When i first came to Paragon City
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Posted on: 2009-06-01 21:58 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
loosing the train of the thread people... keep it on the subject please.
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I completely disagree that the AE should be removed from the starter zones. It's actually quite difficult tog et the AE building in higher level zones if you want to play completely player-created content to play your character or if you just want to start off with a few lowbie arcs to skip the dribble at the first ten levels. Getting the Mercy AE was a challenge that got me killed. I do understand your reasoning for wanting to do this, but it does hurt those low-level characters who actually want to use the AE for playing player-created STORIES instead of random exploits and farms.
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And why should skipping the early content which helps you learn the game be 'easy' (i dont believe its hard at all)? If its hard for a player, its likely because you dont know the ways to make it easier, which would suggest you should indeed do the content.
I dont want you to think im being rude here, but getting to Mercy is very, very easy and there are multiple ways of doing it.
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The game used to be alot more friendly. What you now have is a bunch of vets who are unhappy with the current situation and are looking to vent it - you just gave them an excuse.
I get annoyed by alot of atlas spam, which is why those people get put on ignore. End of story. I then go about my business.
What i have noticed however is that the newbies these days seem less inclined to actually listen to good, vet advice. *turns on grumpy old man voice* Back in my day, when you were new and obviously didnt know alot about your toon and vets offered you help with making it more powerful, you noted it, went away and looked into it since you didnt want to suck. I watched with equal amazement and a twisted sense of 'car crash' as the worst fire tank ive ever seen dished abuse to all who attempted to help them fix their toon which couldnt tank S/L damage mobs which any of my scrappers would tank for brunch. Yeah, brunch, not even breakfast :P
Anyway, dont worry about the Atlas thing, people are just grumpy. As long as you arent taking the P, dont worry about it. People are idiots in real life and on the net. They just get more brave on the net because you cant see them...
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Yes i agree there are some helpful Vets, but i would say now the majority are not willing to help what so ever anymore. I would safely say if it wasnt for a few lovely Vets that i came to my rescue i wouldnt be playing the game.
I do agree if they took the MA building out of atlas it would be fantastic, happier vets, less broadcasts flying around the place and it would give the newbies a chance to get some good help.
But, even tho we have the MA building in atlas and the Vets dont like this, there is no need for there anger at it to then be taken out on new players who just simply want a little help.
Especially when in a mish, rather than having a go at someone who is not doing very well in the mish tell them how to improve there player. Its not all about the XP.
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Yeah its a shame actually. PuGs were a great way for new players to brush shoulders with vets and learn from them. AE could have been even better, since with auto-SK it allows everyone to team together. It *should* have allowed day1 players to team with 2,3,4,5 year vets and learn alot. Its a shame this hasnt happened 
That is something i do miss, the generally helpful attitude of the playerbase and the way everyone seemed to mingle. We seem alot more divided these days.
Also, is it just my perception or do we have alot more younger players now than we did? When i first joined this was the most mature playerbase of any MMO i had played. Seems to have fallen back inline with most others now.
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Also, is it just my perception or do we have alot more younger players now than we did? When i first joined this was the most mature playerbase of any MMO i had played. Seems to have fallen back inline with most others now.
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Perhaps that ties in with the plethora of Comic Book Hero Movie Adaptations? (CBHMA?). I'd agree with this perception.
To The OP, if you've got mondays free, check out this thread if you'd like to meet some nicer Veteran players. I pushed my bounderies a bit and have met some wonderful players, some of which I knew of from the forums.
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I completely disagree that the AE should be removed from the starter zones. It's actually quite difficult tog et the AE building in higher level zones if you want to play completely player-created content to play your character or if you just want to start off with a few lowbie arcs to skip the dribble at the first ten levels. Getting the Mercy AE was a challenge that got me killed. I do understand your reasoning for wanting to do this, but it does hurt those low-level characters who actually want to use the AE for playing player-created STORIES instead of random exploits and farms.
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The Kings Row AE building is not very far from the train at all. I'd be more then happy to travel to there from Atlas/Galaxy. At the end of the day the last thing any of us want is a new players first experience of the game to be people farming. As the OP has said we want new players to feel welcome and enjoy the community. Not have people asking them to join a farming team or see other players be abused for broadcasting his/her SG recruiting advert.
