Push the story to the extreme

Sugar_Rush · 07-13-2008 01:12 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

Aerie · 07-13-2008 01:19 PM

I hope you realise destroying the Hamidon destroys the Devouring Earth. I guess a few people here won't be going on any more Hami raids then.

Leif_Roar · 07-13-2008 01:26 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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Nope. Genocide. :-p

cryonic_EU · 07-13-2008 01:31 PM

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I hope you realise destroying the Hamidon destroys the Devouring Earth. I guess a few people here won't be going on any more Hami raids then.

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I didn't think anyone went on Hami raids anyway!

Aerie · 07-13-2008 01:37 PM

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I didn't think anyone went on Hami raids anyway!

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Seemed to be one the other week I observed, must have been a good 30+ heroes there. Although Hami did win quite easily. I was there as part of the 'Devouring Earth deserves life to' brigade but I was ignored.

Lord Mayhem · 07-13-2008 01:56 PM

What is it about Sundays that makes everyone whimsical?

No, I don't think the OP's suggestions are likely, or necessarily a good idea - do you really want to fight more Rikti than we do now? If NCNC were working on a CoH2 and designing it from scratch then we might have something to discuss - that could be set in a post-apocalypse world where the Rikti had taken over - though I still don't particularly like the idea (unless it was done through Ouro as a potential future, or through Portal Corp as an alternate world).

Though I could see a future expansion where we go to the Rikti homeworld - perhaps even in a future issue as just a single zone - but I can't see the Rikti war ending completely (as either their victory or ours) because the Devs would have to rip too much Rikti content out of the existing game.

I would hope all MMO Dev teams would have learnt from SWG's example that making wide sweeping changes to an MMO (whether to the gameplay like SOE did, or to the content itself, like we're discussing) is a very bad idea and likely to push away more of your existing playerbase than it pleases. Sure, progressing the storyline is good - I'm all for that - but that should happen gradually, not all in one fell swoop.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

Omega_Chief · 07-13-2008 01:58 PM

One small problem with yoru idea baout the Rikti.

On the homeworld, the military RIkti are outnumbered somthign like 9-to-1 the odds of them winning a civil war are astronomical.

Uh, thats about it really, honestly the Rikti military is shvivilled and underdeveloped by thier own terms with on the tiniest portion of thier population actually serving.

In fact most of the Rikti military is stranded with us in Paragon city

Sugar_Rush · 07-13-2008 02:13 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

Aerie · 07-13-2008 02:31 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

Myopic Aardvark · 07-13-2008 02:35 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

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You're from Pylea? Or Muppetland?

"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon

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Aerie · 07-13-2008 02:35 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

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You're from Pylea? Or Muppetland?

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Pylea! Do the dance of joy!

Myopic Aardvark · 07-13-2008 02:38 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

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You're from Pylea? Or Muppetland?

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Pylea! Do the dance of joy!

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Do the dance of shame!

"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon

Myopic Aardvark on Twitter

Aerie · 07-13-2008 02:41 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

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You're from Pylea? Or Muppetland?

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Pylea! Do the dance of joy!

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Do the dance of shame!

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hehe

Lord Mayhem · 07-13-2008 02:49 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

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You're from Pylea? Or Muppetland?

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Pylea! Do the dance of joy!

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Do the dance of shame!

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hehe

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Is it time for the karaoke yet then?

BunnyHopPop · 07-13-2008 04:06 PM

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For a future issue do you think it would be a good idea to really turn it on it's heel?

How about either:

1) The Rikti win the war, and in a future issue we the heroes and villains are fighting as an insurgency force trying to reclaim the planet.

2) We win the war and we are now on the Rikti homeworld, all new zones on that world, trying to destroy them completely.

3) Humanity turns on the super beings, heroes and villains are forced to ally in order to survive.

I know it would take a lot of effort and a BIG issue, but I think it would really be fun, and turn the game on it's head.

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Rikti could never win the war, we've already pushed them back (LGTF).

We would never attack the, if you do the story arcs in RWZ, Nemesis actually made the Rikti attack earth.

I doubt Humanity would turn on Super heroes considering we save them all the time.

Mega_Jamie · 07-13-2008 04:09 PM

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

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You're from Pylea? Or Muppetland?

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Pylea! Do the dance of joy!

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Do the dance of shame!

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hehe

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Is it time for the karaoke yet then?

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*roots around for the season 2 disc set to learn the above dances, and prepare a suitable song*

(thank you all for referencing my favourite show)

(yey pyramid)

As so far as the suggestion, they all would require a pretty big change to the playable area we have available to us. Sure, 2 can be new zones, but We wudnt really have the city to jaunt around in with the Rikti in charge, or if people hated us. So not very feasibile.

In regards to the #2, I have dark heroes who would commit genocide to change humanity.
Heroes who most certainly would not
and heroes who have no ethical ability to warrent a decision based on that, and would simply calculate which is the best course of action to perform their overall aim.

Besides, all id have to do would be arrest a few hellions and somebody would call me a hero afterwards. reassuring!

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Aerie · 07-13-2008 04:12 PM

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Besides, all id have to do would be arrest a few hellions and somebody would call me a hero afterwards. reassuring!

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Hero worship is easy to come by in Paragon City

Golden Girl · 07-13-2008 07:28 PM

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I think we defeat the Hamidon, not destroy it

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Aerie · 07-13-2008 08:13 PM

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I think we defeat the Hamidon, not destroy it

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Ahhh yes the same way we 'arrest' people by hitting them with fireballs and sticking a katana in them

Golden Girl · 07-13-2008 08:31 PM

I don't - I punch and kick them - no deaths at all

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khorak_EU · 07-13-2008 08:35 PM

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For a future issue do you think it would be a good idea to really turn it on it's heel?

