one account) so she invited and promoted one of my lowbies. I promptly forgot about that lowbie, but after noticing she'd pretty much disappeared without a trace a few months later, I logged back in and discovered I was super-leader. Since she'd been offline for about two months, I took the liberty of redesigning the base and inviting my own characters into it as well as a friend here and there. The old leader's logged on once since then (I left her two main characters in the group) but I didn't know until after the fact. It's now been about six months since she logged on and I'm not expecting her back, even for the weekend.
I was a member of a small VG on Virtue as well on a few of my characters, and stopped playing on that server when I13 hit (I'd rolled characters there to run Cap SFs with a group from the market forums, but merits killed that) only to come back as the leader a few months later. I made a few minor changes to the base and went about my way, came back even later, and wasn't the leader anymore. Ended up leaving that VG a few weeks back when someone I know left the game and gave me his VG.
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I really, really hate that about the system. There are people in my SG who haven't been on in a coon's age, but have high ranks. If I don't know them very well I'd like to be able to reduce their rank so I don't have to worry they'll pop in do something untoward with their rank if they come back and are feeling vandalous. But I'd like the option to leave them in the SG at a lower rank, in case my fears are unfounded.
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Originally Posted by Master-Blade
You can't demote people if they are offline, let alone if they haven't been on for 6 months! lol
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As far as I'm concerned, the SG leader should know everyone who is in their SG. They don't have to know them well or be buddy-buddy, but they should at least have a clue who is being recruited in.
Now, onto the current topic. I'd say yes, wait until after reactivation weekend. If someone stopped playing because of money issues, they may resurface at a free weekend. At that time, OP, you might be able to find out what's going on with the SG. The leader might never come back though, and personally I think six months of inactivity is more than enough to go ahead and start making changes on your own. If you're concerned, make it so that no one else has access to the base edits other than you (as super-leader rank).