Does anyone have a checklist of what a min-max DM/SD build should have and rank these attributes accordingly? I know defense is the highest priority and then recharge for the top chain but what about regen, resist, +hp, etc?
1) Soft-capped positional defenses
2) Enough recharge for SM>SL>MG chain
3) Perma or near perma hasten
4) > 60% regen bonus?
5) > 33% S/L resist?
6) > 10% HP bonus?
I thought the best "reasonable" DM chain was MG>Smite>SL>Smite>repeat...
There is a better one?
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I read in other posts that SM>MG>SM>SL is pretty good. Wish I knew how to plug that into a DPS formula to confirm it.
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Goals? I really don't have any I haven't accomplished. Shield Charge and spring attack is great spike AoE damage and single target is solid. I guess my main concern is finding more accuracy without sacrificing much in the way of +hp, regen, and of course defense.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
B Nix, what are your goals with this build/character?
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What are you trying to maximize and minimize. What are you building to fight?
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
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Originally Posted by RadioSilence
Does anyone have a checklist of what a “min-max” DM/SD build should have and rank these attributes accordingly? I know defense is the highest priority and then recharge for the top chain but what about regen, resist, +hp, etc?
1) Soft-capped positional defenses 2) Enough recharge for SM>SL>MG chain 3) Perma or near perma hasten 4) > 60% regen bonus? 5) > 33% S/L resist? 6) > 10% HP bonus? |
1. Soft cap
2. Recharge for permanent hasten
3. >33% s/l resist
4. >10% HP bonus
You don't need 2 or 6 because with enough recharge for permanent hasten you have enough recharge for SM>SL>MG and with enough HP and recharge you can spam SL to save your life more so than a 60% passive regen bonus could.
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4x8 with enemies with -tohit or +def. Normally the only reason I die is when I run in to a group that has those characteristics and can't take out enough of the group in time. Nemesis, and to a lesser extent carnies have been the biggest problem at 4x8 although I haven't attempted them since I slotted the kismet +6%.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
What are you trying to maximize and minimize. What are you building to fight?
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So the two options would be increase damage somehow or increase accuracy so I miss less.
Newest version of my live build. Critiques welcome.
I don't use Smite in my attack Chain unless exempt (obviously), replaced with Fire Blast, therefore it's just a set mule unfortunately. End heavy without a doubt, but it's perfectly manageable so far through my various stress tests thanks to DC.
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Here is my build, I both can't afford purples and the glad proc so I've tried to cram as much as possible into it without picking up these expensive shinies.
I'm pretty sure my endurance is sustainable if I'm in trouble I have both CP/OwTS to sort me out.
> I can't get perma-hasten but it's pretty damn close considering no purples 
> DDR is maxed as it will go as I can't afford to get 9 membranes to combine 
> Stats say no softcap, but I'm planning boosting the Def IO in CJ up a few levels which will push the 44.92% M/R to 45%
> Runs SM>SL>SM>MG
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Penumbral Potential: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dam%(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Cyto(7), HO:Cyto(9)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Cyto(9), HO:Cyto(11)
Level 4: True Grit -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(15), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(15), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(19)
Level 6: Kick -- KinCrsh-Dmg/KB(A), KinCrsh-Acc/KB(19), KinCrsh-Rchg/KB(21), KinCrsh-Rechg/EndRdx(21), KinCrsh-Dmg/EndRdx/KB(23), KinCrsh-Acc/Dmg/KB(23)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- HO:Nucle(A), HO:Nucle(25), HO:Nucle(25), HO:Golgi(27), HO:Golgi(27), HO:Golgi(36)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(29), HO:Membr(29)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 14: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(31), Aegis-ResDam(33), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(33), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 16: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 20: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 22: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(A)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Cyto(36)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(37), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(37), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(37), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(39), GSFC-Build%(39)
Level 28: Combat Jumping -- DefBuff-I(A)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Cyto(39), HO:Cyto(40)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Mako-Dam%(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(40), Mako-Acc/Dmg(42), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(43), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Oblit-%Dam(45)
Level 38: Grant Cover -- Ksmt-ToHit+(A)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(45), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(46)
Level 47: Energy Torrent -- KinCrsh-Dmg/KB(A), KinCrsh-Acc/KB(48), KinCrsh-Rchg/KB(48), KinCrsh-Rechg/EndRdx(48), KinCrsh-Dmg/EndRdx/KB(50), KinCrsh-Acc/Dmg/KB(50)
Level 49: One with the Shield -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(50)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(11), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(13), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(13), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(46), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(46)
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In my experience having a lot of passive regeneration is good but have SL it makes it not as useful as I would have thought. I'd shore up your S/L resistance more and probably your endurance recovery if you need it. Probably not with DC slotted for end recovery and CP. If you have the recharge to run Mg > Smite > SL I'd suggest slotting SL with three Gogli and three Nucleolus. Other than that it is a good build.
