I'm defiantly of the opinion that posi and synapse need to be gentler introduction to TF's as i think they scare many people off form doing any more of the TF's. they should take and inexpranced team a couple of hours, not 6 or 7.
I think the first TF of the game should be something similar to KTF. 4 missions of which 1 consists an AV (could be EB for teams under 4 members).
A 4 mission chain with missions in different areas (Steel, Skyway, Perez etc) and an AV at the end will take an inexperienced team over an hour for sure. This will inevidently lead to experienced people farming this but we can already farm KTF quite efficiently so what's the big deal? Most people will still stick to KTF, no one wants to lose 2/3 of their powers when exemping down to 15.
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Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
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Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein
The true trial of positron is mentioned in Okton's post.
I've done the TF maybe 5 or 6 times and only one time have I enjoyed it. Team I was on was great fun, was too busy chatting to really focus on the game and played mostly on auto pilot (you know when you get to the end of the mission, everythings dead, the whole team's alive and yet no one remembers doing anything)
Posi was my first TF when I started playing in Feb, took till the September that year before I was willing to do my second. Its just so dull, citadel isn't much better but at least your characters are interesting by then.
They made Hess, they can do better than Posi.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
Yeah now see if Hess was the first TF you encountered, you would be gagging to do more of them.
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In fact I found the last mish to be the most enjoyable. You see the giant robot and go "Woah, nice..." and then once you done your task of defeating Burkholder you hear the sounds of "WHERES THE ESCAPE?" Awesome I tell ya.
Posi is so boring and drawn out, tbh if people didn't see how fun the others were then a lot less people would be doing TFs. And we still have people put off doing TFs because of Posi. It's been rediculous ever since it started.
I wouldn't mind "Posi fixed" on the new I14 features list.
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Exactly, Hess makes you feel like a real hero at the end, the travelling can be a bit of a pain without travel powers (bad exemp build, dont ask) but at least its all fairly near, the plot is very clear and there's a couple of swerve balls thrown at you too
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
And most importantly Hess TF isnt very long and boring at the same time. IMO, KTF is boring but it is short and that's why it's bearable. LGTF on the other hand while it can be quite long (over 3 hours) it isnt tedious.
- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
My Katana/Inv Guide
Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein
Can't help but think that if Hess was the 1st TF that people encountered then they'd be really let down when they realised that few other TFs match it.
iirc a couple of years ago (before ITF/STF/LGTF) Hess was named as being a favourite of at least some of the devs - and quite rightly so at the time. But it's partly because of the much higher quality of Hess/katie/ITF/STF/LGTF that some of the older TFs seem poor - with Posi and SSTF1 (1?) really sticking out as the poorest of the bunch.
It's just a real shame that Posi is the first you can do.. and so the first that many do do.
I'd be tempted to leave Positron pretty much as is - just some minor tweaking - mainly to not devalue the efforts of those hardy souls who have persisted through it already. And because it is part of an accolade that grants a reasonable bonus.
But I'd only leave it if another low level TF that was more like Katie or Hess got added... And I'd suggest that any new low-level TF got a mention from contacts - i.e actively steer people towards it rather than hoping players stumble upon it before Posi.
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It doesn't need fixing all that much - the major problem with it is that it's the first TF you can get, and its length means that it's almost impossible to finish without going into autoexemplar, and it's therefore the most likely to suffer from the 'hey, I'm not getting XP any more! I'm going!' problem.
Plus, although I can see why it's only got an EB rather than an AV at the end, he's not any different in appearance to a regular Eidlon so it feels like rather an anticlimax after such a long series of sometimes grueling tasks.
I'd suggest making a new TF, say four or five missions with an EB at the end, set entirely within one city zone, against someone weedy like the Skulls or the Hellions that could act as an 'introductory' TF for new players, and keeping Positron (maybe tweaking it a bit to add an AV or something) for more 'advanced' players.
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It doesn't need fixing all that much - the major problem with it is that it's the first TF you can get, and its length means that it's almost impossible to finish without going into autoexemplar, and it's therefore the most likely to suffer from the 'hey, I'm not getting XP any more! I'm going!' problem.
Plus, although I can see why it's only got an EB rather than an AV at the end, he's not any different in appearance to a regular Eidlon so it feels like rather an anticlimax after such a long series of sometimes grueling tasks.
I'd suggest making a new TF, say four or five missions with an EB at the end, set entirely within one city zone, against someone weedy like the Skulls or the Hellions that could act as an 'introductory' TF for new players, and keeping Positron (maybe tweaking it a bit to add an AV or something) for more 'advanced' players.
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Yes! New players are far too young to be doing missions from thew Freedom Phalanx, anyway 
I quite agree with you Igor. Posi would be completely OK if it was a TF in the late 20s or later.
Also for the first TF, it could be 5 missions and in different zones to give a bit of length. Although I'd want to avoid zones like Perez where you're bound to get lost.
- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
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Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein
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No, it doesn't. What's wrong with it?
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It's over-long, not at all exciting and very hard with a large, inexperienced team - all in all not a very good introduction to TFs for people new to the game.
Red names have admitted it could use a look at (it's actually two TFs they welded together when they found the early game's mission system couldn't support follow-on TFs), but as with many things it's a question of finding the time.
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I spoke to a member of the NC team in Omega from March 08, and they said they devs are planning/working on a revamped posi, whether this is still going ahead or not is another question, but if it is id have a guess at a live update for it around i15 possibly i16 - dont quote me on that though
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I will not wait that long.
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I'm curious as to what you'll do which will actually have an impact, other than registering your displeasure?
