Really level 40? Can I ask why?
Also does it have to be the same team throughout or are u allowed subs?
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Really level 40? Can I ask why?
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Yeah this, please don't get me wrong im not criticising your efforts but I'm just intruiged to why it's based at lvl 40.
Also just out of interest, why arent any of the epic ATs allowed?
Tg really wanted to use Noobocop....
Maybe its because if u included Epic ATs it wouldnt be Pentad. Tis a shame tho
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X4 Matches are currently planned to be held at level 40 Cruiserweight, with each match lasting 20 minutes.
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So first limit the event to level 40 for some weird reason and then move the event on test so less people sign up for it and the ones that sign up start duping level 40's?
And 20minutes?Turn the event into a "which team burns the other team breakfrees faster"?
Considering that VEATS are not allowed in game and epic shields as well basically favor from start teams with psi blasters?
The parity between the hero and villan epic AT's was decided to be to heavily stacked in the favor of one side (villans being somewhat more useful in pvp) plus having one would mean one of the core 5 wouldnt be allowed in. Meaning for example if a team were concerned about having a certain number of squishys in a team they could instead bring along a squid and have em sit in dwarf form.
As for the fight level thing
"X4 Matches are currently planned to be held at level 40"
It was felt that although the gap is shrinking the difference in usefulness of the ancilary and patron power pools is still to great. But please note the bolded word this may be open to change depending on feed back.
On a third note, since I myself am not entering I will instead be covering the event in a similar style to the way I covered S4 on union that some of you may remember.
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Considering that VEATS are not allowed in game and epic shields as well basically favor from start teams with psi blasters?
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The note about shields is not a hugely biased one since for example this is how it only effects controllers and defenders on hero side. Defenders who get no fire or ice resistance in epic pools does this give fire and ice blasters and unfair edge? Controllers can get psi def/res but at the cost of fire or ice.
But again see my above post
Ok i see about VEATS.
However about level 40.I understand the point is to lock out IO's or so or try to even APP/PPP but the issue is huge with resistances.Since the event is on test EVERYONE can make the builds they want so kinda defeats the purpose of having it at 40.APP/PPP wise.The resistance issue is huge imho and should be reconsidered.
At lvl 40 it doesnt lock out any IOs that im aware of, Purples exempt and all the rest of the IOs are available at 40 or below.
What it does do is remove Epic Pools, which is a bit [censored] tbh, Villain PPPs arent bad in fact some of the powers are v good.
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At lvl 40 it doesnt lock out any IOs that im aware of, Purples exempt and all the rest of the IOs are available at 40 or below.
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The IO's would have to be lvl 43 or below, unless they are purples that work at any lvl... or uniques slotted in a power available at 40.
No it may not lock out any sets, but many people specced for lvl 50 play will need to re-build themselves if they want max bonuses.
As I mentioned the level may be reviewed however one of the reasons it was felt without point fingers at anyone or saying these are invalid tactics, certain 40+ powers are felt to not ruin but remove the fun from PvP, such as blasters/trollers alternating between phase and hibernate on the verge of death, tk even in it current form wastes alot of bf's to be so widely available, focused acc essentially removes one AT from viable play and ruins Debuff's days. These are just examples and are by no means pointing fingers at anyone. team or SG just observations of people that have been PvP'ing (or atleast watching) for a long time.
But once more this is not final and depending on useful feedback may change.
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At lvl 40 it doesnt lock out any IOs that im aware of, Purples exempt and all the rest of the IOs are available at 40 or below.
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The IO's would have to be lvl 43 or below, unless they are purples that work at any lvl... or uniques slotted in a power available at 40.
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Which wouldn't be a problem, i'd just go buy one of every kind at lvl 43, then dupe it 50 times to test for my team.
I say up to 50, all them powers youve mentioned are available on other ATs anyway, youll still get TK Hiber/phaser ( this isnt so prevailant anymore with the timers anyhow) and people hitting thru Debuffs with fortitude aim/bu bu/tactics.
+villains will get nades which is also smexy.
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Considering that VEATS are not allowed in game and epic shields as well basically favor from start teams with psi blasters?
