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When people throw stones they have to expect that some of those stones are gonna be deflected and bounce right back at the attacker. Self defense or standing up for rights is not attacking.

That's rather the point though, Chan. A GLBT SG is a fantastic idea, because it allows people who simply can't be outspoken in their orientation to do so, simply by joining the group - and on the internet, even better for those who for one reason or another, prefer to stay anonymous.

I just feel one's orientation should never be a defining feature of who someone is. Just because it's boring. People are complex and interesting. That's what I want to know about - whether you're a doctor, or an archaeologist, or collect string - the fun stuff! And I think (bear in mind this is just me interpreting Cherokee's posts, as everyone is doing) that's what Cherokee means too. Surround yourself with like minded people, always be proud of who you are - but at the same time, there are specific places to discuss sexual orientation, and places where it's not really encouraged. Not due to discrimination, but just because it's not relevant.

All Cherokee is doing is linking orientation to intercourse, and while obviously that is not always the case, sometimes it can be. It was simply an assumption, which has turned into an argument.

Then there's the fact two seperate forums have now merged, and each of us have been through threads like this before I'm sure - with different outcomes. We had one on the EU forums a couple of years ago, which turned into a PUBLIC attack. It was bizarre, but it's left me, at least, wary of where threads like this can go.

People, the man-love has gone off the boil a bit here - it's smoldering now when it should be raging - please correct this as soon as possible.

Sure thing MrCaptainMan, I dont mean to be severe, but things like that just get way under my skin. I didnt take what you said as to refering to me being native american. Just seeing who will show their hypocrisy now that I admitted 2 thing people hate.

I'd be scared to let my kids play with some of the people in this thread.

Too much immaturity.

Cherokee: Don't see any particular need to bash you - you're perhaps a little too vehement for my tastes, and I believe that you have made a false assumption about the topic that was being discussed (re: difference between "sex" and "sexual orientation"), but that's no reason to "bash" you. You're entitled to your opinion as to what is and is not appropriate for discussion on a game forum where there are teenagers present, too. My disagreement with your perspective on the discussion does not in any way constitute an attempt to tell you that you should not have or voice that opinion. I have merely pointed out that your perspective on the discussion does not appear to match the perspective of the majority - if not, all - of the posters on this thread.

I will also point out that I wasn't actually calling you an <censored word for donkey>. It is a metaphor that my mother has used since I was a wee small child. Translated into literal-speak, it goes something like this: If you say something and one person disagrees, ignore them. If you say something and three people disagree, then perhaps they have a point that you should consider more carefully.

But, at the end of the day, the only people responsible for policing the discussions on this forum are the Rednames. Neither I nor anyone else here has that right, and your demand that the topic be closed came across as rude (to me, at least), and your perception of the topic at hand seemed flawed (to me, at least), and I responded to that.

Personally, I sincerely hope that the Rednames don't lock this thread, because it has been a very interesting discussion, quite insightful, and very well behaved. No one here has condemned anyone on the grounds of race, colour, creed, gender-preference, country, gender, age or, in fact, anything other than (perhaps) the words they have chosen to say.

As, in fact, has been stated numerous times on this thread, by a large number of people, and paraphrased here: I will judge no man or woman on ought but their words and deeds.

Explain to me this pulling tool idea? what is it that you feel this means?