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Originally Posted by B_Nix
I didn't want to start a new thread but I'm stuck for my standard build. I've pushed the build as far as I can get it without restarting and looking for more from scratch. I'm considering using enhancement boosters to push the build more in a few places but is there anything anyone can see that I'm missing or don't need? Or do I start on a second build to softcap against incarnate and DE?
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
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How do you fair against -def foes?
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Originally Posted by _Force_
Newest version of my live build. Critiques welcome.
I don't use Smite in my attack Chain unless exempt (obviously), replaced with Fire Blast, therefore it's just a set mule unfortunately. End heavy without a doubt, but it's perfectly manageable so far through my various stress tests thanks to DC. Code:
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
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What Alpha slot do you plan on using? Its a pretty good build considering no shinies. |
Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
Here is my build, I both can't afford purples and the glad proc so I've tried to cram as much as possible into it without picking up these expensive shinies.
I'm pretty sure my endurance is sustainable if I'm in trouble I have both CP/OwTS to sort me out. > I can't get perma-hasten but it's pretty damn close considering no purples > DDR is maxed as it will go as I can't afford to get 9 membranes to combine > Stats say no softcap, but I'm planning boosting the Def IO in CJ up a few levels which will push the 44.92% M/R to 45% > Runs SM>SL>SM>MG I've spent the last 2 hours deliberating min/max'ing within my limits, any thing you see please point it out! Code:
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
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Spiritual for the near perma hasten |
Originally Posted by Santorican
What Alpha slot do you plan on using? Its a pretty good build considering no shinies.
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! I was going to recommend using that one. I'll poke around more with your build later today or tomorrow I'm at work. 
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
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Originally Posted by Santorican
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! I was going to recommend using that one. I'll poke around more with your build later today or tomorrow I'm at work.
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Have fun with it, took me 2 hours of tinkering to get the numbers I've.Be interesting to see if you can squeeze anything more out of it
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Unfortunately my DDR is shot I haven't confirmed whether or not AD's DDR will be enhanced by Membranes but I have a feeling it won't be. Right now I am sitting at 52% DDR which is probably about as high as I can get it with this current build. That means I will have to make a lot more use of OWtS and SC and SA.
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Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
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I copied my DM/SD during one of the "working moments" of the copy tool and flipped over to test today. Membranes are officially no longer working to support AD, but I also have it double-stacked still and Grant Cover so he sits comfortably at 70%, ~53% without Grant Cover.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
Unfortunately my DDR is shot I haven't confirmed whether or not AD's DDR will be enhanced by Membranes but I have a feeling it won't be. Right now I am sitting at 52% DDR which is probably about as high as I can get it with this current build. That means I will have to make a lot more use of OWtS and SC and SA.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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I forgot about the double stacking, I guess that isn't as bad but still no 95%...
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
This is a DM/SD thread Cosmic.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
-Cosmic (avenger?) posted a Street Justice/Regen build above my post. No explanation or question, just the build. Apparently deleted his post since.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
Hey Sant and everybody, first off i just want to say that this is such a great thread I have been following on and off for almost 2 years now lol. So I've been away from the game for awhile but im back now and its time for a massive overhaul for my DM/shield. I was just wondering if you guys can take a look at two quick builds for me cause this is my favorite toon to play and I want him to be awesome lol. Both builds are pretty expensive ( i do have most of the stuff already ) but one is with the glad proc which is still a big investment for me. Well here are the builds and any suggestions would be great! My main concerns are the end issues and slotting and even some power selections.
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and build 2
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Nothing is set in stone so feel free to make any changes, also im pretty sure i am not making the best use the flexibility that the glad proc gives me ( not used to building with it ) but again any advice would help me.
P.S I was thinking spiritual, Reactive and rebirth for incarnates
Ok so i was thinking if im gonna with the glad proc might as well go balls to the wall and throw in some more purps-- With T4 spiritual it has perma soul drain ( 0.1 off but still perma lol) but again the issue is the endurance i don't know if it will be sustainable. I think this build makes better use of the glad proc :
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I realize this build is slightly short of being capped in m/r so here is a slightly less expensive build that is still capped to all three positions.
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That is what I use and I feel they're the best fit for Dark/Shield.
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Originally Posted by Vman
I was thinking spiritual, Reactive and rebirth for incarnates
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Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
B Nix, what are your goals with this build/character?
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread