Defiant empty for a reason?


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Okay this is going to be a bit of a rant so bear with me..

Takes deep breath...

I've been playing this game since it launched in the US off and on and I have been through a heck of a lot with my empath defender so I reckon I know pretty well how to best use my powers for the benefit of the team.

I join a team this afternoon run by a defender consisting of, with me two defenders, two brutes and one corrupter. I do what I normally do, apply the old auras, fortitude and adrenaline boost on the brutes. Now this "leader" starts to tell me not to apply fortitude and adrenaline boost to anyone else BUT the brutes - when it is clear they were not burning up endurance yet the corrupter was going through it like there was no tomorrow.

The he starts complaining that I chose powers which in his opinion were a waste of time - I pointed out that I picked powers I wanted for my character and not because they fit into some nice little template.

Then we get on to the age old clear mind issue - I apply clear mind regularly on all team members (a shame they can't do the same to me). I think prevention is better than cure after all. So this "leader" then says "CM FFS its not hard" - because he got held during a battle - it's not like a massive sign goes up over his head and there are lots of other things going on. Most (polite) people get by with a simple zzz to point out they are held or sleeping.

Now I know that on the whole I have had several years of enjoyable times on Defiant but lately I have seen an increase in these players who think that unless you follow the "best" build then you are useless - this "leader" said as much to the team which was dropping like flies because of their attitude.

The "leader" was probably someone who has yet to know what a razor is for - if they think that CoX is simply about using set templates then that's their loss. I like diverse characters - that's why the developers give us choices of powers. If we all played the "best" (in some peoples opinions) powers then the game would be very dull.

Sadly it's players like this that keep me counting the days until I can migrate over to Union where I have seen nothing but helpful players who embrace a diverse set of builds.

There that's better...


 

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Most of my characters are on Union, thought I do have a few in the late 30's on Defiant too.

I think there are players like this on both servers to be honest. Weekends seem the worst times, probably due to the age of said players. I was playing in a group today on Union and had someone similar.

I recently got my 36 month reward and know this game backwards, but I don't tell people how to play or what powers to pick unless they ask for advice!

I've noticed Defiant IS lot less populated, though I couldn't tell you why.

You have my sympathies!


 

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There are always people like that... Anywhere.


 

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There are always people like that... Anywhere.

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I agree 100% with this. Defiant has it's share of idiots, and I can garuntee Union, Vigilance and Zukunft do too. But where there's an idiotic player, there's always a friendly one round the corner. It's shame in a way because topics of Defiant's numbers dwindling is an increasingly more common sight. I can admit I see less activity on Defiant now, but nonetheless I'm staying here to the bitter end; I started here, and I've got 2 lvl 50's here, and it'll always be my home server. I11 Will bring back the numbers again, if only for a short while, I said the same thing for i10 and now I'm saying it again!


 

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Some very wise words there Capt I've had exactly the same problem when playing my sonic controller, having random idiots yelling at me to go pick a set that is more helpful and by that they usually mean something that heals! Have to agree with you though Capt us poor deviants are getting thinner in numbers Anyhow Major Healer don't give up on CoX yet you just have to remember the amount of friendly players will always outweigh the random idiots


 

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Okay this is going to be a bit of a rant so bear with me..

Takes deep breath...

I've been playing this game since it launched in the US off and on and I have been through a heck of a lot with my empath defender so I reckon I know pretty well how to best use my powers for the benefit of the team.

I join a team this afternoon run by a defender consisting of, with me two defenders, two brutes and one corrupter. I do what I normally do, apply the old auras, fortitude and adrenaline boost on the brutes. Now this "leader" starts to tell me not to apply fortitude and adrenaline boost to anyone else BUT the brutes - when it is clear they were not burning up endurance yet the corrupter was going through it like there was no tomorrow.

The he starts complaining that I chose powers which in his opinion were a waste of time - I pointed out that I picked powers I wanted for my character and not because they fit into some nice little template.

Then we get on to the age old clear mind issue - I apply clear mind regularly on all team members (a shame they can't do the same to me). I think prevention is better than cure after all. So this "leader" then says "CM FFS its not hard" - because he got held during a battle - it's not like a massive sign goes up over his head and there are lots of other things going on. Most (polite) people get by with a simple zzz to point out they are held or sleeping.

