Denial Power Set

I was wondering...

I seen some comic books and cartoons about super types that their power is mainly denying others their use of their powers, in some cases, not only they get to deny the use the power but they get to use it for themselves for a short duration.

So why not have a Defender and Corruptor set that does exactly that, give them a status effect like power that can turn off toggle powers or the effects of button powers.

Perhaps the first power is one that denies the use of an attack power for a nunber of rounds, while scary its not that bad. After all most characters begin with a couple of atatcks anyway. Which attack power could be randomly selected or if the denying players is skillful enough to activate it as the target is activating an attack power, maybe that attack power is disabled.

The second power could be a denial of a defensive power, be a resist damage, defense, status effect protection, etc. Once more it would be done randomly.

The third power denial ability could affect a travel power, does denying the target the ability to sprint, superspeed, fly, hover, combat jump, acrobatics, etc. Once more this can be done randomly.

The fourth could be an activation denial power, such the ability to turn off the MoG effect of a Scrapper, etc.

These are only suggestions, what do you all think?

Stormy

Holds?

yep. wish granted. controllers and dominators already have this. it's called holds. not immobalizes asthe baddies will still be able to attack, but holds.

I don't see the ability turning off the effects of other powers on others, the other power sets have those abilities such as clear mind comes, giggles, into my mind.

I would love to have the ability to engage EBs and AVs who tend to spam some of their powers a bit too much, such as Reichman and his Invulnerability, just think he engages the power and a couple of Defenders turns it off for him. Or those pesky Paragon Protectors, they get beat up, and yeap, the God Mode power comes up, no way to prevent it either and thus team boredom occurs till MoG expires, this way a player can turn MoG off and let the team be able to go on with the TF instead of having to wait for the PP to e done, sadly most of the TFs with PPs are kill all, so its not like we can say, forget the jerk and lets go on.

Hugs

Stormy

the whole point of eb's av's is to be a challenge, not a minion with a whole lot of hit points. i really am begining to think that this is not the game for you stormy. if you want a cake walk game i suggest anything that is rated 4yrs old and up.

His point does stand though, to some extent.

Against the foes that you're looking to go against with this kind of thing, like EBs and AVs, they don't have that many powers. To turn off even a few could shut them down entirely. Also, many AVs don't have any defensive toggles at all. They just have a power called 'Resistance'. Would this set turn that off? Considering that it's basically an inherent for them?

What would this set do in PvP? Turning off only one power, that you probably can't chose, would likely do nothing in PvP.

Nor would it be that great in PvE, since it would probably be single-target focused, and therefore not be too useful in a lot of PvE, where area debuffs would be better.

Aett I am expecting an apology for the 4 year old reference from the poster who amde the reference. I have no issues at all with an intelligent discussion, such as you have the courtesy to make.

There may be an issue with AVs, but take a hold power as a point of discussion. If sufficient controllers, dominators are envolved, they can arrest the AV for practical amounts of time. The denial of an effect such as Invincibility, is not really making the action easier, it is only denying a time sink. Lets talk about Reichsman, we all know we can defeat it with a certain level of safety, the reason he takes so long to defeat is his spam use of invincibility when he is down to 25% hit points, while he is under this state of invincibility, the rest of team who got him don to 25% is in no risk to speak off, as so many other players are quick to brag, the proper use of debuffs turns him into a kitty. So a denyal power, all it would do is cancel the invincibility and allow players to defeat Reichman in a time sense similar to other AVs who do not abuse certain abilities.

My suggestion does not make things a cakewalk, it only removes the time sink component. My example of the Paragon Protector, he was already beat, his going into MoG is nothing but a time comsuming annoyance. Unless one is to equate, boring time annoyance equals challenge, then yes, I stand corrected. But for myself tedium, repetitive actions are annoying and not really a thing I would consider a challenge. Perhaps Reichman's real challenge, is that it takes so long to defeat him, that the challenge is to keep the players from aboandoning the TF out of boredom.

Hugs

Stormy

well, hold your breath all you want but the only thing that will end up happening is you passing out from lack of oxygen.

i see no need for this as it is not a useful power at all. and since you wouldn't be able to select the power that is denied, it becomes a worthless power or set.

You're expecting a power set that would only be effective against EBs and AVs. Or were you expecting power denial to actually do something to the guys that are firing guns or using advanced technology against you?

The problem with denial based powers is that they're either universally specific or universally overpowered. A vast majority of the time, the denial suppresses the specific story mechanic that a character uses to access his/her powers. Magical suppression generally does nothing to technology. Tech suppression of mutant powers generally does nothing to other technological, magical or scientific powers because it only inhibits the mutation. It would be hard to explain suppression of natural powers either way. Those that do inhibit all powers regardless of their source, I can guarantee that the character is intended to be a one shot character placed there specifically for the story. Otherwise, it would just be an issue of that character walking around going "no one has powers anymore because I say so".

As to why it wouldn't work in game, while the engine can handle removal/denial of specific powers (Nectanebo's Curse Breaker, Dimensional Grounding Ray) those powers are explicitly specific. In order to remove a power at random, each activation of the power would have to generate a new list of the powers affecting the character and then randomly pick from the list and mechanically deny access/remove it (which I'm not sure is entirely possible on characters or generic NPCs without some very hefty recoding of everything).

It's also hard to imagine an entire power set based around that. It's a single gimmick (and one that would be inordinately hard to incorporate unless a mechanic was designed from the beginning) not a full suite of powers. I guess you could feasibly say that there is an AoE and an ST version. Possibly another ST version that lasts longer than the basic one. Still, it would be like building a set around -regen: it's a powerful effect against specific targets (re: EB/AV/GMs), but against pretty much anything else you're fighting (re: anything not one of those), it's largely useless.

Xenite, you changed the quote in your sig?

To Umbral: I am humbled by your ability to look at this mostly ridiculous suggestion and calmly grind it into the dust with actual facts and mechanical failings that are obvious on its face, but have yet to be stated outright.

Overall, the idea expressed in the OP seems overly technical for something that, for the most part, already exists.

The aforementioned Holds (and pretty much every other Mez as well) serves the "use denial" function well enough.

For a "defensive denial," well, that's just a DEF or RES debuff. I have my doubts as to having a power randomly spit out different versions of the debuff though.

And a travel denial is nothing more than an Immob with a perk or two.

The final one seems like an exact copy as the first power. I'm not really seeing a difference between the two (save that one references an attack and the other a defensive power).


Mostly though, if this is even possible to do, I can see the random nature being its undoing. "Hah! I hit you with my Travel denial power and stop you from super jumping away! Oh... you've got Super Speed. Dang."

As I said, it's overly precise for not a lot in return compared to the sets we already have.

Still waiting for his Official BackAlleyBrawler No-Prize

Actually expecting an apology? You must be new to the internet.