Trial restrictions- I'm not so sure..
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Carnifax,
Posted on: 2008-08-13 11:18 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Heres the rub, theres less people moaning in this thread than in all the "i keep getting e mails selling inf" and "im sick of unwanted tells" threads.
I guess we got what we asked for.
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I'm not convinced this has anything to do with griefers actually. I think its more likely its part of a give em less theyll want more practice that I now flatly disagree with.
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Give it more time.
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More time????? They've had 5 blood years. How haerd is it to figure this kind of thing out and get it right?
Right now its wrong. The work of idiots quite frankly and I thought we'de seen the back of them when Cryptic sailed away.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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Give it more time.
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More time????? They've had 5 blood years. How haerd is it to figure this kind of thing out and get it right?
Right now its wrong. The work of idiots quite frankly and I thought we'de seen the back of them when Cryptic sailed away.
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lol no.
to Londoner's comment:
>>theres less people moaning in this thread than in all the "i keep getting e mails selling inf" and "im sick of unwanted tells" threads.<<
My reply:
I say give it more time. Eventually there will be more "NOWAI!!1 I can't team with people via tells" type of threads, from potential new players.
Furthermore, Lionsbane, calm down.
quick question here about trial accounts and their restrictions:
can I SK a trialist and take them to Cimerora or RWZ? (I'll admit I don't even know if it's possible to do this with a non-trial SK) or are they only able to go to the already open areas?
@craggy see me on Union for TFs, SFs (please!) or just some good ol fashioned teaming.
They'd not be able to enter Cimerora, RWZ or any zone with a level restriction above 14.
Zone restrictions are based on security/threat level, not combat level. So no, you can't SK/LK a character to take them to a level restricted zone, trial account or not.
thanks for reply.
no thanks (to NC) for this horrible message board system that's made me try 3 or 4 times now to post
edit:now that it's finally posted: thanks for the quickness of reply folks, guess I'll be exemping down at the weekend.
@craggy see me on Union for TFs, SFs (please!) or just some good ol fashioned teaming.
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More time????? They've had 5 blood years. How haerd is it to figure this kind of thing out and get it right?
Right now its wrong. The work of idiots quite frankly and I thought we'de seen the back of them when Cryptic sailed away.
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Just a gentle warning that you're treading a very fine line here: personal attacks / flames are not allowed, and that includes generic attacks against the staff. Your constructive criticism is welcome; this sort of posting is not constructive.
I for one am kinda happy i'm not recieving the spam emails and spam tells.
But i also think the restrictions might be putting off new players. As i've tried get a friend to play and he didn't wanna go past the 10 days as he felt he didn't get to experience enough to make him hooked.
I do think they went too far with all the restrictions.
All they should really have done (IMO), is apply the level limit (14 IS quite reasonable really), and locked them out of email and broadcast. The rest should have been kept in the sidelines waiting to be added in case it was needed.
@FloatingFatMan
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Sapphic and FFM have hit the nail on the head there. I've got a whole bunch of my mates trials and only one of them has taken the game up.
It also hasn't stopped the goldfarm ads at all either, instead of having periodic broadcasting or the odd email we now get Local spammed as some char with name like "skdhfj" comes and spams the BM/WW as they now know thats where the majority of people would take it up.
Seriously how do you expect trial users to get a feel for the game if they can't even reply to a player asking to team with them???
And heres a fact for you, of the people I've shown and hollered about trials - only 1 took it up. Guess why. Because he rolled a brute on my account before he got his trial and was able to experience content. No sooner had he crawled on mercy he got a tell asking to trio the whole Kalinda arc! If this had been on a trial account he'd have totally missed out on the experience that made him want the game in the first place.
It would seem the trial accounts are satisfying the existing playerbase bothered more about a few emails than protecting the EULA or reeling a new wave of actual players.
That's my 8 peneth worth rant of the day.
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More time????? They've had 5 blood years. How haerd is it to figure this kind of thing out and get it right?
Right now its wrong. The work of idiots quite frankly and I thought we'de seen the back of them when Cryptic sailed away.
