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Both CO and DCU are console fight games, that just happen to be multi-player.
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And this game is what exactly? A non console fight game that happens to be multi player. So what was the point of that statement?
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If NC announced they are preparing a dynamic end game, it doesnt have to say tell us what the end game will be but it will create a positive air of positive anticipation, which is exactly what our soon to be competitors are gaining more and more of.
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No, it would create an air of expectation and over-inflated hype. This playerbase has repeatedly proven itself as capable of waxing lyrical about how AWESOME AND AMAZING a single sentence by Positron sounds...before bursting into flames and screaming betrayal when it didn't live up their imagination.
If you've been around as long as you keep reminding us, you'd know that.
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Like say, oh I don't know, announcing player-created content? If Nor Cal were to announce anything else major right now it would be hilariously misplaced. You don't make massive, overwhelming announcements when another company is reeling off the basics of their own product.
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right for a start some sort of announce ment is good even if it is rather cryptic (cuse pun)
an update like we had for the 4th anniversiarrie would be good. and it'll give us food for thought for the next mnths or so... we just need smt atm we get nothing and tbh that is quite dissappointing and make NCNC look arrogant, whihc tbh atm they can be as they have a stable 4yr old game that is a success, but when CO and DCUO get properly released CoX will start to have a fight on their hands and will be directly competeing for revenue between them... atm CoX is fighting no-one. when smeone else comes into ur market place the next 3-6mnths are the most important phase and the next 12mnths in CoX is the most important since launch.... Granted were gonna have to wait for a new and intutive idea, but some indication of a clue wuld be nice
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i think praf meant to say multi platform game CoX is only a single platform game
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If you announced the Issue 13 announcement and Positron's letter, then I'm not sure you really can claim Nor Cal aren't doing anything to keep us informed.
As I said, if Nor Cal release their major info six months in advance of any competition...they've just blown their big weapons on something pretty runty. What do they do when the hype from that has faded? They have to get something more scribbled together to hit CO and DC head-on.
That won't work.
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Console games and PC games still target different demographics. I am geniunely surprised an experienced PR hand like yourself did not see that.
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No, it would create an air of expectation and over-inflated hype. This playerbase has repeatedly proven itself as capable of waxing lyrical about how AWESOME AND AMAZING a single sentence by Positron sounds...before bursting into flames and screaming betrayal when it didn't live up their imagination.
If you've been around as long as you keep reminding us, you'd know that.
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Firstly i hardly ever, unless pushed, mention I have been around since usa launch.
Secondly, the reason for the anti climatic feeling they have left with us is because the delivery has, till now on a too frequent basis, been fantastically anti climatic.
It doesnt have to be that way.
Besides, I'm not talking about them necessarily preaching on these boards but in the MMO media in general, to [censored] the ears of people who have never played this game before.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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i13 sucks its not gonna be that great and it is tbh a major flop by what weve been given thus far
oohhhh shields tbh big whoop
oooooohhhhh mish creator granted a good idea but its been done before, but i am fairly looking forward to this
oooohhh jobs well this was announced after CO announced it was ding ssmt similar (basically this is again nothing new)
where are the "NEW" ideas and where are we heading hopefully not into another semi interesting issue like i11 and i12 were. The newest big thing to hit CoX was i9 and the inventions and i10 and the invasions imho
thats nearly a year ago yes weve had stuff added but nothing thats makes me stand up and wanna scream out in joy or even says oooohhh this looks/sounds awesome
neway im gonna let this go for a bit and get back to the gf
but no doubt unless this topic gets closed i'll have more to say later
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Because we blow it out of proportion. Thank you for backing up my point. Positron says something's coming - we interpret this as Jesus' second ressurection, yet are dissapointed when all we get is the Garden of Eden.
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My point is that anything, anything, the devs say or do will get picked up on. This kind of thing is magnified to a horrible degree when even the slightest hint of confirmation is tossed in as well. It's most frequent on the US side, so I'm surprised you haven't noticed.
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And tha's what they're doing. Anything they announce to outsiders will be new, so they're keeping the biggest stuff for when we are ready for it.
Some of the people in this thread are so damn negative about the future I wonder why they haven't packed their bags prior to jumping ship.
Neither of the two prospective competitors are this game. I don't want to play DCU because I have no interest in DC, I don't want to play CO because having looked at it it doesn't appear to be something I will enjoy, any more than I want to play WAR or AoC.
If i13 is really pants I might stop playing for a bit, just as I did after i9, but I'm not going to decry NCNCs effort as a waste of time, and certainly not now long before the actual final release of i13. This game already has a lot going for it, an established IP (just like the competition) a player base and developers that do it seems listen somewhat to what the players want (see QoL patches), CO for sure doesn't have that. (Unless Emert has been sacked... 
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Yet the vast majority of people have been going nuts for it. You don't like the news? Big whoop. The subscription numbers are on the rise again - evidently they're doing something right for the numbers who matter.
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where are the "NEW" ideas and where are we heading hopefully not into another semi interesting issue like i11 and i12 were. The newest big thing to hit CoX was i9 and the inventions and i10 and the invasions imho
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Everything in the announcement is new. It isn't new to MMOs, but if you're expecting Nor Cal to reinvent the wheel then you're a really bad case of the over-expectant playerbase I mentioned earlier.