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The note about shields is not a hugely biased one since for example this is how it only effects controllers and defenders on hero side. Defenders who get no fire or ice resistance in epic pools does this give fire and ice blasters and unfair edge? Controllers can get psi def/res but at the cost of fire or ice.
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Fire and Ice team resistance through powers is really easy and available at large through popular pvp sets like corruptor sets,sonic sets etc.
Psi team res comes from VEATS and Dark defenders.
I am cool with it considering we got psi blasters by the ton in SG but 20min fights against something you can have no resistance against doesnt represent current PvP.
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The IO's would have to be lvl 43 or below, unless they are purples that work at any lvl... or uniques slotted in a power available at 40.
No it may not lock out any sets, but many people specced for lvl 50 play will need to re-build themselves if they want max bonuses
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Now this is weird because all this means that instead of dupping level 50's lets start duping 43's.
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one of the reasons it was felt without point fingers at anyone or saying these are invalid tactics, certain 40+ powers are felt to not ruin but remove the fun from PvP
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For example you want dominators to be able to TK and mind controllers but not defenders because a TKing defender is obviously different.
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blasters/trollers alternating between phase and hibernate
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Considering there was a nerf recently to dual phase i dont see how this is true.Everyone will have 1 phase power so whats the difference here.
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focused acc essentially removes one AT from viable play and ruins Debuff's days
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And fortitude and forge dont ruin it?Tactics?
20min matches under permadomination with TK which takes the fun out of PvP with no IW is real fun?
Lvl 40 now that is a real shame was looking forward to taking part in this event but with this lvl limit i wont be bothering.
The main emphasis really on level 40 PvP is the lack of epic shields, saying about Foc Acc and TK from Defenders making PvP not fun is just lol tbh, it's fine from perma domi's and Controllers but not Defenders? That's ATism at it's finest. TK is easy countered anyway. But if I was being honest, the idea of it being level 40, favours us quite well. Moar squishy targets fo spag plx! 
OMGAWD ATism!!!
Tbh im also considering pulling my team from this if the lvl cap stays, weve spent the last few weeks (since you mentioned this was happening) lvling up and IOing toons for what seems like a waste of time now.
If rest of my team agree with me that is.
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Isnt having it @lvl 40 Devolution, not evolution?
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Really level 40? Can I ask why?
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Yeah this, please don't get me wrong im not criticising your efforts but I'm just intruiged to why it's based at lvl 40.
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cmon, everyone knows why its based around 40, hero epics >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> patron power poops its not even debateable
Castles stated they (PPP) dont perform and are homogeneous to the point of choice being almost irrelevant
I dont have time to reply to every post but all the things I've mentioned are parts of the reasono 40 was chosen and not the only reasons so counter them if you wish but please try and do them sensibly so your arguements are not drowned out by lolspeak quote pyramids and general inane banter.
But be aware all of the things mentioned were considered.
The one point I will counter is that of Atism the difference between dom/cont TK and defender TK is that every defender has access to TK through the Psi pool whilst only mind doms/cont's (I'm aware this is a significant number of the PvP'ing population of these AT's) gain access to TK.
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Isnt having it @lvl 40 Devolution, not evolution?
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Yeah.Last S4 was at 50.This one at 40.Next one will be at level 10, Z4: iBrawl.
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I dont have time to reply to every post but all the things I've mentioned are parts of the reasono 40 was chosen and not the only reasons so counter them if you wish but please try and do them sensibly so your arguements are not drowned
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We would like to know all the reasons then because the ones provided dont stand much.
Double Phase doesnt exist in game anymore,TK is widely available and popular to stand as a reason for bringin the event to level 40.
Equating resistances of fire and ice with psi still doesnt stand since there is no team buff for psi res that can stand in this tournament as a viable option.
The APP/PPP story still doesnt stand considering this is a mixed tournament and villain only players still cry the same story "HEROES OMG OP".
Power build up has been nerfed to stand as game breaking balance between heroes and villains.
So what exactly are valid reasons for this.We would like to hear from GR or KS because this
a)doesnt represent game at its current state
b)Seems weird that people that observe PvP decided that TK and focused accuracy are gamebreaking while equal tournament in US dont have restrictions like this.