Now I know that on the whole I have had several years of enjoyable times on Defiant but lately I have seen an increase in these players who think that unless you follow the "best" build then you are useless - this "leader" said as much to the team which was dropping like flies because of their attitude.

The "leader" was probably someone who has yet to know what a razor is for - if they think that CoX is simply about using set templates then that's their loss. I like diverse characters - that's why the developers give us choices of powers. If we all played the "best" (in some peoples opinions) powers then the game would be very dull.

Sadly it's players like this that keep me counting the days until I can migrate over to Union where I have seen nothing but helpful players who embrace a diverse set of builds.

There that's better...

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I'm not sure his type are confined to Defiant only


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I totally agree. I'm a Controller and they go ''like, run at them, dude! ambush them!''. What do they think I am? A Brute?

There are some people that will never learn that farming isn't always fun, that RPing gets boring sometimes, that ATs have all their own special abilites.

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Pfft... Empathy

On a more serious note, I've had my fair share of "idiots" on both Defiant and Union myself, as well as a few on my incursions over on Vigilance. I'll also admit that, given a certain mood, I can be a bit forthcoming with my "advice" on builds. Everyone had bad days, after all.


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Your empath sounds ideal to me so whilst you and this leader obviously disagree with each others ideas in play I am on your side!

You cant tarnish the whole of the Defiant player base with the same brush. There is a reason for so many SGs and little groups cos so many people aren't all that able to get on with each other.

The game is "round peg --> round hole" to me and the hardest part is being around players who don't assist each other, talk with each other, well basically ignore each other in terms of what characters each other has and what they can and cant do.

I especially hate those that think as though an empath is someone who just chases peoples sorry derriere's all over the place like a measely little sidekick who only heals....thats actually a lot of people


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I especially hate those that think as though an empath is someone who just chases peoples sorry derriere's all over the place like a measely little sidekick who only heals....thats actually a lot of people

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I do that all the time on my empath, dont want anyone on the floor, not on my watch! Then again I do the same on my troller, scrapper, blaster, mastermind, tanker and defender. Run around trying to cover for everyone (except if someone aggroed a third mob, I'm probably gonna let that one slide)

I enjoy it, but it can be very tiresome.


 

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Agreed that players who think empaths are just their personal hospital are extremely annoying, but also players who think an empath is a blaster with a self heal (and there are quite a few of those also) can ruin your teaming big time.
Biggest problem imho is that people who think empaths are only their healing bots transmit that wrong concept to other players. Earlier on, we were doing LGTF (in Union) and we had a team of 3 scrappers, 2 blasters, dark/dark defender, an ill/rad troller and an /empath troller (can't remember his primary). he didn't use his RA's until at least 3rd mish and with full maps of Chief Mentalists and Chief Mesmerists who kept us perma-mezzed, we had to ask him 4 or 5 times for Clear Mind because he didn't use it at all, he told us he waas too busy healing, when it was obvious that we were doing ok on the healing department, but if you have 4 team mates typing "Held" or "zzzz" or CM please" all the time, you don't have to be a genius. He also said something that got my curiosity, when one of the blasters asked for CM, he replied "you already got auras", I was under the impression he thought RA's provided mez protection and he was lvl 38.
Anyway, sorry for rant, basically my point is that this particular empath might have got the concept that an empath is just a healing bot from players like the one OP described, which imho is also kinda worrying for the sake of teaming.


 

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Its amazing the quantity of high levels players you find nowadays that got no clue of the game or can't enjoy it.

That said I got an empath to 50. He's more a healer that anything else and all his powers are picked up thinking about others. Full primary but recovery aura (I don't like that one) Leadership pool, Recall Friend, Invisibility to be able to ghost missions, and 4 powers for my secondary (Dark blast) that can debuff enemys accuracy, inmobilize (Dark tentacles) and a snipe.

That said he was one of my first characters I got him to 45 and stopped playing it. Why? I got tired of people, really. I had my usual teams wich I have lot of fun with, but others where always putting me the responsability of their safety. If a blaster goes like crazy inside of a mobs and die its my fault 'cause I didn't heal fast enough,If we got a super-ambush and we got smashed my fault again, by no healing fast enought, and bla bla bla not fast enough...