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i13 sucks its not gonna be that great and it is tbh a major flop by what weve been given thus far
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I'm not certain if that's sarcasm or not...? 
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Console games and PC games still target different demographics. I am geniunely surprised an experienced PR hand like yourself did not see that.
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Feel relieved then and go in peace for the lord has spoken and his word is that these games are PC AND console. And the world felt his glory and rejoiced.
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i13 sucks its not gonna be that great and it is tbh a major flop by what weve been given thus far
oohhhh shields tbh big whoop
oooooohhhhh mish creator granted a good idea but its been done before, but i am fairly looking forward to this
oooohhh jobs well this was announced after CO announced it was ding ssmt similar (basically this is again nothing new)
where are the "NEW" ideas and where are we heading hopefully not into another semi interesting issue like i11 and i12 were. The newest big thing to hit CoX was i9 and the inventions and i10 and the invasions imho
thats nearly a year ago yes weve had stuff added but nothing thats makes me stand up and wanna scream out in joy or even says oooohhh this looks/sounds awesome
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So in your book a mission creator in an MMO is something that has been done before (which it probably has, but not by any of the big boys as far as I know), whereas inventions, which are essentially crafting of the kind available in MMOs since about the begining of MMOs, were new and exciting?
Are you sure you're not reading this book backwards?
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okies back for now ... subs will raise and fall, but when 2 new games get released subs will dwinnle slowly due to the wow factor of the "new" games.
i am negative about CoX becoz tbh there hasnt been nethign to shout home about for some time and i know im not the only one to feel this
another reason why i can be negative apparently is becoz i want the devs to prove me worrng and bring in something new and inativive.
there is nothign wrong with ceptisim and its my right and everyones right to say it if they do choose so.
I want the devs to calm the ceptics fears down and this means they have to say smt otherwise the ceptics will grow over time and by that time it could be too late.
there is two sides to every fair coin. If they say smt major they may keept the ceptics quiet but give CO and DCUO some info into what there doing
but the other side is saying nothing or saying smt but very infrequently (which they are atm) this make them look like when they do announce smt theve lost ground on the new games whihc are improving with every letter we type.
One of my friends said to me yesturday
Everything has its time. and in the next few yrs I think CoXs time is up
That is not me saying it thats a vet of about 3yrs who has marketing experience
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i13 sucks its not gonna be that great and it is tbh a major flop by what weve been given thus far
oohhhh shields tbh big whoop
oooooohhhhh mish creator granted a good idea but its been done before, but i am fairly looking forward to this
oooohhh jobs well this was announced after CO announced it was ding ssmt similar (basically this is again nothing new)
where are the "NEW" ideas and where are we heading hopefully not into another semi interesting issue like i11 and i12 were. The newest big thing to hit CoX was i9 and the inventions and i10 and the invasions imho
thats nearly a year ago yes weve had stuff added but nothing thats makes me stand up and wanna scream out in joy or even says oooohhh this looks/sounds awesome
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Are you sure you're not reading this book backwards?
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It was a major improvement to this game. mish creator is a take it or leave it feature and are all the powersets dependant on whihc u wanan play
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okies back for now ... subs will raise and fall, but when 2 new games get released subs will dwinnle slowly due to the wow factor of the "new" games.
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Yes. The wow factor. Something that's temporary, and why announcements made now would be rather impotent for Nor Cal in the long run. Hype fades pretty quickly and Nor Cal would have nothing to counter CO and DC's own.
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i am negative about CoX becoz tbh there hasnt been nethign to shout home about for some time and i know im not the only one to feel this
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Um, yay? Age of Conan blew all its major announcements early on. Look where that is - far less subscribers than pretty much every other MMO, most of which are getting to the four/five year old mark by now. You're calling doom because you don't like what's being offered.
The numbers and general community contradict that.
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Carlsberg don't do Farming,
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Fixed - for CoH-lovin' truth 
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i think praf meant to say multi platform game CoX is only a single platform game
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Actually, I was refering to the game play style. "Button Masher" was how CO was described by a hands on reviewer. "fast and furious" wat how Cryptic described it. Now, there is nothing wrong with that sort of game, but it is unlikely to appeal to the same people who like the PnP inspired, near-turn based gameplay of CoX.
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Top post by the way but best to keep in mind these people dont develop this game as some labour of love, its what they get paid for.
Not everyone feels the need to fall over themselves with gratitude.
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really no need for that tone is there Donna? Saphi's opinion is just that - an opinion. no more, or less, valid than yours
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Actually, the devs do actually play the game too - so they must like it just a little bit
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Keep in mind that someone with the qualifications to be a game developer could easily get a much better paid job.
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Like say, oh I don't know, announcing player-created content? If Nor Cal were to announce anything else major right now it would be hilariously misplaced. You don't make massive, overwhelming announcements when another company is reeling off the basics of their own product.
Sure, prematurely announcing salt and vinegar crisps cure cancer would be awesome - and would utterly trounce the cheese and onion's claim of HAVING FLAVA - but if you weren't struggling to compete in the first place it'd be a fairly pointless gesture.