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Yes. CoX is starting to get a bit 'Warhammer 40,000' in its bleakness.

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1) The Rikti win the war, and in a future issue we the heroes and villains are fighting as an insurgency force trying to reclaim the planet.

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It's City of Heroes, not Hellgate: London.

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2) We win the war and we are now on the Rikti homeworld, all new zones on that world, trying to destroy them completely.

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Uh....destroy them completely? No. I want to take the fight to them, hard, but even Khorak stops the killing when no-one wants to fight him anymore.
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3) Humanity turns on the super beings, heroes and villains are forced to ally in order to survive.

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This doesn't even make sense, the heroes have very obviously saved the entire planet. They're bulletproof as an institution. You can tell people heroes saved them from Galactus, but they rarely ever SEE it. The Rikti performed a worldwide invasion that levelled vast swathes of modern civilisation, and the heroes stopped them fight in front of our faces. That's PR that can't be swept away.

Chairman of the Charity of Pain; accepting donations of blood and guts.

Prophet of the Creamy Truth; "If it's empty, fill it with cream."

Mothers_Love · 07-13-2008 10:04 PM

Can't destroy them (not very heroic), can't coexist with them (faction wants to destroy Mankind)... thats looking from our point of view, look from the viewpoint of the Rikti;

The story needs to continue so,...

Time travel exists in the CoX Universe, so have the Rikti pull a Terminator-style venture, go back in time and pull off an alternate timeline..
They decide its too hard to invade in the present day with so many heroes and villains in existance so a battalion travels back to a depression crippled Paragon City in the 1930's

Cue map zones of 1930's pre-invasion Paragon:
WhiteSands, Eastgate suburbs before the Hollowing, the old Cityhall, skycrapers as partial wireframe etc, you could be visting a pre-franchise Icon surplus store to dress up Watchman-style, Some maps/zones could optionally be in Sepia.

Rikti battalion are set to destroy a fledgling Paragon City and follow through to the Isle of Praxidae and obliterate the Well of the Furies before Stephan and Marcus can reach it.
Without Statesman and Lord Recluse ever existing they can conquer this alternative world and construct a portal to bring the Rikti Race through to join them.

You as Heroes and Villains must ensure Marcus and Stephan survive long enough to realise their destinys and then join them along with the rest of the Freedom Phalanx, fighting alongside a 1930s Statesman, Maiden Justice, Elementar and The Dark Watcher in sending the Alien scum packing and securing a (slightly altered) timeline - but one that will at least have superpowered Heroes/Villains in it.

Since this will be the first time you actually get to visit the Isle of Praxidae and the fabled Well of the Furies, I would like you to be addressed by Megan, Alexis and Phoebe and the gift from the furies to you for successful completion of the Taskforce to be a vial of golden Nectar, this will open up the Incarnates powerpool for level Fifties.

The Tf is hard,....actually, scratch that - Its a frakkin nightmare.

BunnyHopPop · 07-13-2008 10:10 PM

Mother, you've been mind reading me again?

I was thinking more or less the exact same sort of Task force, instead of recipes or anything else you have a choice between perm changes to your toon.

For example, you can only pick 1 and you can only pick it 10 times and can only change it once.

Healing increased by 1% (have to do the task force each time and are given 1% in the power or recipe afterwards, your choice)

Defense by 1%.

Damage 1%.

Etc etc.

Mothers_Love · 07-13-2008 10:13 PM

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Well, I am a Psionic Empath, but I wouldn't dream of reading you without your permission Bunny

Vox_Doom · 07-13-2008 10:46 PM

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Can't destroy them (not very heroic), can't coexist with them (faction wants to destroy Mankind)... thats looking from our point of view, look from the viewpoint of the Rikti;

The story needs to continue so,...

Time travel exists in the CoX Universe, so have the Rikti pull a Terminator-style venture, go back in time and pull off an alternate timeline..
They decide its too hard to invade in the present day with so many heroes and villains in existance so a battalion travels back to a depression crippled Paragon City in the 1930's

Cue map zones of 1930's pre-invasion Paragon:
WhiteSands, Eastgate suburbs before the Hollowing, the old Cityhall, skycrapers as partial wireframe etc, you could be visting a pre-franchise Icon surplus store to dress up Watchman-style, Some maps/zones could optionally be in Sepia.

Rikti battalion are set to destroy a fledgling Paragon City and follow through to the Isle of Praxidae and obliterate the Well of the Furies before Stephan and Marcus can reach it.
Without Statesman and Lord Recluse ever existing they can conquer this alternative world and construct a portal to bring the Rikti Race through to join them.

You as Heroes and Villains must ensure Marcus and Stephan survive long enough to realise their destinys and then join them along with the rest of the Freedom Phalanx, fighting alongside a 1930s Statesman, Maiden Justice, Elementar and The Dark Watcher in sending the Alien scum packing and securing a (slightly altered) timeline - but one that will at least have superpowered Heroes/Villains in it.

Since this will be the first time you actually get to visit the Isle of Praxidae and the fabled Well of the Furies, I would like you to be addressed by Megan, Alexis and Phoebe and the gift from the furies to you for successful completion of the Taskforce to be a vial of golden Nectar, this will open up the Incarnates powerpool for level Fifties.

The Tf is hard,....actually, scratch that - Its a frakkin nightmare.

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