Got so tired that I created Plumber and got him to 50, more a solo character


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Maybe the topic title was not the best choice but I was seriously hacked off by the attitude of this person.

They considered that my choice of additional powers to be wasteful - now I have spent a considerable amount of time ob a build which is true to what I consider an empath to need.

1) All empathy powers
2) The bare minimum of combat powers - 3 of them and minimally slotted
3) Teleport - solely for teleport friend
4) Speed - solely for hasten so I can use my powers more often than their slotted reduce recharges currently allow (i.e. heal faster)
5) Fitness - for health & stamina but the swift & hurdle come in very handy to get to teammates or out of trouble
6) Flight - For hover and flight - sometimes it's best to be above the action keeping the team standing

Now there is not one of the additional power pools which I would like to drop. Sure some may think that speed and flight is a waste as they are both travel powers but I dislike superspeed with a passion and an empath (or just about any character) without hasten is less effective (in my opinion).

Now it could be that this person has never played an empath - we have a hard time in the game as some posters here have stated. A little respect and common decency for a player who takes their role seriously is all that is needed - there are many out there who do respect an empath who does their job well (i.e. keeps the team going as a whole and not just the one who screams the loudest).


 

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When I'm looking for a defender for my team, I usually don't care which primary they have. I mean, they all help.
And in higher levels, Empaths are more about the buffs than healing for me.

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1) All empathy powers
2) The bare minimum of combat powers - 3 of them and minimally slotted
3) Teleport - solely for teleport friend
4) Speed - solely for hasten so I can use my powers more often than their slotted reduce recharges currently allow (i.e. heal faster)
5) Fitness - for health & stamina but the swift & hurdle come in very handy to get to teammates or out of trouble
6) Flight - For hover and flight - sometimes it's best to be above the action keeping the team standing

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Sounds like an ideal empath to me.


 

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When someone comes up saying I should play my character this or that way, I simply listen to them and then if it's any good I'll do it, if I know it is rubbish or boring I'lll just listen and then keep playing as I was before.
Option 2 would be /em point *laugh hard* and move on.

Between Union and Defiant I think there is not much difference between players, as a matter of fact so far I ran into more meatballs on Union than on Defiant,


 

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Sadly it's players like this that keep me counting the days until I can migrate over to Union where I have seen nothing but helpful players who embrace a diverse set of builds.

There that's better...

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I play a lot on Defiant and Union and in my experience you find this kind of player everywhere unfortunately.
And I suspect a lot of them are looking forward to migrating to Union too, for the opportunity of more players to teach how to do it proper.


 

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As others have said looks a good build (better then mine)

My hate is the team that splits and guess who's fault it is when we get wiped? Not forgetting the Scrapper who's convinced that he/she is a top class tank

But with a good team, and I've been mainly lucky, you can't beat the feeling of winning another mission with no deaths


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Lots of points in there!

All servers have their fair share of morons, leechers & idiots etc.

As a concept builder and being a bit stubborn, i always build the toon according to their character and the powers that fit that. If someone says blah/blob is bad combination or no-one uses /jiffy, i run off & try it!

On my teams, I welcome any player, if the team is banging on about getting a healer or a tank and there are none available, i take the player I've found who is 'lft' and WANTS a team. Sure some team formations will kick [censored] but more often than not, it's cool to use what you have and actually THINK about your next attempt on that troublesome Elite Boss. That aside, if the builds are all awful, the players are drunk and a debt fest ensues BUT we're chatting & having fun, I'd pick the useless fun team anyday over the elite silent running dull ones.

I will offer advice, put forth suggestions but defiantly defend someone who likes their build as they've built it.

Silly people get silly responses or at times heavily sarcastic replies when they do thing s like rely too strongly on the Emp or if a tank thinks he's indestructible and wades into 20 mobs; 9/10 learn pretty swiftly when put straight.

Then there's the Kick or Quit buttons.....


