MM vs AV/Hero
I have a ninja/poisen mm and dont have much trouble fighting heros/av's solo the poisen debuffs are powerfull and mixed with the great damage from ninja pets it works well.
I think most secondair sets can do very well against Heroes, yet TA i have the most difficulty. Dark can do insane -acc, Poison has massive single target, FF can perma knockback the heroes and /traps have poison trap, mines and seeker drones.
I have fought several heroes with merc/TA, it was a living nightmare. necro/trap i did very good on the other hand.
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Thats intrigued me....having just started a Ninja/Poison MM, have you actually managed to solo the Heroes/AVs all the way down to defeat, or was it a 'Quick Cheese it' moment?
Thugs/DM?
Thugs = A lot of damage. All the time.
Dark Miasma = Debuffing from hell + Dark Servant who debuffs on his own
Win/win if you ask me =D
Thugs/Poison
You do get a brute!
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I've soloed a few AVs on my robots/dark MM. Insane -acc as well as some other nice tricks. And I think the assault bot's plasma cannnons do -regen as well (confirmation please).
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Thats intrigued me....having just started a Ninja/Poison MM, have you actually managed to solo the Heroes/AVs all the way down to defeat, or was it a 'Quick Cheese it' moment?
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With my necro/trap it was actualy a 'woo i pwned him' untill the moment he just left my minions alone and decided to attack me. Luckely poison trap was ready to whoop his guts. As long the grave knight stay at range they spam nonstop dark powers, add your own and -acc goes rather fast.
Merc/TA was nonstop faceplanting, only with the help of a bots/dark i took here down. (was a scrapperset i believe).
Bots/poison was pretty doable, the support bots heal at a good rate and right moments, poison debuffs help alot.
Thugs/dark.. they basicly pwn it. (stacked leadership with -acc.. insta-win).
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Indeedie the assualt bot does deal out some -regen. I only found this out cause it was mentioned in some patch notes
Was news to me!
I've been able to solo AV/hero's on my bots/FF.
Is pretty easy with the high defense bonus, probably the least active way to solo an AV.
Need to make sure your assault bot doesn't run into melee range with the AV/hero however.
Necro/Dark is not so good, your acc debuff stops the AV from doing much dmg, but necro pets dont do damage that much. Your tier 3 pet the lich is more of a controller than damage dealer like bots.
I have to get shivans to do the job mostly.
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From all my pets, i've seen doing my necro's doing most damage.
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Not sure what I am doing wrong then, even with tar patch, they dont do that much. Bots do more since tier 3 is a mega damage dealer.
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I let them attack from range, most of em start the ranged attacks giving a great starter-damage (5 mod damage). Then move the 2 knights and 1 zombi close to the mob (alot -acc helps) and knights swap to their sword.
Zombie/knight both 3slotted dmg, they take red bosses down rather fast. I'm /traps, having only acid mortar as -resist debuff. With upcomming mine's from /trap, i can sacrifise a pet to get some great aoe damage and replace him by a ghost.
Its always funny on the US forums if they talk about damage, they asume you have 10 mobs nicely packed and aoe pets stand at a perfect spot doing max damage. Most of the time i solo, groups bigger then 3 i havent seen. Thats why they keep yelling (for ex.) mercs do awsome damage. Go solo and they do far lowest damage.
Compared to my Mercs, they do far more damage. They seem quite par with Ninja, specialy if you use smoke bomb alot. Thugs i havent got high enough to see their full power.
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well my MM is 32 thugs/dark and so far ive easilly soloed all heroes. EB's no experience of AV's yet though
Hmm, i've soloed tons of EBs with Thugs/Traps - It's really, difficult at times. I need to use everything in my disposal, mines, mortar, even drones, gang war (it's only for a brief meat shield). But one skill owns them all, caltrops > EB's. Dont know if it would work against heroes, since i havent ever tried . I seem to pull aggro very easily off my minions, sometimes it gets locked on me for good - if i show up, the eb is coming to me.