I haven't done any form of PvP for a long time due to many reasons and the abusive and elitist attitude of some PvPers is just one of them.
Havens, if you are wanting to find some good people to PvP with, I can put onto some SG mates who are into PvP for fun. Send me a message here, or in game @DaveNSmith
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Also, is it just my perception or do we have alot more younger players now than we did? When i first joined this was the most mature playerbase of any MMO i had played. Seems to have fallen back inline with most others now.
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Perhaps that ties in with the plethora of Comic Book Hero Movie Adaptations? (CBHMA?). I'd agree with this perception.
To The OP, if you've got mondays free, check out this thread if you'd like to meet some nicer Veteran players. I pushed my bounderies a bit and have met some wonderful players, some of which I knew of from the forums.
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I completely disagree that the AE should be removed from the starter zones. It's actually quite difficult tog et the AE building in higher level zones if you want to play completely player-created content to play your character or if you just want to start off with a few lowbie arcs to skip the dribble at the first ten levels.
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The heroes side has the mission architect building in Kings Row. Any toon at lvl 5+ should be able to negotiate KR quite easily. Besides, how long does it take to gain the first 10 levels in this game anyway? An hour or two at the most for someone who knows what they are doing and I don't think someone new to the game should be worrying about the MA anyway.
To the OP, honestly I know exactly what you mean.
However, the best thing you can do is weather the storm and ignore these so called 'vets'. Honestly half of them aren't, they are just powerleveled idiots that take it upon themselves to throw ancient, elitist ideas at everyone.
I myself, who have played an Empath since launch, have been given mighty abuse lately for daring to use my blast powers from apparent 'vets', checking their badges...level 50's with not a badge count over '60' between them, although many of them including the 'veteran' badges lead me to the conclusion to leave the team and add them to global ignore!
I have found so many times that MA has done nothing but allow the, usually low profile, powerlevelers and farmers to get a sense of notoriety that they don't deserve.
If, in future, you get any unwelcome or ugly responses to your SG recruiting, do simply ignore them. There is no place for unwanted, threatening behavior in an MMO, similarly to real life.
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I completely disagree that the AE should be removed from the starter zones. It's actually quite difficult tog et the AE building in higher level zones if you want to play completely player-created content to play your character or if you just want to start off with a few lowbie arcs to skip the dribble at the first ten levels.
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The heroes side has the mission architect building in Kings Row. Any toon at lvl 5+ should be able to negotiate KR quite easily. Besides, how long does it take to gain the first 10 levels in this game anyway? An hour or two at the most for someone who knows what they are doing and I don't think someone new to the game should be worrying about the MA anyway.
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Exactly what i was implying in my post...
Further to this, getting to Mercy is fairly easy as well, even if you are lvl 1 and on foot. It just takes knowledge of mob avoidance/the map, which if you dont know, again, you shouldnt be worried about MA anyway.
I agree with Havens point about the way that new players are treated.
They should be nurtured and helped along to gain a respect for each archetype and the game as a whole.
Introduce them to things gradually rather than plunging them into the 'deep end.'
They are the life blood for this games continued existence.
Make their time a happy one and they'll subscribe for longer.
I've had mixed dealings with veteran players, on the whole most have been helpful but a couple have left me thinking 'what the heck' and 'why am I bothering.'
As for the SG broadcasting, a few of my characters need a good home. So give me some details and next time I'm on with them I'll let you know.
I'm only a casual player so it may be sometime.
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I myself, who have played an Empath since launch, have been given mighty abuse lately for daring to use my blast powers from apparent 'vets'...
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You got abuse for blasting? Unless you happened to be blasting when people needed healing (i personally left a team recently because it took me 25mins into a mission to see any evidence that the empath was actually an empath and 2 team wipes occurred due to him playing offender) then those 'vets' werent vets at all!
Multitasking is the sign of a true defender (or corruptor, imho).
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I agree with Havens point about the way that new players are treated.
They should be nurtured and helped along to gain a respect for each archetype and the game as a whole.
