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Its not pink, its salmon >_<

It might sound a little messed up, but despite not being homophobic, i am very much Metrophobic

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Real men wear pink, you ponce.

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Its not pink, its salmon >_<

It might sound a little messed up, but despite not being homophobic, i am very much Metrophobic

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Real men wear pink, you ponce.

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yes, yes, i know, and have hair like Tintin <rolls eyes>

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Its not pink, its salmon >_<

It might sound a little messed up, but despite not being homophobic, i am very much Metrophobic

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Real men wear pink, you ponce.

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yes, yes, i know, and have hair like Tintin <rolls eyes>

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Real men are Jimmy Somerville?

well to be honest Mechanos catboy form was homosexual before this topic even appeared, infact turning him into a Wuzzle (Pink catboy with butterfly wings) has been on the cards from before this topic turned up as well (just ask Lunk).

I like to play the forms as varying sides to himself. His younger self is the more serious and slightly more sane than his older self, whose prone to ranting and off-the-cuff comments. His dragon form is the form he takes when threatened since its (RPwise) more powerful than any of the others. The Catboy form would be considered his feminie side given shape.

Mechano is not strictly speaking a [censored] character, just happens that one of his forms is.

Once, many moons ago, I rolled some mainly male chars, and played them all straight. I had only one female Daemon pleasure slave from one of the layers of hell for a while, but she got hit by the delete-stick due to a dislike of her powers. I haven't rerolled her since, because I have tried new powersets and stories since then.

Then a bout of mania led to all my chars getting hit by said delete-stick, and after taking a break I came back and rolled mainly female chars, and have one male char. I look for interesting histories, appearances, and finally powersets that worked well together according to the histories and appearances.

I didn't think even once until reading this thread about what sexuality each one was, (aside from the pleasure-slave daemon, who swung in every direction you care to point in) and it's only now that I look back at a few of them, that I think that one of them could have been either a closet-homosexual or confused about the whole thing. He was flaboyant, loved to talk at length about his experiments, and felt very uncomfortable around women. Was he homosexual? I still have no idea.

Then, as now, the sexuality of either my own or other player characters just isn't something that I think about, unless the roleplay takes things in that direction organically.

I agree with previous comments that specifically rolling a char just to be homosexual and male isn't the right way to go and if I roll a char who is homosexual, it won't be because I want a homosexual char, it'll be because The Char (TM) *is* homosexual. The char doesn't care why they swing the direction they do, they swing that way because it's part of who they are, not the whole of their person - much like their Origin.

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Sorry, but you're kinda contradicting yourself.

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Am not!

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You say he was Bi anyway, but then you say only reason you're considering making him Bi is because of this thread?

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no. The only reason why I even thought about his sexuality was this thread. I had not previously thought about his sexuality, at all.

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Can you not see that this means you're only considering it because this thread has made the idea more popular?

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What? No! I don't consider "making" him bi/[censored].

Let's make it simple:

* What I am considering: "Activating" Disco Fever, as in "bringing him into play", as in "logging in to CoH and selecting Disco Fever in stead of A-bom when selecting character".

* What I was reminded of in this thread: That I hadn't previously thought about Disco Fever's sexuality, but now that I do think about it, he seems like a very bisexual character in my mind (just like myself, by the way).

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(If you doubt this just ask your friends if they have playfully or passionately kissed another person of the same gender. You will find by far more women admitting to this than men... and the few men will likely tell you that they were drunk when they did it.)

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Well, you've obviously not met my friends... =)
We're more or less statistically correct (one or two openly [censored], several bi's, and a majority of heteros), but a little less "phobic"...


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That's not too uncommon when you have homosexual/bi friends. Actually, the fact that you have such friends shows that you can't be that homophobic.
Personally, I am fine with bi or homosexual people, although I usually don't mix too well with 'queens' (to put it in words that won't be [censored]) as I find their company arduous at best. (Just to mention, I don't like women with the same kind of 'style' either.)
Well, I used to have an acquaintance who was a little bit 'queenish' which was actually quite funny since he looked like a 250lbs skinhead trucker.
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Male players are a little bit different.

