I imagine they'd have to tip the scales elsewhere with that placate change but its going to take time to know exactly where.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
This is of course the key factor. With the fast placate bane spiders could hold thier own. Without it they are inferior to all the other SoAs.
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Exactly, whenever someone cries about villains having something remotely good, even for our EPIC AT's, the devs give in and slam the nerf hammer.
They should just man up to the players and say stop crying idiots, VEATs need to have something to make them strong.
If you remember the rage power issue, they were going to remove the one component and extend the duration of another to compensate. I think thats how they do things to try and achieve balance. Ofc no one can balance to how anyone and everyone else plays.
I looked at Crowd Control then compared it to Maces Crowd control...very nice!
But its smash damage.
I think I'd need to play the whole set, have an understanding of what is going on solo or in teams and compare it to how things are designed to potentially be and min-max on excel the "whole" of the set before crying for a change. Dark tanks are coming, now that offers a fair reason for Icetanks to get a damage component in Frozen Aura to my way of thinking..which is obscure. Atm I have done known of that and so would try to constructively say "omg what will night widows be like when fixed?!!2!" knowing that later I can really bring it home as is anyway.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
i see. But i'm one of those people who likes to exert his power, which is why i solo, destroying everything on my nrg/willpower brute for example. Naturally being a brute lover, i WANT banes to be able to solo effectively, these are EPIC AT's we're talking about, they SHOULD be able to solo and clear house!
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This is of course the key factor. With the fast placate bane spiders could hold thier own. Without it they are inferior to all the other SoAs.
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this ^
now they lack the defence of NWs, the resistences of crabs, the mitigation abilities (and have less def) than fortunatas and the def/heals/mitigations of stalkers.
Standardising their placate makes them weaker in terms of defences AND offense as they cannot crit nearly as often
As they stand now they are essentially a mace/EA stalker without AS, weaker crits, no god mode and no end recovery power.
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As they stand now they are essentially a mace/EA stalker without AS, weaker crits, no god mode and no end recovery power.
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The "sensible"* thing is to gut the other VEATS to the same level of power.
*not really sensible at all.
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its not "lolvillains" anymore its "loldevintelligence"
They're only nerfing the SoA's cos the Khelds turn out to be a load of player-hated bullsh*t. They want equal rights (equal for heroes but not villains) so thats why the Nerf Hammer is coming down on them.
Right u are, the devs WILL ALWAYS bow down to heroes when they complain about something.
EDIT: placate nerfed to only 44 secs, its ok i guess, beter than 60 but its still not as good as 10 ^^
I think it's more that they don't want Bane Spider's treading on Stalker's toes too much in Villains than wanting Bane's to be worse than Khelds.
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I think it's more that they don't want Bane Spider's treading on Stalker's toes too much in Villains than wanting Bane's to be worse than Khelds.
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No, you heard him. It's all Heroes. The developers have inscribed the blue side's every wish atop the finest asian silk with the most beautiful ink and quill that can be sought across the globe. After such delicate work, these slivers of material are sent under heavy guard to Elysium itself, whereby the gods smile upon the Heroes and grant them their desire.
Villain requests, however, are tossed in the trash and forgotten about without so much a look.
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They're only nerfing the SoA's cos the Khelds turn out to be a load of player-hated bullsh*t. They want equal rights (equal for heroes but not villains) so thats why the Nerf Hammer is coming down on them.
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expect khelds to change, human form resistences will drop to accomodate mez protection IMO
and geko was a retarded dev, khelds used to have a -30% res to everything debuff solo
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They're only nerfing the SoA's cos the Khelds turn out to be a load of player-hated bullsh*t. They want equal rights (equal for heroes but not villains) so thats why the Nerf Hammer is coming down on them.