Introduce them to things gradually rather than plunging them into the 'deep end.'
They are the life blood for this games continued existence.
Make their time a happy one and they'll subscribe for longer.
I've had mixed dealings with veteran players, on the whole most have been helpful but a couple have left me thinking 'what the heck' and 'why am I bothering.'
As for the SG broadcasting, a few of my characters need a good home. So give me some details and next time I'm on with them I'll let you know.
I'm only a casual player so it may be sometime.
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@Havens is my global name. Give us a bell sometime.
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Im glad im not the only one who thinks these newbies are being treated badly. And of course me and them should ignore these idiots that insist they are better than everyone else. But of course you want to feel welcome by all on this game.
Helping lower levels along and being social to them etc, should be rewarded in some way i think. To encourage a more social and friendly game play.
I may only have been playing 2 months and a bit now but i am a rather well established player and i just see this as a shame. If i didnt enjoy the game so much i would leave due to the Vet/high level big heads.
Anyone who is interested in joining an SG that infact helps and teaches and rescues the newbies. Give us a bell. Global names above. We are a home for any player
Screw those horrid hardcore gamers and lets show them how the game should be played!
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You got abuse for blasting? Unless you happened to be blasting when people needed healing..
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Rarely does a member of a team fall when I'm emping for a team 
However, when the team is fully buffed and raking through a mission with little or no damage, I find it highly irresponsible for an Empath especially to just stand there waiting for heals, hence the odd blast here and there between rebuffing.
I got the usual "HEAL ME!" rubbish, and also abuse for spamming CM on the squishies...
Suffice to say, indeed it was not a team of vets, whatever their 'veteran' badge count was..
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Im glad im not the only one who thinks these newbies are being treated badly.
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Don't worry, it isn't just 'new' players who get treated badly As I said, I've recieved plenty of abuse from these morons myself.
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Anyone who is interested in joining an SG that infact helps and teaches and rescues the newbies. Give us a bell. Global names above. We are a home for any player
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Which server are you on? Might be a help for people to know before contacting you for a SG invite 
Simple solution, stop healing and buffing the idiots having a go at you. They'll soon come to their senses.
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There are a lot of jerks in this world. Unfortunately many of the ones that play CoH also PvP or hang around in Atlas Park.
Pay them no mind, there's plenty of us vets around that DON'T treat people like that.
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Very true, FFM
I remember once I got a guy moaning at me on my WP scrapper because I had to use rest even though I had QR. Thankfully there are a lot of worthwhile players that are easy to be around.
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Simple solution, stop healing and buffing the idiots having a go at you. They'll soon come to their senses.
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Of course, the "let idiots die" method of Emping has been my approach since 2005
I just leave the team, and allow them to carry on without me these days, usually after I've watched them walk into a big pile of debt..
I don't think people like that really ever come to their senses, they all live with very tight ideas about how you have to play the game, similarly to the outdated (yet annoyingly returning) logic of "we need a healer!".
I don't mind blasting defenders if they use their primary as well. Several of the secondaries has good debuffs and mitigation.
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Simple solution, stop healing and buffing the idiots having a go at you. They'll soon come to their senses.
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Of course, the "let idiots die" method of Emping has been my approach since 2005
I just leave the team, and allow them to carry on without me these days, usually after I've watched them walk into a big pile of debt..
I don't think people like that really ever come to their senses, they all live with very tight ideas about how you have to play the game, similarly to the outdated (yet annoyingly returning) logic of "we need a healer!".
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I had a mid 30's invinc scrapper tell me not to 'waste' my heals on them as they were invicinble and didn't need them. So I stopped healing them. It took one more mission and them dying a couple of times before they apologised. He was good about it though, realised that sometimes the empath needs to heal.
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There are a lot of jerks in this world. Unfortunately many of the ones that play CoH also PvP or hang around in Atlas Park.
Pay them no mind, there's plenty of us vets around that DON'T treat people like that.
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Very true, FFM
I remember once I got a guy moaning at me on my WP scrapper because I had to use rest even though I had QR. Thankfully there are a lot of worthwhile players that are easy to be around.
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You can't be serious? Why would anyone moan about that?! 
