Poor word choice or a new Patron?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-08-24 08:08 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I'm pretty sure that it's poor word choice / the author not being able to read the feature list properly.
Far as I know only Scrappers are getting a new Pool and only sets missing a 5th power are getting a new power.
Of course I hope I'm wrong. But I'm pretty sure the i16 feature list doesn't mention any new pools for anyone except scrappers (who are just getting a copy of the Tanks one from what I can tell).
I thought so too but I don't this that posi and horatio would make that mistake. It does sound like the devs are giving Heroes a new epic power pool and villains an extra power for brutes/VEATS.
I mean if this is the case I will call it quits, I am getting increasingly tired of blueside getting all the shiny stuff and we get overlooked. If blueside APP's get 1 whole new set for each mastery and a 5th power then thats just a plain insult. I doubt we are getting a new patron...I highly doubt we are getting anything but an extra power for the already mentioned AT.
Sad...very sad...
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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
I thought so too but I don't this that posi and horatio would make that mistake. It does sound like the devs are giving Heroes a new epic power pool and villains an extra power for brutes/VEATS.
I mean if this is the case I will call it quits, I am getting increasingly tired of blueside getting all the shiny stuff and we get overlooked. If blueside APP's get 1 whole new set for each mastery and a 5th power then thats just a plain insult. I doubt we are getting a new patron...I highly doubt we are getting anything but an extra power for the already mentioned AT. Sad...very sad... |
Scrappers had the FEWEST choices for Ancillary Pools out of any AT. They had a grand total of three choices. They are being brought up to being tied for the fewest number of choices. I highly doubt that any other AT is going to be getting anything but 5th powers for existing sets that don't have 5 powers in them.
But villains will be getting something this issue that they can use. Could they use to get more? Of course they could. But they will be getting something.
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It's a power called "Wretch Think" and inflicts a self mag 4 stun.
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I'm leaning towards poor word choice. We haven't heard anything about new EPPs other than Blaze Mastery and a single vagely worded sentence seems a poor way for the devs to reveal it.
I think it's time for a Dr. Aeon patron pool.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
I thought so too but I don't this that posi and horatio would make that mistake. It does sound like the devs are giving Heroes a new epic power pool and villains an extra power for brutes/VEATS.
I mean if this is the case I will call it quits, I am getting increasingly tired of blueside getting all the shiny stuff and we get overlooked. If blueside APP's get 1 whole new set for each mastery and a 5th power then thats just a plain insult. I doubt we are getting a new patron...I highly doubt we are getting anything but an extra power for the already mentioned AT. Sad...very sad... |
It does seem like this is a misunderstanding, although it would be awesome to see more Patrons. Silver Mantis and Barracuda are already contacts, so they could just add another arc to them (although I don't know if the game differentiates from TF contacts and regular contacts, would be a shame if that were a limiting factor). If they couldn't add content to the SF contacts, they could just add it to that character's Patron (Black Scorpion and Mako, respectively); in this way, the villain Patrons could have branching pools, allowing you to do Black Scorpion's arc and choose either Mace Mastery or Crazy Kinky Spike Mastery.
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Originally Posted by Adeon_Hawkwood
I'm leaning towards poor word choice. We haven't heard anything about new EPPs other than Blaze Mastery and a single vagely worded sentence seems a poor way for the devs to reveal it.
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The devs havent exactly denied it...I mean it does feel right, they did say that there were alot of things they didnt want to say
Lets take defenders:
Primary sets:
Archery
Dark Blast
Electrical Blast
Energy Blast
Ice Blast
Psychic Blast
Radiation Blast
Sonic Attack
Secondary sets
Cold Domination
Dark Miasma
Empathy
Force Field
Kinetics
Radiation Emission
Sonic Resonance
Storm Summoning
Trick Arrow
EPP
Dark Mastery
Electricity Mastery
Power Mastery
Psychic Mastery
I could see them adding cold mastery. It isnt farfetched.