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Just a gentle warning that you're treading a very fine line here: personal attacks / flames are not allowed, and that includes generic attacks against the staff. Your constructive criticism is welcome; this sort of posting is not constructive.
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It isn't a personal attack per se, certainly not aimed at you and if it read that way I apologise.
There is (or should be) a logic here. This game is team centric. It's a key part of the appeal of the game.
You issue trials, hopeing to get new customers. And yet you do everything to prevent them from getting into teams. Or SGs.
By definition, someone new playing the game wont even know anything about teaming, how it adds to the game.
Apart from local chat, they may not realise they can pm, team speak etc etc.
So you wont even be enticing them to play the game to get those things cause in all likely hood they wont know they exist!
My son sure as heck didnt. I cannot understand why the game constantly puts up these barriers to getting peoplle to really want in on this game.
Cryptic were masters of mediocrity and not applying science to actually what gets people to play and stay playing this game. I thought and still hope that NC are different, more forward thinking.
But these restrictions on the trial are a poor showing.
While I understand the thinking behind a limited trial, the actual detail and application sucks and was badly thought out.
So in this instance NC arent showing me the innovation and forward thinking I want to see to encourage me that at last we're with the main team.
And then, on top of that, you cut them off at level 14 after doing everything to ensure that we fly the toons through the levels.
How does any of this encourage people to play the game?
Where is the logic?
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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The point of my post is that you can express your disagreement with the current limitations, and any suggestions for changes/improvements, far more effectively without ranting about it or labelling the current situation as "the work of idiots" ... if you want to get your message heard, by far the best way is to post calmly and constructively.
Is the current system perfect? Probably not: it's rare that anything is perfect when first implemented. Is it overkill? Maybe. Will changes and adjustments be considered? Certainly, and they're far more likely to be implemented when they're put forward sensibly.
All MMO's with trials have restrictions on them, Lions. It's called giving the player a taster of what's in the game.
NC's only mistake (IMO) was in restricting the chat, teaming and SG capabilities a little over zealously. Having limits on level and inf storage are very sensible, and something all MMO's with trial, that I know about, implement. If the taster is enough to get you to pay, ALL of those limits are lifted. It's just unfortunate that your son's account was hit with a bug that left the limits in place. THAT is something that definitely needs to be addressed.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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From issue 12 pacth notes
Trial Accounts now have the following restrictions. Characters on Trial Accounts may not:
Hold more than 50,000 Influence/Infamy
Join a Supergroup
Use any chat other than /local, /team, or /friend.
Invite characters into a Team (although Trial Account characters can join a team)
Use In-Game Mail
Level up past level 14
Enter any PVP Zone
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Hold more than 50,000 Influence/Infamy. This was done i guess mainly to stop the RMT use this a Money Laundry person and maybe to stop peple to transfer money from one toon to another
Join a Supergroup. To stop people joining a Supergroup and stealing all there stuff to either boost there SG or sell on the market.
Use any chat other than /local, /team, or /friend. to stop RMT to sell there stuff. BUT i have stated in other post there either should be a warning to tell sender that this person is on a trial account or have the power to at least reply to them, but they can get around it i think if they add them to friend to talk to them
Invite characters into a Team (although Trial Account characters can join a team). This one i don't have a clue why but maybe to slow down there leveling to 14
Use In-Game Mail. Mainly becuase everyone did not like get MRT mails
Level up past level 14. This is been put into place for all Recipe TF/SF start at level 15 as far as i know, so it to stop the Sell of TF recipes
Enter any PVP Zone. due to above they can't join in pvp
Well this is my opion why it was done, it maybe too much but hopeful you see why they might of done this. Either way this is a Lose/Lose for NCsoft. personel i can't think of a better way to do this, i think they did great as best tehy could. I would though they did put alot of though in this before they did it as it is real pain for new players
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Invite characters into a Team (although Trial Account characters can join a team). This one i don't have a clue why but maybe to slow down there leveling to 14
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Thats actually to stop them from inviting people to team then spam their advertisement in the team.
I think it's a little unecessary, you can just click no on team invite.