I forgot the name but the radiation blaster was really hard for me, some chick scrapper was really tough too..even with caltrops. I dont think Traps is the good EB powerset secondary, if you wish to survive it.
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well my MM is 32 thugs/dark and so far ive easilly soloed all heroes. EB's no experience of AV's yet though
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Lvl 32... (all? )heroes...solo.. easily. These things don't fit in one sentence really... You should prolly replace heroes by EB's
PLay Necro/Poison and have taken down a few AV/Heroes, i thik the best set for it would be Thughs/Poison, but judging from all the responces most MM's can do it.
I would estimate...
MM's vs. EB = All Secondaries/Primaries
MM's vs. AV/Hero = Dark/Poison/Traps Secondary Only
Robots is probably the best AV-killing primary because of the +defence bubbles from the Protector Bots and two seperate, stackable sources of -regen from the Assault bot. Energy damage rather than S/L also helps.
I'd say that /Dark would probably be the simplest secondary for AV fighting. Assuming that you're well slotted for -tohit and you can get Twilight Grasp (the PBAoE leech heal) to hit reliably then you won't have much problems with incoming damage. Tar Patch will give you a constant -30% resist on the AV, and you should be able to keep an AV in the patch using a patron immobilise. With an Assault Bot + Your TG + Fluffy's TG you should also be able to effectively halt a AV's regen.
Traps could work too assuming you had Aid Other... you can get over 45% defence on your bots with the Protector Bot's Bubbles, FFG, Maneuvers and the unique +defence IO. Poison Trap's -regen debuff and Acid Mortar's -resist would be the main tools here... plus extra damage from trip mines (an extra 400ish damage every 14 seconds providing that you're actually brave enough to toebomb an AV!!)
Poison might work. Envenom should let you halt an AV's regen and has -resist... but I honestly don't know if Weaken and N.Breath (and Noxious Gas) could sufficiently debuff an AV's damage to give you a fighting chance. If you can withstand the incoming damage, you should be able to hurt an AV enough to kill it.
I've taken down many AV/Heroes with my Necro/Dark MM.
It all depends on slotting and tactics, Necro does the most damage by far, the knights melee sword attack knocks any foe down and can 1 shot a Boss. Darkest Night -acc/-dam, Twilight Grasp -acc, Tar Patch -acc/-def plus you pets doing -def/-acc +leadership pool and IO sets, your unstoppable!!!
I've tried a couple as my Necro/Poison and I just haven't been able to make it stick. Didn't have Shivans (need to go get more of those) but most of them just drop some horrific PBAoE and I lose most of my pets, at that point I'm immediately into grinding them and I can't really keep up.
I have tried a few myself, first time I got faceplanted pretty quickly after my drones got destroyed. This was in map with little to no space.
Then the second one I came across was a [censored], he was constantly laying on his back through the push back of my bots attack and force bolt. Yes I'm a bot/FF MM
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I've taken down many AV/Heroes with my Necro/Dark MM.
It all depends on slotting and tactics, Necro does the most damage by far, the knights melee sword attack knocks any foe down and can 1 shot a Boss. Darkest Night -acc/-dam, Twilight Grasp -acc, Tar Patch -acc/-def plus you pets doing -def/-acc +leadership pool and IO sets, your unstoppable!!!
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Tarpatch is -res and slow
And rather then the tiny -accu TG has a good -regen which is what you really want it for against AV/heroes. And ofcourse the nice heal and to some lesser extend the reasonable dam debuff.
You wont have as good a go with each and every type of Hero/AV, Id suggest atleast looking at the attacks and type of resistance and level of regen of each type and working out your chances...or do what most people normally do and run in mash keys
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
What Set's for Mastermind's would be most suited to soloing an Arch-Villain or Hero?
Open to all suggestions as im just enquiring. P.S forgive me if this has already been a post as i cannot be arsed to check