Base permissions need more fine control
By
Cass_,
Posted on: 2009-03-25 18:07 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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based on prestige accumulated
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That's pretty much inviting in infiltrators. if you just have to do a little grinding for prestige to then rob an SG...
be prepared to get robbed.
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based on prestige accumulated
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That's pretty much inviting in infiltrators. if you just have to do a little grinding for prestige to then rob an SG...
be prepared to get robbed.
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Still, doesn't change the fact that the permission system is extremely poor though. I mostly stay away from SG's, so I've never had any trouble with people stealing from SG's, but even I can see that it's a problem. Yet another corner cut way too narrow by the devs..
Unless there are specific rules in place that says members must only take so much per day then what the player did is perfectly fine (not saying its right though!).
If there isnt then it is up to you the leader to make it specificly known that the salvage is not for financial gain, but for the supergroups use to invent IOs. Otherwise whose to say that taking something thats there (after reaching the allowed rank) and selling it for their own use is wrong?
The safest method of having a foolproof safe system is the personal vault. Let them known you'll have 30 rare salvages in there and to contact you/one of the leaders if they want anything.
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
i argee and has been mention loads before tht sal in sgs need more protection from [censored]
I agree with your comments guys, but I did (stupidly) put in the message of the day what I had done and that it was to help with crafting recipes not for selling, and not to be greedy. I was so tired after all the converting i didn't really want to log in lots of alts to put into the vault. I had intended myself and the other leader to do it within the next couple of days. My leader alt's vault storage was full of my own salvage that I was saving for some sets I had recently bought. Unfortunately the offending member got in there before i could.
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I agree with your comments guys, but I did (stupidly) put in the message of the day what I had done and that it was to help with crafting recipes not for selling, and not to be greedy. I was so tired after all the converting i didn't really want to log in lots of alts to put into the vault. I had intended myself and the other leader to do it within the next couple of days. My leader alt's vault storage was full of my own salvage that I was saving for some sets I had recently bought. Unfortunately the offending member got in there before i could.
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In that case then, grab your torches and pickforks ladies and gentlemen!!!! Its noobhunting time! 
(oooooo good idea for an arc!!!)
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And what other criteria can you put on members for promotion to use facilities? Too harsh and people leave, too lenient and you might as well not have permissions in the first place. Myself and my co-leader took over when the original SG creator left and we agreed to keep the requirements for promotion at the levels that had worked before we took over. Prestige is an indicator that someone is willing to work to pay for the convenience of base facilities. To be honest, one bad apple will always spoil it for everybody else. The rest of the SG members who have contacted me in the last couple of days are as shocked and annoyed as I was. It hasn't stopped me from loving this game and the community. I still think it is one of the best out there.
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I agree with your comments guys, but I did (stupidly) put in the message of the day what I had done and that it was to help with crafting recipes not for selling, and not to be greedy. I was so tired after all the converting i didn't really want to log in lots of alts to put into the vault. I had intended myself and the other leader to do it within the next couple of days. My leader alt's vault storage was full of my own salvage that I was saving for some sets I had recently bought. Unfortunately the offending member got in there before i could.
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Ask a GM , see what they say. As they now seem to want to start mediating SG problems in i14, ask one to start now, get a bit of practise in.
Tell him you crafted the items, clearly said they were not to be taken for profit, and not all by one person.
See if you get the usual [censored] reply, its your fault for giving the permission, or actually get something useful done.
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I agree with your comments guys, but I did (stupidly) put in the message of the day what I had done and that it was to help with crafting recipes not for selling, and not to be greedy. I was so tired after all the converting i didn't really want to log in lots of alts to put into the vault. I had intended myself and the other leader to do it within the next couple of days. My leader alt's vault storage was full of my own salvage that I was saving for some sets I had recently bought. Unfortunately the offending member got in there before i could.
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In that case then, grab your torches and pickforks ladies and gentlemen!!!! Its noobhunting time!
(oooooo good idea for an arc!!!)
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If I knew where the offending member lived I'd use more than a pitchfork 
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There is only one major fix for bases, along with a SG fix.
Storage containers now have rank based permissions for each storage container. So each container can be set so specific ranks can add or remove items from that storage container.
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Will this be of any use to you?
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There is only one major fix for bases, along with a SG fix.
Storage containers now have rank based permissions for each storage container. So each container can be set so specific ranks can add or remove items from that storage container.
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Will this be of any use to you?
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hadn't seen that before. A little late for my particular problem but welcome for others security.
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There is only one major fix for bases, along with a SG fix.
Storage containers now have rank based permissions for each storage container. So each container can be set so specific ranks can add or remove items from that storage container.
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Will this be of any use to you?
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hadn't seen that before. A little late for my particular problem but welcome for others security.
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Has anybody be able to test this yet? I don't have anyone on the test server with an sg base so i cannot test it myself.
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In that case then, grab your torches and pickforks ladies and gentlemen!!!! Its noobhunting time!
(oooooo good idea for an arc!!!)
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Good idea. spread the word in game and lets have a bbq
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In that case then, grab your torches and pickforks ladies and gentlemen!!!! Its noobhunting time!
(oooooo good idea for an arc!!!)
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Good idea. spread the word in game and lets have a bbq
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Must invent semi-auto pitchfork gun!
... ooh and I must bring some bbq ribs!
This is one of the reason's I'm leader of two SGs.
One is reasonable active an coalitioned up alot. I have filled it many times over with base salavage when going for the 10k badge and don't car if people fill their boots. After all I used 5,000 items of base salvage people had added in the passed 4 years to make the stuff.
The second is just my farmer and all my other alts. It has a large plot and is stuff full of the good [censored]. It's coalitioned to the other SG so I can use the TPs, but other than my crafting badge hunter and my farming toon, no one has permission to take from the base.
I think it gives the ebst of both worlds. Security for my loot, but when my base is full I just dump stuff in the active SG storage for people to help them selves.
3 other people in the coalition do the same thing and it seems to work for us.
Name and Shame can't be done on the forums. Good thing that you can get that kind of information in-game most of the time...
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Hmm I seem to remember a feature that will come when i-14 hits us. That you can put permissions on salvage racks. Have not tested this myself, but...
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I know we aren't allowed to name and shame so I have to speak in general terms......
Our SG has always been open and friendly, but recently we have had the problem others have had in that a recently promoted member has stolen a lot of stuff from base storage.
I spent ages converting base salvage to invention storage and put it into storage containers. The next day I was looking at the log and saw that 150 of the most expensive rare salvage had been taken by one member who then left the SG. It was all the hamidon goo, pangean soil, impervium etc that I had intended to spread through the members who need it.
Now, I understand the argument that i shouldn't have left the permissions active to prevent this from happening, but it needed 2 promotions to get to the access level (based on prestige accumulated) and the inspiration storage and enhancement storage is something we all use a lot. The log shows that people use them regularly so my point becomes, we need more fine control of permissions. Before, when someone stole base salvage it was annoying but not really that profitable. Now, if someone is of a thieving bent it is possible to steal millions of inf worth of salvage. We need the three storages with seperate permissions so that we can choose the level of access for each of them, not a blanket permission of yes or no for all of them.
I was against the change in salvage when it was introduced, and nothing has changed my mind towards thinking it was a good idea.