Nice to see a red name posting on here its a shame its only to reprimand the OP for posting his views, oh and then doing it again too. If i hadnt spotted this thread this is a subject i was definatly going to start a thread about yesterday. Just because lion chose the wrong words to vent his frustration surely should not detract from the point he was trying to make which seems to be echoed by various other posters in this thread for 1 reason or another. Put quiet simply you cannot give people a taster of this game with all the restrictions that are now set in place for trial users, and in my opinion that is affecting both the trial user and the subscribed user alike in various and different ways. We all want the community to grow or at worst stay at the current level so its something we should all be working towards surely
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Hold more than 50,000 Influence/Infamy. This was done i guess mainly to stop the RMT use this a Money Laundry person and maybe to stop peple to transfer money from one toon to another
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No prob with this. Sensible move.
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Join a Supergroup. To stop people joining a Supergroup and stealing all there stuff to either boost there SG or sell on the market.
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Prevent them from entering the base. Or have the game treat them as it wouf you entered a coalition base. Problem solved.
Sorry. Totally unimpressed.
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Use any chat other than /local, /team, or /friend. to stop RMT to sell there stuff. BUT i have stated in other post there either should be a warning to tell sender that this person is on a trial account or have the power to at least reply to them, but they can get around it i think if they add them to friend to talk to them
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They should be able to reply to tells at the absolute minimum. This is the work of people below required standard. (hope that was more polite.)
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Invite characters into a Team (although Trial Account characters can join a team). This one i don't have a clue why but maybe to slow down there leveling to 14
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I dont see why there is a level 14 restriction. Frightened they may hit 50 too early? What other reason can there be?
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Use In-Game Mail. Mainly becuase everyone did not like get MRT mails
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No problem with this.
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Level up past level 14. This is been put into place for all Recipe TF/SF start at level 15 as far as i know, so it to stop the Sell of TF recipes
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Oh, tell em to get a life for heavens sake. Who cares if a trialist gets a level 14 IO and sells it?
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Enter any PVP Zone. due to above they can't join in pvp
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Then why oh why the restriction? I mean LOL.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
Arc 56763 Lord Anarchys heaven
2 mission arc. Bring friends cause Lord Anarchy means business...
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Just because lion chose the wrong words to vent his frustration surely should not detract from the point he was trying to make which seems to be echoed by various other posters in this thread for 1 reason or another.
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Actually i disagree there. If you cannot work your complaint in a sensible post without calling people idiots and such, don't post at all. Ghostraptor actually did comment on the issue if you bothered to read his entire post and not just first sentence. And he's much nicer than i would've been, i'd delete the post and suspend the offender in a heartbeat. But then i might be a little more jaded from moderating a forum devoted to more... *hrm* naughtier content.
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All MMO's with trials have restrictions on them, Lions. It's called giving the player a taster of what's in the game.
NC's only mistake (IMO) was in restricting the chat, teaming and SG capabilities a little over zealously. Having limits on level and inf storage are very sensible, and something all MMO's with trial, that I know about, implement. If the taster is enough to get you to pay, ALL of those limits are lifted. It's just unfortunate that your son's account was hit with a bug that left the limits in place. THAT is something that definitely needs to be addressed.
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It's the effect of the limits that ive highlighted that are the problem FFM.
I'm telling you, my son, who is pretty bright, a gamer would have quit if i hadnt cajolled him along.
I'm trying to point out theres a wider picture here.
The game needs these trialists to lock on to the game.
It's essential. And, while i accept some people will upgrade from the trial and some wont, some of these restrictions, as is, are harmful to that possibility. And with whats coming up soon, thats a serious mistake.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
Arc 56763 Lord Anarchys heaven
2 mission arc. Bring friends cause Lord Anarchy means business...
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Just because lion chose the wrong words to vent his frustration surely should not detract from the point he was trying to make which seems to be echoed by various other posters in this thread for 1 reason or another.
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Actually i disagree there. If you cannot work your complaint in a sensible post without calling people idiots and such, don't post at all. Ghostraptor actually did comment on the issue if you bothered to read his entire post and not just first sentence. And he's much nicer than i would've been, i'd delete the post and suspend the offender in a heartbeat. But then i might be a little more jaded from moderating a forum devoted to more... *hrm* naughtier content.
