I can certainly swallow a /poison MM, with large ST debuffs taking down an AV (althought not without difficulty). /Traps I could also see, if Poison Trap could be fire off enouigh. I could just about take a dark one (with the lesser -regen).
But I fail to see how a /FF or a /TA could actually do it?
And I cant beleive anyone could kill an AV with ease. I can onlly asume this applies to downgraded EBs, who are a vast magnitude easier.
FF I'm not sure either- although if with Bots the defence could be through the roof and maybe time is just about on their side...
I believe TA was previously said to be very hard to do anyway.
Its just ive seen a lot of people say they have killed (pwnd, owned, whatever) AV's when in fact they have been downgraded EBs.
Survival against AV's is quite feasible, even for indefinate periods.
But no amount of skill can compensate for the mammoth HP and regen of AV's if you simply dont have the DPS/-resistance debuff/-regen debuff available. And there are precious few solo toons who actually have the maths to feasibly do this, AFAIK.
I know my Bots/FF has soloed AVs, admittedly, though, the bots have -regen. But surviving's no problem, it's just attrition, granite vs sandstone 
Could you give details?
I have a Bots/TA mastermind, who would actually do more damage than Bots/FF (due to two -res debuffs), who has assault and tactics.
I cant say I have come anywhere close to overcoming a AV's regen rate.
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I have a Bots/TA mastermind, who would actually do more damage than Bots/FF (due to two -res debuffs), who has assault and tactics.
I cant say I have come anywhere close to overcoming a AV's regen rate.
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Yes, but /FF stacks much more defencively with Bots than TA, meaning you have a lot less survivability... ie, not enough time to put out everything you can.
Thats true, but that's not the issue for me really. If you could tell me which AV you where successful with then I can try myself.
I dont need to survive long, just 30 seconds should tell me if I can overcome an AV's regen rate.
i'd say bots/dark and bots/poison. bots/dark has the highest amount of -regen (5 powers iirc) followed by bots/poi (4 powers). Aside from that, both sets got some other nice tricks as well. Not to mention the protector bots keep your robots alive nicely and can put some nasty stuff on AVs as well (constant spamming of seekerdrones comes to mind). Also robots got a fair bit of inherant resistance to quite some stuff. With my robots/poison i managed to easily solo all AVs thusfar (he is lvl 43 now, dont play him that often anymore cause of me being altoholic 
). Even without ever using bodyguard, insp overdosing and when AVs had that massive regen buff where nobody dared fighting one without a kin or rad on team anymore.
The only 2 AVs that were a bit of a pain to me were infernal and lilitu. Dont forget robots tend to HATE fire damage. Hope this was in any way useful..
PS. my MM doesnt have stuff like aid other or leadership or whatever, only pools he got is hasten, group fly and stamina.
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The best thing to solo AV's/Hero's and GM's is Bots/Traps - Read through the US forums, and look at the build itself
My Thugs/TA has pretty much walked over all the EB's I've faced (currently 35). Don't think I've had to solo any full-blown AV/Heroes.
Just remember that Disruption Arrow stacks with itself, but Acid doesn't, so you should be able to have about -60% Res at points during the battle.
Also remember to apply Poison Gas AFTER Disruption and Acid, as lowering their DmgRes also lowers their Res to Dmg debuffs.
Both those coupled with a good bit of slow from Glue, and I've had no real problems.
I know this will sound hallow, but I ALMOST soloed that giant AV fire demon on some CoT mission (forgot his name). I didn't only because it was taking a LOOOONG of time, and I had to go away from the computer. But I was doing it, and I think I got him to 1/2 HP.
But that's about it.
I managed to kill Luminary on my own, but for some strange reason she wasn't purple like they always are, so the fight was easy. (I guess this is what you mean by downgraded?) When it came for Mynx (who was also on the same mission), and who was a proper lvl 50, I had my [censored] kicked and had to retreat and call for backup.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot! I'm a Robo/Dark MM.
EDIT 2: I never had any problems with EB, except with Balistas at one point (I think I was missing some enhancements back then).
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Just remember that Disruption Arrow stacks with itself, but Acid doesn't, so you should be able to have about -60% Res at points during the battle.
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Are you sure?
I'd need to double check just because I usually think its best to but as it is I currently only get the recharge to meet a base duration with it.
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I'm now running my Bots/Traps/Taunts Tankermind vs AV/Hero level erm,.. AVs and Heroes . No temps or Shivans or anything extra at all.
Just hit 47 yesterday so I swapped a bit in my build and am now running both Challenge and Provoke, and I have to say it is awesome fun Tankerminding 
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So I thought of a few tricks and tactics and decided that I'd give an AV/Hero a crack solo, really just expecting to only see how long I could last .
With the very high defence from the FF generator, Black Scorpion Shield and Bot bubbles etc I'm able to perma taunt the AV onto me, while my Bots, offset to one side, get free reign to blast at range and free of nasty AOE AV damage.
So far I've dropped Silver Mantis and Black Scorpion. Silver Mantis was a bit scary at times as she requires a lot of positional management to keep those damn spikey caltrops out of harms way from me, and my pets. She also deals quite a bit of -def, which is very dangerous to my build. Apart from a shaky start due to excitement and nerves it actually went really well, and she really didn't hit me that much at all .
Black Scorpion was a lot easier, and I'm not sure he hit me once 
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It's pretty cool fun and quite involving managing set up position between myself and the AV/Hero, and keeping them where I want them .
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Just remember that Disruption Arrow stacks with itself, but Acid doesn't, so you should be able to have about -60% Res at points during the battle.