My post may be considered a whine but come on...Bluepops get 1 whole new EPP and 1 extra power to the existing EPP's and villains might get a new power for brutes VEATs if anything? How the hell is my whine not reasonable?
I think we need some sorta of Redname clarification here because for what
its worth i16 should be renamed "i16:Colorful Misconceptions"
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Because you won't be able to use the proliferated powersets to Villains? Or make use of Power Customization redside?
Scrappers had the FEWEST choices for Ancillary Pools out of any AT. They had a grand total of three choices. They are being brought up to being tied for the fewest number of choices. I highly doubt that any other AT is going to be getting anything but 5th powers for existing sets that don't have 5 powers in them. But villains will be getting something this issue that they can use. Could they use to get more? Of course they could. But they will be getting something. |
You also are getting some of our powers ::Enter zone of speculation:: plus an extra 5 pools...plus an extra power for each pool that already exists!
doesnt sound fair? I reall hope its a misprint/misconception on the websites part...
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The Scrapper AT, who has only had three epic choices SINCE BEFORE VILLAINS EXISTED, is getting ONE new pool. Every villain has had four choices since 2006. How you can see your complaint as reasonable is beyond me.
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The only new epic set being added is Blaze Mastery for Scrappers. No other archetype is gaining access to any additional sets. The only other changes to epic sets are the inclusion of a fifth power in the sets that only had 4 up to this point.
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While I do like the core idea, it has the unfortunate potential for a lot of overlap. Leviathan Mastery would apply to both Mako and Barracuda, so I'm not sure what you could really do there. And Ice Mistral's pool would overlap slightly with Leviathan due to its handful of ice powers.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
It does seem like this is a misunderstanding, although it would be awesome to see more Patrons. Silver Mantis and Barracuda are already contacts, so they could just add another arc to them (although I don't know if the game differentiates from TF contacts and regular contacts, would be a shame if that were a limiting factor). If they couldn't add content to the SF contacts, they could just add it to that character's Patron (Black Scorpion and Mako, respectively); in this way, the villain Patrons could have branching pools, allowing you to do Black Scorpion's arc and choose either Mace Mastery or Crazy Kinky Spike Mastery.
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I'd go for some other patrons that touch on aspects of Arachnos not included by teh_fore. Kalinda's Fortune Mastery would be a good one. Or Dr. Aeon's Time Mastery would be fun... Viridian's Extortion Mastery?
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I don't think he is complaining about scrappers being brought up to speed (or closer at least), but rather that the article mentions only epics and not patrons and states that each AT will get a new epic set AND all will have a choice of 5 powers.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
The Scrapper AT, who has only had three epic choices SINCE BEFORE VILLAINS EXISTED, is getting ONE new pool. Every villain has had four choices since 2006. How you can see your complaint as reasonable is beyond me.
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So that could mean he is upset that blasters could be getting psy master, defs with cold mastery, trollers with who knows what etc etc, while villains get a single power in the brute Mu patron.
That would be a legitimate complaint if it were the case especially given how bland the ppp's tend to be thematically. However, I believe it is ONLY scrappers getting a new epic set AND all sets with only 4 powers are getting a 5th added.
*However, note that on the charaterr screen ppp's are references as "epic powers", so with the passage stating "epic" does not necessarily mean it won't include villains. As mentioned it would mean promoting another villain to patron status, or something to that effect.
But I'm preparing myself for just scrapper fire app and 5 powers across all sets.
Edit: also based on what Bab's said about specifically requesting easy power set proliferations so that he wouldn't need to do new animations has me think that any new epic/patron choices are entirely recycled powers, or didn't happen.
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
I'd go for some other patrons that touch on aspects of Arachnos not included by teh_fore. Kalinda's Fortune Mastery would be a good one. Or Dr. Aeon's Time Mastery would be fun... Viridian's Extortion Mastery?
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
I'd go for some other patrons that touch on aspects of Arachnos not included by teh_fore. Kalinda's Fortune Mastery would be a good one. Or Dr. Aeon's Time Mastery would be fun... Viridian's Extortion Mastery?