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If the plan is to have a tournament with power restrictions (which btw go against the whole "Proper power use in PVP")that dont promote competition but predetermine results to the advantage of some specific setups we will join the ranks as well of the teams and PvPers that will not participate to this unless given some REALLY valid reasons.
Cause so far i not see any to be honest.
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The one point I will counter is that of Atism the difference between dom/cont TK and defender TK is that every defender has access to TK through the Psi pool whilst only mind doms/cont's (I'm aware this is a significant number of the PvP'ing population of these AT's) gain access to TK.
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I will put this as simple as possible.The logic "some powers are not fun" is simply 
You cannot lock out powers because they are simply not fun.
Vindicate withholds participation unless this is sorted out as well.
On behalf of Knight Stalker, who is the main organiser for X4: The Evolution, here is the announcement thread:
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X4: The Evolution
Miss S4? You won't soon! This announcement is a preliminary announcement, with final details on event structure to be announced before registration closes.
Yes, after many different ideas popping into Knight Stalker's head, he's finally decided that the idea he likes most is another pentad event. Having really enjoyed S4, he would like to see another and hopes that others would get the same enjoyment he found from participating in it.
With X4 things will vary a little from the original S4. There will be one event, to be held on the test server. This will allow all teams from all servers to take part in the same competition. The full event structure is yet to be announced, as it will be dependant on how many teams enter. We are currently open to any of the following standard tournament formats: single elimination; double elimination, swiss or round-robin. The format chosen will aim to get the event run with as little fuss as possible while giving every team the opportunity to get the most out of the event.
Registration starts today and all entries must be in by 11:59pm on 24 August 2008. The event will start a week later at 7pm on 31 August 2008. The event will be run weekly, depending on the number of team entries and event structure, and be completed in the shortest time we can arrange. Be assured it will not be left to linger and you will be updated as often as possible. Match dates may be negotiable, after the first night only and depending on Judge availability, with the agreement of the judges, the organiser, and other teams.
[u]Judges[u]
Judging will be done by the Community team (GhostRaptor, Kerensky and Palladium), giving a truly impartial decision in the case of a dispute. Their decision will be final. This will give Knight Stalker the chance to compete in this event as well as being the organiser.
[u]Teams[u]
Each team will consist of 5 members and all Archetypes except epics are available (see below for further details).
Teams may be all Heroes, all Villains, or a hybrid team drawing from both sides. Hero teams must consist of the five standard Hero AT's, and Villains of the five standard Villain AT's. Hybrid teams may select either a Hero or Villain AT from each of the five rows in the below table:
<font class="small">Code:[/color]<hr /><pre>Heroes <-> Villains
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Tanker <-> Mastermind
Scrapper <-> Brute
Blaster <-> Stalker
Defender <-> Corrupter
Controller <-> Dominator</pre><hr />
For example, you could have the following team: Tanker, Brute, Stalker, Defender, Controller.
To register your team, please see this thread.
[u]The Matches[u]
X4 Matches are currently planned to be held at level 40 Cruiserweight, with each match lasting 20 minutes.
The Event will be held on the Test Server and is open to teams from all Servers.
[u]The Rules[u]
In the event of any disputes that arise, that may be rule related or game related, the Judges decision is final. Full rules for X4, including tournament format, will be announced before registration closes.
[u]Prizes[u]
To be announced, and will be dependent on the number of teams who enter (more teams = better prizes
[u]New to PvP?[u]
Knight Stalker and others would welcome all and any new players to this event, and if you require any advice or guidance please feel free to PM him. This event will be maturely organised by Knight Stalker and Cherry Fusion, with support from the Community team. There will not be any put downs or I pwn u talk. It is hoped that each team leader would be a good sport and help out less experienced teams, and help motivate them to carry on with PvP in a losing situation. After all, we as PvPers only want to help to improve PvP and increase the size of our community.
[u]Need a Team?[u]
If you like the idea of this event but you dont know anyone who plays PvP or you dont know anyone in game to make a team with please PM Knight Stalker with the characters you are willing to play. He will put you in touch with teams looking for additional members.stration closes.