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It's a bit hard to understand your message tbh...but "registering your displeasure"? Yes I am. And is there anything wrong with that? I am asking for these systems to be fixed/redesigned, just like any suggestion.
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Well, unfortunatly for you, these things, like everything of good quality, take time...
on the other hand if you decide that the waiting isnt worth while theres several other things you COULD do in the meantime, such as;
-take up a new hobby
-do different TF's/story arcs you havent done before (im sure theres one, there always is)
-possibly if none of the above suit you, you could always just cancel your sub and sulk in a corner until the devs have succumbed to you wants and needs....
have some time to think about it...
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No, it doesn't. What's wrong with it?
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It's over-long, not at all exciting and very hard with a large, inexperienced team - all in all not a very good introduction to TFs for people new to the game.
Red names have admitted it could use a look at (it's actually two TFs they welded together when they found the early game's mission system couldn't support follow-on TFs), but as with many things it's a question of finding the time.
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I spoke to a member of the NC team in Omega from March 08, and they said they devs are planning/working on a revamped posi, whether this is still going ahead or not is another question, but if it is id have a guess at a live update for it around i15 possibly i16 - dont quote me on that though
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I will not wait that long.
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I'm curious as to what you'll do which will actually have an impact, other than registering your displeasure?
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It's a bit hard to understand your message tbh...but "registering your displeasure"? Yes I am. And is there anything wrong with that? I am asking for these systems to be fixed/redesigned, just like any suggestion.
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Well, unfortunatly for you, these things, like everything of good quality, take time...
on the other hand if you decide that the waiting isnt worth while theres several other things you COULD do in the meantime, such as;
-take up a new hobby
-do different TF's/story arcs you havent done before (im sure theres one, there always is)
-possibly if none of the above suit you, you could always just cancel your sub and sulk in a corner until the devs have succumbed to you wants and needs....
have some time to think about it...
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You misunderstand my post. I am not the tone of "OMG Posi sucks, devs need to fix this NOW or I cancel my sub" it's more "This issue has been around a long time, it needs to get fixed soon, for the good of the game."
Maybe you should take some time to think as well.
Also, don't thread bump!
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I spoke to a member of the NC team in Omega from March 08, and they said they devs are planning/working on a revamped posi, whether this is still going ahead or not is another question, but if it is id have a guess at a live update for it around i15 possibly i16 - dont quote me on that though
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I will not wait that long.
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I'm curious as to what you'll do which will actually have an impact, other than registering your displeasure?
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It's a bit hard to understand your message tbh...but "registering your displeasure"? Yes I am. And is there anything wrong with that? I am asking for these systems to be fixed/redesigned, just like any suggestion.
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Well, unfortunatly for you, these things, like everything of good quality, take time...
on the other hand if you decide that the waiting isnt worth while theres several other things you COULD do in the meantime, such as;
-take up a new hobby
-do different TF's/story arcs you havent done before (im sure theres one, there always is)
-possibly if none of the above suit you, you could always just cancel your sub and sulk in a corner until the devs have succumbed to you wants and needs....
have some time to think about it...
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You misunderstand my post. I am not the tone of "OMG Posi sucks, devs need to fix this NOW or I cancel my sub" it's more "This issue has been around a long time, it needs to get fixed soon, for the good of the game."
Maybe you should take some time to think as well.
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Then you said have said what you meant in more detail - your original 6 word post (bolded above) didn't make it at all clear, however much thought is given.
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Also, don't thread bump!
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When you get yourself a Red Name, you can give orders like that and have them actually count...
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I spoke to a member of the NC team in Omega from March 08, and they said they devs are planning/working on a revamped posi, whether this is still going ahead or not is another question, but if it is id have a guess at a live update for it around i15 possibly i16 - dont quote me on that though
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I will not wait that long.
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I'm curious as to what you'll do which will actually have an impact, other than registering your displeasure?
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It's a bit hard to understand your message tbh...but "registering your displeasure"? Yes I am. And is there anything wrong with that? I am asking for these systems to be fixed/redesigned, just like any suggestion.
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Well, unfortunatly for you, these things, like everything of good quality, take time...
on the other hand if you decide that the waiting isnt worth while theres several other things you COULD do in the meantime, such as;
-take up a new hobby
-do different TF's/story arcs you havent done before (im sure theres one, there always is)
-possibly if none of the above suit you, you could always just cancel your sub and sulk in a corner until the devs have succumbed to you wants and needs....
have some time to think about it...
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You misunderstand my post. I am not the tone of "OMG Posi sucks, devs need to fix this NOW or I cancel my sub" it's more "This issue has been around a long time, it needs to get fixed soon, for the good of the game."
Maybe you should take some time to think as well.
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Then you said have said what you meant in more detail - your original 6 word post (bolded above) didn't make it at all clear, however much thought is given.
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Also, don't thread bump!
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When you get yourself a Red Name, you can give orders like that and have them actually count...
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1. I am sorry I did not explain it in further detail and it was misunderstood.
2. Once NC see how awesome I am, I'll be a redname in 2 secs. Bet my life savings it'll be 2 seconds.
+ 1 to review Posi
Did it yesterday with a PUG of 5 which turned out to be quite good (experienced players, balanced team, had stealth + TPer) but the only challenge was staying awake through the whole thing (took just over 3 hrs). And as others have said, they should really rethink the mobs there: everyone but me was exemping (and we had an empath) so we had a chance of hitting things, but I wouldn't want to do this on a level 12 team (or a really unbalanced one)
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Posi is long and not very exciting but at least you get a good reward for it.
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