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Not all of them... =)

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Somehow this reminds me of a certain scene in "Life of Brian"...
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(Who would have guessed that men and women are different? )

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As long as you don't go around claiming it's because of biology, honey =)

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Well, actually most of these differences do have their roots in biology, but that's not really the point. (And I had to make a slight generalization there just to keep my statement at least somewhat concise. )
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Most men are heterosexual and many are (at least) a little bit homophobic.

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Aw, that's just because they're scared of their homosexual side... Most people are at least a little bit bi (as evidenced by the number of really macho men who kiss guys when they're really drunk)... =)


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Sure, being homophobic means having a (mild) phobia and in most cases this special phobia can be explained with an uncertainty about the own manliness and/or sexual orientation... which is exactly the reason why some men take their machismo just one or two steps too far... which is why one shouldn't be too surprised when it's a self-proclaimed macho who kisses another man when he is drunk.
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a majority of heterosexual men
a sizeable chunk of lesbian/bi women
a roughly equally sized percentage of heterosexual women (perhaps less if there are many teens on the server)
very few homosexual men
You see, it's very normal that there are a lot more lesbian heroes than male homosexual toons.

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What? No bi men? At all? =)

(Hm, I might activate my old completely unleveled character, Disco Fever - if anyone would stick it to either gender, it'd be him. And he's got the funky disco powers to back it up!)

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Well, bi men are a problem in a sense. Actually, all male toons I have met were played as heterosexual or homosexual (with the former being a huge majority). Not a single one of them was bi (or at least not to my knowledge). Because of that I would consider them a 'minor statistical deviation' and didn't include them in my list.

Before this thread existed, you had never considered his sexuality. If it had not existed, you'd probably have started playing him still with no thought to his sexuality. This thread has made you consider his sexuality, and you decided he was bi. That says to me that the only reason you thought Bi fits him is because it's become a popular choice.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm not saying that's how it IS. I'm just saying that how it appears.

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That's not too uncommon when you have homosexual/bi friends. Actually, the fact that you have such friends shows that you can't be that homophobic.

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Personally, I'm not very homophobic. Kind of hard being openly bi and homophobic at the same time...

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Well, actually most of these differences do have their roots in biology, but that's not really the point. (And I had to make a slight generalization there just to keep my statement at least somewhat concise. )

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Well, let's just agree to disagree then. If you really want a discussion about the socialized nature of genders etc, we can have that particular nasty bit of feminist discussion somewhere else...

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Before this thread existed, you had never considered his sexuality. If it had not existed, you'd probably have started playing him still with no thought to his sexuality. This thread has made you consider his sexuality, and you decided he was bi. That says to me that the only reason you thought Bi fits him is because it's become a popular choice.

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Well, you think whatever you like. I'm bi myself, and making my Disco-inspired alter-ego bi doesn't seem like such a big stretch, really. I chose bisexuality because it fit with the rest, nothing else. Had this been a ghaybasher thread where everyone hated homos, i'd still have chosen bi as his sexuality. Heck, you could have had a thread on the topic of cybering in general, with a distinct heterosexual focus, and I'd still have made him bi.

But like I said, man. Think what you like. Whatever floats your [censored].

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Please can anyone thinking of making a g*y toon read this and take it to heart. WHen I started this thread it was out of genuine curiousity and frustration born of feeling like I'd have to give Crimson a forum only boyfriend.

Sadly, I'm now more worried that Pocket D is going to filled with Graham Norton or John Innman act-a-likes dressing in bondage straps and various shades of pink apparel!

Please don't take this from one extreme to another in the name of "fair" roleplaying...

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I had already made him and the outfit he wears is a uniform of a project he was involved in, one of those super-soldier-esque deals. Currently he's struggling with his sexual identity, his few friends trying to get him hooked up with girls but he just doesn't feel right.

To the outside world he's an average joe but inside (a part which cannot be seen) he feels a little screwed up but he carries on waiting for the right person to come along and help him understand himself better. When he does, he won't be changing his day-to-day lifestyle, he'll just be mroe comfortable with himself.