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I especially hate those that think as though an empath is someone who just chases peoples sorry derriere's all over the place like a measely little sidekick who only heals....thats actually a lot of people

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I do that all the time on my empath, dont want anyone on the floor, not on my watch! Then again I do the same on my troller, scrapper, blaster, mastermind, tanker and defender. Run around trying to cover for everyone (except if someone aggroed a third mob, I'm probably gonna let that one slide)

I enjoy it, but it can be very tiresome.

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When I was new the game I used to enjoy it, basing a good empath on their reflexes etc that a lot of people do now even up to 50 but I know that the constant spamming of heals, darting from one area to another or even having to hover above people spamming heal aura doesn't have to happen. People can be buffed! But so many don't even wait for them and play as though that because the empath is in team they must automatically have fort on them and can run into a large group of +3 warwolves with their nrg blaster and nuke straight away.

The fact I took recall friend in the early stages was purely down to where other people chose to go, be and fall. One doesn't heal/cast cm etc thru walls. TP self gets you anywhere fast which is good when people are all over the place upstairs and downstairs which is why I have got it but the reason I have kept it is because despite being -flied, -slowed or immob'd (2 of which you cant use a BF for) I can move.

Some empaths are conceptually pacifistic with having mostly team buff powers etc and hardly any blasts and to be able to do that for conceptual reasons is one of the reasons I like this game but there is nothing wrong with having a blaster like empath neither, both should be able to do the same content with the same team make ups and get thru them just as well. My problem with some offenders is that they can be lost in their attack chains as though they forget they are a defender and fall into blaster mode.

There is no need for leaderships or powermastery on a empath, no need to take tp pool, no need to have leap pool in fact most powers to take should be taken out of concept really but sometimes we tend to take things due to how other people play.


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I play on Defiant, I have 6 level 50's there. It's where I transfered to fresh from the US servers.

If people think Defiant is dying; then I'll go down with my ship.


 

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When I'm looking for a defender for my team, I usually don't care which primary they have. I mean, they all help.
And in higher levels, Empaths are more about the buffs than healing for me.

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1) All empathy powers
2) The bare minimum of combat powers - 3 of them and minimally slotted
3) Teleport - solely for teleport friend
4) Speed - solely for hasten so I can use my powers more often than their slotted reduce recharges currently allow (i.e. heal faster)
5) Fitness - for health & stamina but the swift & hurdle come in very handy to get to teammates or out of trouble
6) Flight - For hover and flight - sometimes it's best to be above the action keeping the team standing

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Sounds like an ideal empath to me.

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Lol is almost exactly my move set and i have a great time healing everyone in the team!

Just dont tell me how 2 do my job lol


 

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Sounds exactly like my empath, except I didn't choose Health from the Fitness pool.

Put it down to one of those 'moronic moments' that occasionally flare up in what ever game you play online.


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Sounds exactly like my empath, except I didn't choose Health from the Fitness pool.

Put it down to one of those 'moronic moments' that occasionally flare up in what ever game you play online.

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Plus you have the coolest binds


 

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So perhaps its less crowded at defiant, i enjoy it more atm. Made quite some new toons on both servers, on defiant several times during rikti raids i got a random invite from high lvl people and got skéd up, dispite the few fighting we stand ground and had a great time. On union however, trashtalk, scolding, insulting or nonstop KS'ing (had a lvl37 following me nonstop all around atlas, he kept attacking everything i tried to hit).

And a big thx to the lvl50 empath that kept me alive

Nope, defiant ftw! If it goes, i go with it


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I also play Defender's and my 1st Alt was Empath Flush, i use the same Emp powers as you do buy the sounds (I'm 100% Emp) of it & use the same types you do, Eg. need cast AB, need better aim cast Fort Ect. SIMPLE .
You Play as a defender you know how to defednt even if you do get every dept badge learning .
It was just the team you were on bunck on Newbies who think they know it all most problbs buy the sound of it m8.
I have eben on teames like that on Defiant union, if i know i am doing my job properly (I also set up binds all the time so pll listen, if they miss me casting on them it's thier fault for not listening imo) and i get abuse i leave asap & see how they do withoght my help .
I say take it on the chin & allways try to have fun m8 dont let gamer's like that spiol your gaming experience .