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I'd need to double check just because I usually think its best to but as it is I currently only get the recharge to meet a base duration with it.
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You need Haste (or IO sets) to get two Disruption Arrows up. Even then it won't stack for very long. You can get about 8 seconds of both being up and the effects duration is 5.25 seconds so with 3 recharges and Haste you can get a max of about 12-13 seconds stacked.
With just 3 recharges you've got max about 4 seconds as the inital ones effect lingers.
And so, after 3 months.. nothing have changed 
Merc/TA is wont cut it against EB's, retarted medic, massively bugged attacks and a idiotic commando that should learn what a blaster is.
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Bot/psn - few EB's, support on AV
Necro/trap - 3 EB and helped on 1 AV.
ninja/dark - did warwitch or whats her name?
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My best fun, necro/trap. Floor filled with tripmines, all traps and lure the EB. Oh he goes down sooo fast
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Merc/TA - None.. lotsa debt, lotsa
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i taken a few AV down with my TA, it does mean alot of running around to keep out of there range attacks but it can be done
TA might do, its the Merc part where it goes wrong.
Up till today, i feel really sad of ever taking Mercs. Luckely my Necro and Bots make up for it.
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TA might do, its the Merc part where it goes wrong.
Up till today, i feel really sad of ever taking Mercs. Luckely my Necro and Bots make up for it.
[/ QUOTE ]mercs arn't that bad as people beleive, it just 2nd MM power is the key behind them i would say either traps or dark is there true power, other power well it alot of work as it either solo target heal from poision and holds, alot of running with TA and shields up with FF.
as i can't say much on Dark for i think it stupid for it don't seem darkanuff for my liking (My Opion as i know people swear by it a good power set) but i find trap has saved there butts a few time in heavy come back with out beacon. reason for no beacon is i don't stand around long for it to be any benifit for me
Well I tried taking down Radio on my lvl 50 MM (necro Dark), fully slotted with pet set IOS. No go, I couldnt even budge his health. Heck, I even had issues with a level 53 Arachnid Boss which I couldnt solo as a purple. He couldnt kill me but neither could I keep up with his regen.
Shivan time again.
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i think you find Radio is a heavy Psionic attack, i don't think anyone can solo it without a great Psionic defence, same as mxyn is a pain in the bum scrapper and super Arachnid can be a pain but once there held they dead for no power can be actived
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TA might do, its the Merc part where it goes wrong.
Up till today, i feel really sad of ever taking Mercs. Luckely my Necro and Bots make up for it.
[/ QUOTE ]mercs arn't that bad as people beleive, it just 2nd MM power is the key behind them i would say either traps or dark is there true power, other power well it alot of work as it either solo target heal from poision and holds, alot of running with TA and shields up with FF.
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It shouldnt mather, like all other MM pets they have 'perform' decent with any set. The pets itself perform 10 times lousier then all other pets, by looking at powers alone. Take LRM missile, snipe, stealth, the stupid medic, animations (they dont have the normalisation yet), the nonstop redraw, the insane pathetic DoT (instant > DoT), the retarted AI (melee runs), the useless Serum power (they are 100% ranged, melee they can only braw), 99% SL damage (flame trower is the only non-SL), the upgrade casting times (try necro, see the difference) and mez-support (stun and choke.. apart from a lucky knockback shot).
The only benefit they might have, they are all ranged.. dispite i still lack to see the benefit there tbh.
(reference, 43 Merc, 39 Necro, 36 bots and 29 ninja).
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TA might do, its the Merc part where it goes wrong.
Up till today, i feel really sad of ever taking Mercs. Luckely my Necro and Bots make up for it.
[/ QUOTE ]mercs arn't that bad as people beleive, it just 2nd MM power is the key behind them i would say either traps or dark is there true power, other power well it alot of work as it either solo target heal from poision and holds, alot of running with TA and shields up with FF.
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It shouldnt mather, like all other MM pets they have 'perform' decent with any set. The pets itself perform 10 times lousier then all other pets, by looking at powers alone. Take LRM missile, snipe, stealth, the stupid medic, animations (they dont have the normalisation yet), the nonstop redraw, the insane pathetic DoT (instant > DoT), the retarted AI (melee runs), the useless Serum power (they are 100% ranged, melee they can only braw), 99% SL damage (flame trower is the only non-SL), the upgrade casting times (try necro, see the difference) and mez-support (stun and choke.. apart from a lucky knockback shot).
The only benefit they might have, they are all ranged.. dispite i still lack to see the benefit there tbh.
(reference, 43 Merc, 39 Necro, 36 bots and 29 ninja).
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i think you find Radio is a heavy Psionic attack...
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Sonics. Really nasty -res debuffing sonics and a vicious cone range .
*Puts it onto the to-do list*
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Bot/psn - few EB's, support on AV
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i'd say bot/psn is perfectly capable of soloing AVs at AV-level. Thusfar I've soloed every AV in the game (lvl 43 atm, so AVs up till the 40-45 content ) with fair ease. Of course it all depends on builds/playstyle. But i would say bot/psn is a pretty good combo to take em down, together with aforementioned bots/dark.
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Can I be clear you are talking about AV's here.. not down graded Elite Bosses?
Because without a Shivan (which may well underpin the reports here) I find it hard to beleive that AV's can be solo'd without very specific circumstances.
Without -regen, I can see how any mastermind could mathematically do enough damage (solo) to an AV to overcome its regen rate?
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Poison has huge -regen.