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Before this thread existed, you had never considered his sexuality. If it had not existed, you'd probably have started playing him still with no thought to his sexuality. This thread has made you consider his sexuality, and you decided he was bi. That says to me that the only reason you thought Bi fits him is because it's become a popular choice.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm not saying that's how it IS. I'm just saying that how it appears.

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To be honest I didn't have that impression at all. Who actually thinks about a toon's sexual orientation before he starts playing that toon, especially if the toon happens to have the same sexual orientation as the player?
For me it's 'normal' that all my toons are heterosexual by default, although only few of my toons are interested in that at all, so it's hardly relevant for their roleplay.
So, I think it's only believable that a bi player finds a bi toon in his roster when he thinks about it. This thread might be the cause for putting any thought in it at all, but I highly doubt that it has any effect on the outcome of this thought.

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Well, actually most of these differences do have their roots in biology, but that's not really the point. (And I had to make a slight generalization there just to keep my statement at least somewhat concise. )

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Well, let's just agree to disagree then. If you really want a discussion about the socialized nature of genders etc, we can have that particular nasty bit of feminist discussion somewhere else...

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Agreed. I highly doubt that you could convince me that all differences between genders could be 'socialized away'.

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Agreed. I highly doubt that you could convince me that all differences between genders could be 'socialized away'.

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There'd still be differences, of course. Mainly having to do with breast size and what's dangling (or not) between the legs. But all that [censored] about women being mainly good at caring, having children, etc while men are mainly "hunters", good with mechanics, etc needs to go out the frickin' window - now.

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Well, let's just agree to disagree then. If you really want a discussion about the socialized nature of genders etc, we can have that particular nasty bit of feminist discussion somewhere else...

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Agreed. I highly doubt that you could convince me that all differences between genders could be 'socialized away'.

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There'd still be differences, of course. Mainly having to do with breast size and what's dangling (or not) between the legs. But all that [censored] about women being mainly good at caring, having children, etc while men are mainly "hunters", good with mechanics, etc needs to go out the frickin' window - now.

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Well, it's not that easy. Some of that is indeed more thinking in "roles" and that, but evolution has played along as well (surely influenced by prehistorical role allocation - that's how evolution works - but that doesn't make it less real) with the obvious anatomic differences being of only minor relevance as long as we are not talking about progeny. It's more about how their brains and their modes of perception work. I don't want to derail this thread any further by going into too much scientific detail, but it's a fact that genders tend to be more predisposed towards certain activities and occupations just because their brains or their ways of perception support these activities or occupations. (Keep in mind, this is all about statistic averages, so there naturally are mavericks in one or the other direction.)
However, I value these differences and think sexist blabber is basically a waste of energy, be it to talk a away these differences or to keep a particular person "in their role".

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Well, it's not that easy. Some of that is indeed more thinking in "roles" and that, but evolution has played along as well (surely influenced by prehistorical role allocation - that's how evolution works - but that doesn't make it less real) with the obvious anatomic differences being of only minor relevance as long as we are not talking about progeny. It's more about how their brains and their modes of perception work. I don't want to derail this thread any further by going into too much scientific detail, but it's a fact that genders tend to be more predisposed towards certain activities and occupations just because their brains or their ways of perception support these activities or occupations. (Keep in mind, this is all about statistic averages, so there naturally are mavericks in one or the other direction.)

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Keep in mind, though, that neither thesis can actually be proven. Sure, a statistical analysis will show that most women have "caretaker" jobs (or that the majority of violence is cause by people with dark skin) but statistics don't explain anything. Statistics don't show why women generally have caretaker jobs - nature or nurture? Noone knows. And until we've done some extensive experiments in social engineering (highly morally suspect experiments) we'll never know for sure. "How brains and modes of perception" work is very much something we don't have the faintest clue about. There are as many theories on the workings of the human mind as there are psychiatric philosophers, and more.


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However, I value these differences and think sexist blabber is basically a waste of energy, be it to talk a away these differences or to keep a particular person "in their role".

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Personally, I simply see how people who would work very well in particular societal roles are kept from those roles simply based on how they were raised and taught that their genders "should" behave. I've also met more than enough caretaker men and mechanic women to take any biologistic theory with a big fat grain of salt.

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Who actually thinks about a toon's sexual orientation before he starts playing that toon, especially if the toon happens to have the same sexual orientation as the player?

