C4 - The New S4!


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OH MY GOD WHERE?


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I ROCK AT PVP

Also, Rock Eagle, if you think I'm bad at PvP I'd be happy to step into the arena for a duel with you at any time.


 

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I could go find some for you but I shall not as this would only cause bad blood. I suggest you read the forums and you will find plenty of examples.

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i've never seen any and the only forum i read is the pvp 1

edit: sorry i 4got psydock

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Hey you all thik it I'm just blunt enough to say it.


 

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they never seen the s4 videos... there the best ones so far.

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I don't think I'll be entering this, tbh honest, I hate the idea of no travel powers, how I use Coin in PvP relies on my travel powers.

But I'm definitely up for doing the Cameraman Coin routine again though, if people can let me know when matches are planned for?

Hopefully, if I get my new PC in time for it, I can even do some decent video editing for proper videos, rather than just demos


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I probebly wont enter I don't like the sub idea or the travel power idea.


 

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also with the system of only listing 2 core players and picking any 2 subs each week will lead to every person that wants to enter being in a 2 man team as im guessing its just that 2 man team that will get the credit of winning. therefore there really isnt gonna be many ppl willing and available to sub...which for me was the problem of s4, being asked to sub but getting no credit for it at all


 

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Right I see a lot of people saying that they rock at pvp.

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Might I just say one thing?

OH MY GOD WHERE?

Answer this before making another post please, enlighten me.

This post and all those within who disagree with some of the rules, are disagreeing because they will find it alot less fun. To be honest if I did enter a tournie like this, restricted or otherwise, the chances of me winning due to an abundance of excellent PvPers are extremely low, but I would still participate if I thought it would be fun.

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Well you have obviously never had arena chat up or read these forums before. There is an over abundance of people saying they rock at PVP on these forums. For some of them it true for others they just think it and some people do it as a joke.

While I do have a PVP title I dont claim to be a PVP god but I prefer arena matches with out travel powers. Hope that clears it up for you.

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I would enjoy matches without travel powers but it isnt a case of turning off travel powers, its MOVEMENT SUPRESSION and penalises many sets and builds far more than others. The pros and cons of sets and builds ahve been tweaked, nerfed, renerfed and tweaked some more to the point where they are now and if sets like SR and electric armour deserve the movement increase in the game then they are clearly needed to balance out the set.

No travel sounds fun to me, the functionality of the movement supression in the arena however is a joke.


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Now that I do agree with.


 

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also with the system of only listing 2 core players and picking any 2 subs each week will lead to every person that wants to enter being in a 2 man team as im guessing its just that 2 man team that will get the credit of winning. therefore there really isnt gonna be many ppl willing and available to sub...which for me was the problem of s4, being asked to sub but getting no credit for it at all

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An Empath and Blaster duo will probably get used alot more than anything else. The other two players will just be along so the empath and blaster can enter. All 4 players get the titles and prizes and 2 might not do anything.


 

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JUst make it a 4 man team and every needs to have one sub of their own?


 

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Why 4 man btw, not 5?


 

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also with the system of only listing 2 core players and picking any 2 subs each week will lead to every person that wants to enter being in a 2 man team as im guessing its just that 2 man team that will get the credit of winning. therefore there really isnt gonna be many ppl willing and available to sub...which for me was the problem of s4, being asked to sub but getting no credit for it at all

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An Empath and Blaster duo will probably get used alot more than anything else. The other two players will just be along so the empath and blaster can enter. All 4 players get the titles and prizes and 2 might not do anything.

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i really dont think, even if its a consistent 4 man team that all 4 will get the rewards. its a 2 man sign up with any 2 being subs to help. most teams will at least try to use different subs, altho im guessing nobody who enters (because they want to win) will be willing to sub regularly when they can just enter as a 2 man team themselves


 

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JUst make it a 4 man team and every needs to have one sub of their own?