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expect khelds to change, human form resistences will drop to accomodate mez protection IMO
and geko was a retarded dev, khelds used to have a -30% res to everything debuff solo
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Yeah that one was funny
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For me its Rest in peace, Banes. Looks like the devs dont give a damn about the feedback at US forums, and obviously, they dont plan to fix it. Which mega sucks in my opinion. Banes now are the most [censored] SoA.
i'll take crabs for their ranged ownage, i WISH i had an account on the US forums to make my voice heard there.
so everyone in this forum has never played heroes before?
bak wen villians was nothing but well an idea which lookd ever so unlikely bak in the beginning of the CoX destiny?
bein a heros player and a villians player im sad to see so much hatred towards the devs on this subject as we cld be paying 10quid for this update with all the content in it alogn with allt he others we r lucky to get free upgrades yes we pay a meesely 8.99 a month which isnt a lot tbh so dnt hate heros
For goodness sake, people, cease thy paranoid ranting. OK, so we got one suboptimal Villain Epic. We also have three which, according to general consensus, own face and look cool whilst doing it. Furthermore, it has been explicitly stated that the introduction of this stuff to the live servers is a final testing period for the content - it's not as if Banes' shortcomings are set in stone from now until eternity. Way to accentuate the negative.
We've got the coolest content, the best epics (overall), and we get to be evil. Stop looking the freakin' gift horse in the mouth and go terrorise some innocents, will ya?
the gift horse in the mouth thing huh? i wouldnt mind so much if they didnt give with one hand and nerf with the other
The thing is i and many others realize that the banes are sub par compared to the other VEATS in defence and resistance and we were ok with that since our placate was so awesome now, like someone said we are gimped mace/EA stalkers with no heal and no tier 9.
and the worst thing for me is i dont really like any of the other VEAT's so much and yes i have tried them all(the crab is ok) my bane on test was where i felt at home and now hes worthless unless i spend millions on rech IOs, defence, resistance and even then, those same IOs on any other VEAT would be better
i doubt the devs check the EU forums much if at all but if one happens to see this please do something for the banes and possibly fortunatas, the defender version of Will domi would be nice (i had to get that in there :P)
I realise that banes are flawed, but that still isn't an excuse for a foamy-mouthed 'devs hate villains' rant, which are distressingly prevalent on this thread. Isn't it remotely possible that they might have made an honest mistake which will be rectified in a later patch?
In the meantime, might I suggest a Night Widow while you wait? From what I hear, they're rather similar to banes with the salient exception of not currently being underpowered. It's your call, though, and your tastes may differ.
theres been no word by the devs which states "we are looking into buffing banes in the near future" so until then i sont expect threads like this one to end.
Personally i still like banes more then any other VEAT even taking into account there waekness so if a buff does come eventually it will just be icing for me
funny thing is that bane placate is bugged, its supposed to get a 20% tohit buff for 10 seconds after being used, this de-scales according to mob and class that its used on, the higher mob you placate the less of a tohit buff you get which is counter to needs
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theres been no word by the devs which states "we are looking into buffing banes in the near future" so until then i sont expect threads like this one to end.
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So... the devs not having yet announced a fix for a single sub-archetype that's only a couple of days out of the Test server is sufficient justification for a 'devs h8 villunz' whine of epic proportions?
Report the problem, sure, and hope for a fix, but for the love of (insert appropriate deity here) ease off on the paranoia and let the poor devs get n with their jobs without a torrent of abuse.
NOTE: Second paragraph was less a response to the guy I quoted, and more a response to the thread in general.
I would much rather have rolled a Bane soldier, they are so bad [censored] in game. Especially when u go to Grandville as a low level for the first time and get placated and critically hit. Executioner's strike is also cool. I rolled a widow instead but Ill get placate and be a wannabe stalker.
I don't get where the archtype comes into its own, I've played alot of brute and stalker and they are both heavy hitting ATs but the lethal of night widow doesn't do that; its especially apparent when teamed with an EM stalker.
I must say, having used placate with the 10 second recharge on the EU test servers now, i feel bane spiders might be able to do some good qwith it, exe striking then stealth striking after a quick placate.
How they could have nerfed this to 60 secs to 'bring it in line with other placate powers' i dont know.
Oh yeah, it's cos positron, castle and all the other red names hate vilains, and dont do anything unles there's good for heroes in it, and are too scared to give any justification thats anything more than a famous castle- one word answer.
At least do SOMETHING to make up for it if u do