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As I imagine that as the majority of Alts (even RP Alts) are pretty much cteated off-the-cuff, or with a generalised theme or half formed backstory, this is probably true. Sexuality tends not to be the big THING when creating a character. It certainly wasn't for Crimson Archer. He was originally created because I'm a huge fan of Green Arrow and liked the idea of make GA into a bigotted redneck. The two things that defined Crimson in the beginning was him being both a homage character and an [censored] who didn't like mutants.

But, as RP alts do, he grew. Inside my head he started to mess with the plans for him. I hoped to have him involved in a three way love triangle with a couple of other SG characters, but he just wouldn't play ball in my head. For ages I couldn't figure out why this character wouldn't behave, until I realised that his backstory, his personality, and all those little inspirations that come about through playing were making him g*y. And that was it, he fitted in my head!

I suppose what I'm trying to say is, strive for realism. Play a character, don't write them. If you try and micro-manage a character then there's little room for growth, and the joy of roleplaying (for me at least) is in that growth. The little surprises that get thrown up by your character from time-to-time which make them a wonder to play.

(Okay, this has turned into abit of a ramble, and I'm now not sure if it's on-topic or not. Either way I'll post it, and you can set the pandas on my later if it makes no sense!)

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Sure, a statistical analysis will show that most women have "caretaker" jobs (or that the majority of violence is cause by people with dark skin) but statistics don't explain anything. Statistics don't show why women generally have caretaker jobs - nature or nurture?

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"How brains and modes of perception" work is very much something we don't have the faintest clue about. There are as many theories on the workings of the human mind as there are psychiatric philosophers, and more.

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True, we don't understand everything yet, but I think it's a little bit of a stretch to call our knowledge "not the faintest clue". It seems your information is a little bit dated. You can show in experiments how differently the sense of orientation of men and women works, how men's perception "favours" different things than women's and even that different regions of their brains react to the exact same stimulus. Most of these things can not be explained in the least by modern socialization (and it would even less explain why these differences persist in many cultures with little semblance to ours), but would make incredibly much sense if they would have been "learned" in prehistoric times leading to an adapted evolution. Rashly dismissing those theories because there is no final proof strikes me as somewhat naive.
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However, I value these differences and think sexist blabber is basically a waste of energy, be it to talk a away these differences or to keep a particular person "in their role".

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Personally, I simply see how people who would work very well in particular societal roles are kept from those roles simply based on how they were raised and taught that their genders "should" behave. I've also met more than enough caretaker men and mechanic women to take any biologistic theory with a big fat grain of salt.

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As you may have noticed the things you "simply see" are exactly those things I called a waste of energy. If it eases you I can assure you that these things get more and more uncommon where I live. Unfortunately, this has also some more unpleasant side effects (due to over-zealous feminist preaching) as some people get a bit oversensitive to perceived sexist behaviour. I, for example, consider it good manners to open the door for a lady (or anybody else who passes the same door I am about to pass or have just passed) and I am quite irritated if this is answered by a rude remark by a woman who sees this as sexist behaviour. Very sad!
And I would never doubt that there are caretaker men and mechanic women. Being predisposed towards something (as I said) is not the same as not being able to do something else and as already mentioned there are always mavericks (which has nothing to do with job statistics). Why would you suggest that biology draws a distinct line between things like male and female or any other biological phenomenon? If your sources tell you something like that you should clearly take their advice with a big fat grain of salt.

If this thread has given someone the spark of 'oh! That's the kind of character I want to create', then go for it. If you want to make your character the gheyest **** evah, or biker tom of finland or just the ordinary (super) joe who just happens to dig guys, not girls, do that. Whatever it was that grabbed at you and made you think of a character.

I very much doubt creating g*y characters becomes a the new Lesbian Catgirls. And if it does, so what? There's a trend that passes, and hopefully people had fun during it. (Except for the homophobes). It's not like things would stay the same anyway.

Personally, I get inspirations for my characters from various sources, but often it's one quirk, personality trait, belief or appearance that surfaces first and the rest builds itself up around it. One of my characters infact started out with pretty much this premise, he was 'a purple g*y entertainer' (back in SWG), so I cannot fault someone from having one of the starting defining features of their character as g*y.

Dr_Mechano: The [censored] aspect sounds fun, I hope you post screenies soon!

One thing I find funny about this whole topic is that despite being an incredibly effeminate and open minded guy IRL, none of my characters have been male. Ever. It's actually difficult for me to play a male character, be they straight, [censored] or whatever.

It's a very....odd situation for me. This even extends to games which I don't roleplay in; given the choice of a female, genderless (machines and so on) or male character the male will almost always be my final choice.

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I, for example, consider it good manners to open the door for a lady (or anybody else who passes the same door I am about to pass or have just passed) and I am quite irritated if this is answered by a rude remark by a woman who sees this as sexist behaviour.

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Funny story there that I read about, a man on the Underground gave his seat up for a heavily pregnant woman, who in response looked scornfully at him and said "You're only giving me that seat as I'm a woman."

To which he replied: "If you were a pregnant man I'd have offered the seat to you."

A win of epic proportions.

I won't get into the debate on gender, nature vs nurture and socialization, seeing as I'm having enough of that in my exams at the moment.

Best story I heard along a similar vein was a man holding a door open for a woman to pass through. She says "You're only holding that open becasue I'm a woman"

"No ma'am," says the man, "I am holding it open because *I* am a gentleman."

ZING!

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Now, I may have no right to say this - not being [censored]but I'm not 100% with you on the idea of pretending to be something you're not in order to annoy/berate or condemn other people.

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Far from it, it's really a method of Enlightenment. Enlightenment does not come from being condemned, annoyed or berated, it comes from being taught a lesson. In this case, by introducing empathy.

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Sadly, I'm now more worried that Pocket D is going to filled with Graham Norton or John Innman act-a-likes dressing in bondage straps and various shades of pink apparel!

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Oh ye of little faith! I've checked and only one person has mentioned creating a Pink character, because he's a comedian. (Love you Mechano. &lt;3)

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Damn right, because it's popular! Nothing about pushing boundaries, trying something different, adding character detail, or giving the Crimson Archer a friend. No, all humans act on shallow impulses to be popular all the time. Of course! Lets abandon our projects now, because it's far too selfish to hold any merit.

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Disco Fever was created to be the ultimate paragon of Disco a few months back.

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We have far too many of the same ideas, Krank, for it to be healthy for this planet. Let's team. ^_^

So, my final thought;
Before you assume that every G*y character spawned from this thread will be a horrible affront to the Homosexual community and try to make us stop and think about the pink calamity we're about to unleash on Pocket D. Just remember, we're smarter than that. We're Role Players.

Peace, Happiness and Love for All,
- Hatesman

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Best story I heard along a similar vein was a man holding a door open for a woman to pass through. She says "You're only holding that open becasue I'm a woman"

"No ma'am," says the man, "I am holding it open because *I* am a gentleman."

ZING!

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PWNT :P

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One thing I find funny about this whole topic is that despite being an incredibly effeminate and open minded guy IRL, none of my characters have been male. Ever. It's actually difficult for me to play a male character, be they straight, [censored] or whatever.

It's a very....odd situation for me. This even extends to games which I don't roleplay in; given the choice of a female, genderless (machines and so on) or male character the male will almost always be my final choice.

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I feel your pain! When I look down my list of alts, only about ten percent of them are male (that's if you discount the aliens, robots and the undead...) I have no idea why but characters I come up with always seem to end up female. I'm sure some expensive psychiatrist could probably tell me why.

As for orientation, I agree that it tends to be only one facet of a character and doesn't have to be a defining one. The only character I've ever given any consideration to in this respect is a complete hedonist anyway and would roll with male, female, alien, zombie, crocodile... so I guess that doesn't really count.

As for Crimson, I'd say that there's things you could explore without a relationship. For example, I know that he's had to turn down several ladies who were interested in him due to his orientation. What would happen if they didn't take no for an answer? What if they fell for him? Could he find himself attracted to a hetero hero? Or even worse, falling for a girl?

I don't, generally speaking, see that many IC relationships these days anyway. Maybe we need to ressurect the superhero dating pages?