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If I say that the people who thought of the specific limitations of the trial are unfit for purpose, have cost this game thousands of ongoing pounds of revenue and should never be near a gaming enviroment again because they clearly don't get it, but I mean that in a nice way, would that be better?
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
Arc 56763 Lord Anarchys heaven
2 mission arc. Bring friends cause Lord Anarchy means business...
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I dont see why there is a level 14 restriction. Frightened they may hit 50 too early? What other reason can there be?
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Because farming PLed Trial accounts were the chief source of the Inf that the professionals were selling.
Also, they're Trial accounts. You're not supposed to have access to all the tricks of a full game in a demo. I can't think of a single game that gives you full access to the entire game in its demo.
Personally I think the restrictions on Tells for trialists was a step too far, it restricts their abilties to team waaay too much. Other than that I've no real problem with the changes
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They should be able to reply to tells at the absolute minimum. This is the work of people below required standard. (hope that was more polite.)
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Softening the words used doesn't make it any less of an insult.
Better, and likely FAR more accurate, to say that this was the work of a programmer who was merely following his instructions to implement a feature decided on by his manager or higher. For all you know, the developer in question might have disagreed with it. Hell, my devs disagree with my design choices from time to time. They STILL implement them though, because I'm their manager and get to tell them what to write.
It's NOT a case of sloppy programming in the slightest; and portraying it as such, no matter HOW flowery the words chosen, is STILL an insult to the person who did it. It's a design choice that you disagree with, pure and simple.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Join a Supergroup. To stop people joining a Supergroup and stealing all there stuff to either boost there SG or sell on the market.
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Prevent them from entering the base. Or have the game treat them as it wouf you entered a coalition base. Problem solved.
Sorry. Totally unimpressed.
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ok just a little more though on this, it might be to Stop RMT to use coaltion chat to spread the word as well as the base thief. This could also been put into play to help the new to base building and SG setting
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Level up past level 14. This is been put into place for all Recipe TF/SF start at level 15 as far as i know, so it to stop the Sell of TF recipes
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Oh, tell em to get a life for heavens sake. Who cares if a trialist gets a level 14 IO and sells it?
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Maybe the set that recipes below too do pay alot of money i sold 1 for 15M inf on the black market after doing a Binder of the beast. but i don't really know i still like use SO
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Enter any PVP Zone. due to above they can't join in pvp
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Then why oh why the restriction? I mean LOL.
[/ QUOTE ]well this got restricted as i stated as TF/SF recipe give start at lvl 15 and at the same time i think you go into pvp Zone at lvl 15.
i know you angry i just try to help you see why they could of done this. i might be wrong as i wasn't there when they made these plans. i just sick of reading post that we are treated bad. i really think we are spoiled beyond belief if people really look at it
These are just my opions
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If they let trialists joing supergroups then theres going to be the call to let them also have full access to thesupegroups content. For the newer, less experienced sg leaders this could be VERY BAD.
A griefer could simply get a trial and go in and boom boom boom, base/enhancements/salvage gone just like that. Then the players of that supergroup will get angry/upset because there is nothing that can be done about it since it is JUST a trial account
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Ok, but can't SGs restrict access to these things on a membership level basis? I don't run an SG, but if I did, I'd make it so that the lowest level member wouldn't have access to as many of the facilities I could restrict, as far as taking salvage/etc. Give them a week's trial or something, then promote. Being in a pretty well stocked SG at the moment I know how good it is and wouldn't have minded waiting a while to access the extra resources.
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To answer your direct point, sadly SGs have been, to the detriment of the entire game, ignored for years now.The facility to do this is tied up with uses for the limited number of promotions we can give.
But, the trialist can join an Sg and not have the facilitity to enter a base. That would work as they would gain a flavour of what an Sg and teaming is about, but be unable to gain the benefitsa of the bases, meaning either they cant steal or else have a reason to upgrade the account. Sorting out the problems isnt hard which is why it aggravates me that they are problems in the first place.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
Arc 56763 Lord Anarchys heaven
2 mission arc. Bring friends cause Lord Anarchy means business...