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I wonder what server you were on? I'm not trying to advocate one from the other and I'm only talking from my experience. I play mostly on Defiant and I find almost every player (new and vet) to be very friendly, sure there has been the occasional "idiot", however this has been a very rare event for me. I have ventured onto Union a few times (red & blue) and I was surprised by the difference. But then perhaps it's reasonable to assume that more players would provide a greater range of different personalities.
Perhaps I've just been lucky but I have to say that even when I join a team of people I don't know, usually they're all great fun people and I still think that coh has a great community. I do play everyday too.
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I don't mind blasting defenders if they use their primary as well. Several of the secondaries has good debuffs and mitigation.
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Exactly. As anyone with sense knows, once you have enough buffs the team requires very little healing at all - at this point all i expect from the emp is to be there when/if we do need the odd heal. Other than that, let them play how they wish. If they wanna blast away, its only gonna make things die faster which is better than standing around waiting to pop a single heal every 23 seconds...
Oh and the 'we need a healer' attitude is indeed returning in a way i havent seen since 2004. Worrying. Ive had to start telling people what i told them back when i started as a FF fender - if you dont get hit you dont need healing!
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I wonder what server you were on? I'm not trying to advocate one from the other and I'm only talking from my experience. I play mostly on Defiant and I find almost every player (new and vet) to be very friendly, sure there has been the occasional "idiot", however this has been a very rare event for me. I have ventured onto Union a few times (red & blue) and I was surprised by the difference. But then perhaps it's reasonable to assume that more players would provide a greater range of different personalities.
Perhaps I've just been lucky but I have to say that even when I join a team of people I don't know, usually they're all great fun people and I still think that coh has a great community. I do play everyday too.
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All i will say in reply to this is...
"the joys of union!"
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We need more new members to the game to liven it up, and to get that we need these players to be polite, bare with the newbies, and damn well help!!!
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A lot of it would go if the devs would listen to us and remove the MA buildings from the starter zones. There's really no need at all to have an MA in every single zone...
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Spot on FFM.
AE buildings should quite simply not be in a starter zone. As the OP says Atlas is now indeed a farming zone, which is a sad state of affairs.
I have no gripe with farming, and indeed use certain farm maps to set the challenge higher for me and my SG/Coalition mates. The higher rate of inf and xp is incidental to me.
The animosity that the OP encountered to broadcasting for his SG has more than likely been compounded by the amount of broadcasts in Atlas for MA teams, which many people find annoying.
The solution is obvious.
Remove the AE building from Atlas.
The devs should simply chalk it up to experience and admit that it was an error putting one there in the first place.
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The game used to be alot more friendly. What you now have is a bunch of vets who are unhappy with the current situation and are looking to vent it - you just gave them an excuse.
I get annoyed by alot of atlas spam, which is why those people get put on ignore. End of story. I then go about my business.
What i have noticed however is that the newbies these days seem less inclined to actually listen to good, vet advice. *turns on grumpy old man voice* Back in my day, when you were new and obviously didnt know alot about your toon and vets offered you help with making it more powerful, you noted it, went away and looked into it since you didnt want to suck. I watched with equal amazement and a twisted sense of 'car crash' as the worst fire tank ive ever seen dished abuse to all who attempted to help them fix their toon which couldnt tank S/L damage mobs which any of my scrappers would tank for brunch. Yeah, brunch, not even breakfast :P
Anyway, dont worry about the Atlas thing, people are just grumpy. As long as you arent taking the P, dont worry about it. People are idiots in real life and on the net. They just get more brave on the net because you cant see them...
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Yes i agree there are some helpful Vets, but i would say now the majority are not willing to help what so ever anymore. I would safely say if it wasnt for a few lovely Vets that i came to my rescue i wouldnt be playing the game.
I do agree if they took the MA building out of atlas it would be fantastic, happier vets, less broadcasts flying around the place and it would give the newbies a chance to get some good help.
But, even tho we have the MA building in atlas and the Vets dont like this, there is no need for there anger at it to then be taken out on new players who just simply want a little help.
Especially when in a mish, rather than having a go at someone who is not doing very well in the mish tell them how to improve there player. Its not all about the XP.