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And actually, those are all great ideas. Just need a fourth to round them out.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Spy Mastery.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
I thought so too but I don't this that posi and horatio would make that mistake. It does sound like the devs are giving Heroes a new epic power pool and villains an extra power for brutes/VEATS.
I mean if this is the case I will call it quits, I am getting increasingly tired of blueside getting all the shiny stuff and we get overlooked. If blueside APP's get 1 whole new set for each mastery and a 5th power then thats just a plain insult. I doubt we are getting a new patron...I highly doubt we are getting anything but an extra power for the already mentioned AT. Sad...very sad... |
Wow. I'm hoping their going to think things through a little better than this. Seriously. SOME kind of substanital new content for reside. This has just gotten stupid. I've kind of run out of things to brag about with this game, and this kind of thing is making it really, really hard to get anyone to try it.
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Originally Posted by King_Moloch
Wow. I'm hoping their going to think things through a little better than this. Seriously. SOME kind of substanital new content for reside. This has just gotten stupid. I've kind of run out of things to brag about with this game, and this kind of thing is making it really, really hard to get anyone to try it.
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Co-op content would be fine if my villain is presented with an alternative path at some point where I can F over the heroes big time if I so choose, but I understand that would entail a mountain of complexities that go pretty far beyond what is currently presented in the game.
So, you think the blue side is going to get royally screwed over by Going Rogue as well? I mean, the added content for Villians will be massive, but not so much for the heroes.... 
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The added content for villains who choose to quit redside altogether will be massive. For heros who go to the rogue isles, not so much. I fail to see that as a win for the redsiders.
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Originally Posted by Redbone
So, you think the blue side is going to get royally screwed over by Going Rogue as well? I mean, the added content for Villians will be massive, but not so much for the heroes....
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I wouldn't be surprised if the lion's share of new content we're going to see in the near term will be in GR. I 16 strikes me as more of a game functionality issue.
The number of new zones in the paid expansion might be quite substantial, and I have to wonder about all the implications of the zone exemping and I13pvp mechanics, and what those might imply for some of the GR areas.
But whatever's added, however they do it, sooner or later Redside epic proliferation will demand a new patron or two, or else some patronless epics.
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You tired of playing tag along hero in the co-op content? strange.
Co-op content would be fine if my villain is presented with an alternative path at some point where I can F over the heroes big time if I so choose, but I understand that would entail a mountain of complexities that go pretty far beyond what is currently presented in the game. |
What I'd like to see redside, and preferably see outside the context of AE, would be the addition of arcs or missions with a grander scale then just knocking over a bank or breaking up bits of a city.
I'd like to manipulate entire financial sectors, disrupt international trade for my own fun, conquer entire island nations (on the sly of course, no reason why my puppet president can't wear a big grin when longbow visits) and even subvert major world governments. Ok, sure not at level 12, but by 50? come on! at that point Looking in the newspaper for a quick snatch and grab might be ok for light entertainment, but that's not a good final career path.
Until redside allows something a little grander than henchman thuggery, and essentially irrelevant vengeance attacks on the freedom phalanx, it'll be disappointing.
The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie!
Depending on how you interpret this, you might well arrive at the conclusion that each archtype was getting a new epic power set.
That's rather easy to imagine for scrappers and defenders et al., but for red side?
How does one add another patron pool without another patron?
Would the non-subservient finally get their shot at a patronless epic?
Would an existing character now have patron status?
Would LR himself now have a pool?
Or is this just a bit of a twist on the word choice?
For reference the passage in question reads:
"Issue 16 will also improve on the Epic Power Pools. Each archetype is getting an additional power set in their epic power pool, and each power set is getting an additional power so that there will be five powers from which to choose. Using the scrapper as an example: Blaze Mastery was a power set added to the Epic Power Pool which will include the powers Ring of Fire, Char, Fire Blast, Melt Armor, and Fireball. In addition the Body Mastery power set had the power Physical Perfection added for a total of five powers. "
The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie!