Give us back our MoG! Please?
By
Archie Gremlin,
Posted on: 2009-01-14 23:57 in Suggestions and Ideas
I trust the devs enough to think that if they nerfed MoG, then they had a good reason to do so. Bringing back something that was quite possible overpowered will not fix anything.
Now it is entirely possible that MoG was nerfed to much, so perhaps a better option would be to find some middle ground between the current MoG and the old MoG, to bring it in line with the other god mode powers. And then apply that middle ground to both players and NPCs.
Actually, if I recall, old MoG actually prevented Regen, the same way it prevented you being healed in any way. I was one of those who never took it and rarely felt the need for it.
And I was under the impression that new MoG still had the resistance and defence, without the health penalties, making it useful for alpha strikes (which is where Regen wasw always weak)
However, it turned out that Smith was not a time-travelling Terminator
The old MoG reduced your max hp to a pittence, prevented regen, and after game changes to defence activating it actually reduced your suvivability.
The new version retains the +res and +def, without the hp penalty. The payoff is the much reduced duration.
The change was a buff not a nerf.
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I'd still want 30secs of it.
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Old MoG; Can still be seen in use by Regen NPCs such as Crey Paragon Protectors, Valkyrie and some of the Praetorians. Possibly others. The user is set to low health, no matter how high they start out, and gain a glorious ammount of defence, resistance and, iirc, regen. It was the Tier 9 of the Regen set, leveled with all the other 'Ultimates'.
New MoG; A 15 second regen boost.
...No, really, that is. A 15 second burst of rapid regen on a HUGE timer...
I know I'm not the only one that thinks this is daft. There should be, IMO, one of two things happen.
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As others have said, the old MoG gave no regen at all and actually made you unhealable for the duration.
The new MoG is nothing like what you said, and gives a big +DEF and +RES boost with no change to regeneration at all.
As you were significantly wrong about what it did before, and wholly wrong about what it does now, you might want to re-evaluate the "the new one's rubbish, change it back" thing... 
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Also, neither the old MoG nor the new MoG affect regen values in any way; though old MoG gave 100% Heal Resistance, iirc. The +regen godmode-style power in the Regeneration powerset is Instant Healing.
MoG was changed because the old one sucked.
I love the new MoG, it actually feels like a power that fits its name. It's a moment. It's enough to get you out of a tight bind, or to take the alpha, and then you are back to your usual regenning self.
So few people took the old one that it caused the Devs to relook at it. I'de love a longer timer on it, but quite like it how it is.
As for the NPCs that still have it, it would be oh so fun if Valk hit it, it would save having to stand there for 3 mins while she tried to chopo ppls heads off.
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2) Old MoG is re-introduced. What was the logic behind removing it in the first place?
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Because old MoG went against everything a regen scrapper stood for. Using it, it completly killed off all your regen,, set your hitpoints down in the red.
New MoG is much much much better if you use it right. Aka soaking Alpha strikes.
Hate to say it, but loving New MoG - perfect for dealing with the Clock King, Carnie Dark Ring Mistresses, Sappers and anyone else with an "I Win" opening shot. Happy to swap the longer duration for no crash...
Is it time for the dance of joy yet?
Just to confirm what others have said, according to Mids MoG gives you 71.3% defence and 71.3 resistance at Lvl 50. That's more protection than a Stone tanker's Granite Armour. It's enough to make you untouchable for 15 seconds. There's no penalty to using it either.
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New MoG is much much much better if you use it right. Aka soaking Alpha strikes.
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And for Scrappers, fifteen seconds respite can be more than enough to make absolute mincemeat out of the most annoying enemies if things go bad in the middle of a fight. With Regen doing what it does, that respite also means you'll blitz right back to full health again.
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I respecced INTO MoG once it changed, it's a superb boost now.
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I rather like my "Ha! In your face malta sapper!" button as it is, thank you very much.
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Another nerf to Elec Blasters 
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I respecced INTO MoG once it changed, it's a superb boost now.
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^--- This! 
Wow....All I can say in my defence is *ahem* -produces megaphone-
EPIC FAIL!
-hangs head and shuffles off-
Ok, but the point about old MoG on PPPs and some AVs still stands. E-v-i-l!
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Yes, I didn't like MoG on coming back, until I realised what it was for. Now loving it. Much more useful than the old one.
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I actually never really used MOG. Now, I can see myself getting it and using it and even slotting it perhaps.
Old MoG = power that shuts off your entire secondary set.
Why would ANYONE want to do that?
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Why would ANYONE want to do that?
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Well...
Originally, it could be made perma, and you were pretty much a god because you could basically stop yourself being hit at all.
Even without, it made you tough enough that you could tank AVs (big mean ones). As in I could tank AVs and if I could do it then anyone could.
Then it became a useful Get Out of Jail Free card, but that's about it. I mean, as Techbot says, it's kind of annoying that the mobs still have the old version, but they are a great example of why it was a very two-edged sword. They become just about invulnerable for a while, but if you can survive that period (and running away until it wears off is a valid strategy) they are going to die more or less as soon as it wears off.
So, as someone said, a slightly longer duration would be nice. You really have to hit it and then dive straight in. However, it's possibly one of the more useful tier 9 Scrapper powers now, having no real downside.
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Come to think of it, the only buff Regen really needs is some animation tweaks so it doesn't cause redraw. The exact same animations would suffice but with the weapon arm remaining by the side. I refuse to believe we live in a world of 3D animation so utterly cumbersome an existing one can't be modified.
That's about the only reason I don't play Regen (though the ruinous Integration aura helps), because I can't be bothered with the redraw, even worse considering the Scrapper primaries are laden with weapons.
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I found the new MOG on PP's pretty darn funny.
Old MOG: PP becomes an annoying SOB and takes its time helping your entire team face plant.
New MOG: PP tries to go all SOB with the cool MOG animation....2 seconds later...it's dead.
The problem I seen with PP's and the new MOG was the AI never changed....it still performed like it was going to be immortal for 30 seconds and just stood there waiting on its inevitable death.
So in other words the PP's were no longer feared...actually they were a joke and needed to be reverted to the old style of MOG to work right and be feared once again.
As for where I stand with having the old MOG for players.
I'm not sure how I feel about bringing it back, I liked the old MOG it had its uses but I like the new MOG as well , I'm glad the old MOG has gone regarding its use in PVP it was always an "I win" button and now its an "I survived" button.
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I found the new MOG on PP's pretty darn funny.
Old MOG: PP becomes an annoying SOB and takes its time helping your entire team face plant.
New MOG: PP tries to go all SOB with the cool MOG animation....2 seconds later...it's dead.
The problem I seen with PP's and the new MOG was the AI never changed....it still performed like it was going to be immortal for 30 seconds and just stood there waiting on its inevitable death.
So in other words the PP's were no longer feared...actually they were a joke and needed to be reverted to the old style of MOG to work right and be feared once again.
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Wait, they actually did change the MoG on PPs at one time? I musta missed that XD
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They hadn't changed it last time I fought them (maybe two weeks ago). I think that's the Elude version, which was always useless.
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MoG. Moment of Glory, for those like me that struggle at first with the many, many acronyms (thats things shortened down into a few letters
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Old MoG; Can still be seen in use by Regen NPCs such as Crey Paragon Protectors, Valkyrie and some of the Praetorians. Possibly others. The user is set to low health, no matter how high they start out, and gain a glorious ammount of defence, resistance and, iirc, regen. It was the Tier 9 of the Regen set, leveled with all the other 'Ultimates'.
New MoG; A 15 second regen boost.
...No, really, that is. A 15 second burst of rapid regen on a HUGE timer...
I know I'm not the only one that thinks this is daft. There should be, IMO, one of two things happen.
1) NPC MoG is nerfed to be level with PC MoG. So its a ludicrous regen boost for a few seconds. This would actually be nasty on AVs and such, seeing as they have high regen anyway. Potentially more nasty than old MoG, on them, now I think about it. Either way, the less desirable option.
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2) Old MoG is re-introduced. What was the logic behind removing it in the first place? As far as I can see from playing a regen scrapper, it cripples the set in comparison to other Tier 9 powers. If it was a PVP issue, the fact that most of the hardcore PVP base seem to have given up anyway totally negates the whole point. If there was a valid PVE issue, I am so far oblivious of it, and would love to be enlightened.