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i agree, im all for trying new things, i just cant see it working


 

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also with the system of only listing 2 core players and picking any 2 subs each week will lead to every person that wants to enter being in a 2 man team as im guessing its just that 2 man team that will get the credit of winning. therefore there really isnt gonna be many ppl willing and available to sub...which for me was the problem of s4, being asked to sub but getting no credit for it at all

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An Empath and Blaster duo will probably get used alot more than anything else. The other two players will just be along so the empath and blaster can enter. All 4 players get the titles and prizes and 2 might not do anything.

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i really dont think, even if its a consistent 4 man team that all 4 will get the rewards. its a 2 man sign up with any 2 being subs to help. most teams will at least try to use different subs, altho im guessing nobody who enters (because they want to win) will be willing to sub regularly when they can just enter as a 2 man team themselves

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Are there any rules about entering two teams? 4 same players, 8 different characters. Then when they come to fight each other in the final, they all win anyway as they are all on both teams.


 

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There is a reason the original S4 was a pentad tournament. 'PENT' ( 5, five, one more than four, one less than 6) AD.

IMO Pentad is the ultimate format, as it allows each team an understanding of what theyll be up against each week.

As for no travel powers. Thats sucky-McSuck from the clan McSucky. Look at the last official two vs two tourney. Look at who won, 2 stormies. No tarvel powers makes playing melee a joke, and on large arena maps it can give a huge advantage to a team. Kill one member of a team, they respawn miles away for from their team mates, and for the time it takes them to get back their other team mates are fighting a 4vs3. Rinse and repeat.

If you like slow pvp, go play WoW, and whilst your at it, turn off the default RUN key and use the WALK!.


 

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also with the system of only listing 2 core players and picking any 2 subs each week will lead to every person that wants to enter being in a 2 man team as im guessing its just that 2 man team that will get the credit of winning. therefore there really isnt gonna be many ppl willing and available to sub...which for me was the problem of s4, being asked to sub but getting no credit for it at all

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An Empath and Blaster duo will probably get used alot more than anything else. The other two players will just be along so the empath and blaster can enter. All 4 players get the titles and prizes and 2 might not do anything.

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i really dont think, even if its a consistent 4 man team that all 4 will get the rewards. its a 2 man sign up with any 2 being subs to help. most teams will at least try to use different subs, altho im guessing nobody who enters (because they want to win) will be willing to sub regularly when they can just enter as a 2 man team themselves

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Are there any rules about entering two teams? 4 same players, 8 different characters. Then when they come to fight each other in the final, they all win anyway as they are all on both teams.

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or enter 2 teams with 4 players in total ... 2 players on each team the other are subs for the other team so everyweek one each of the players plays..


 

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also with the system of only listing 2 core players and picking any 2 subs each week will lead to every person that wants to enter being in a 2 man team as im guessing its just that 2 man team that will get the credit of winning. therefore there really isnt gonna be many ppl willing and available to sub...which for me was the problem of s4, being asked to sub but getting no credit for it at all

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An Empath and Blaster duo will probably get used alot more than anything else. The other two players will just be along so the empath and blaster can enter. All 4 players get the titles and prizes and 2 might not do anything.

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i really dont think, even if its a consistent 4 man team that all 4 will get the rewards. its a 2 man sign up with any 2 being subs to help. most teams will at least try to use different subs, altho im guessing nobody who enters (because they want to win) will be willing to sub regularly when they can just enter as a 2 man team themselves

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Are there any rules about entering two teams? 4 same players, 8 different characters. Then when they come to fight each other in the final, they all win anyway as they are all on both teams.

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or enter 2 teams with 4 players in total ... 2 players on each team the other are subs for the other team so everyweek one each of the players plays..

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Ohhhh. smart one!


 

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Changing the subs were only intended as a short time solution to avoid the delaying of the whole event. (like in S4, where finding a date was nearly impossible sometimes )
The last team setup will win, unless the two teamleaders are managing anything else.


 

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All players may only play on one team each round.

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So the only way to play in more than one team is playing bantam and heavy or heroes and villains.

About the subs and winning. The four players of each team that win the finals do get the prices. Subs are meant to be an option, so you don't have to get a default loss if you can't get all of your team on a specific date together, e.g. making finding dates easier. It was not meant that they change every match, even if it's possible.

Also we rephrased the travelpower rule to what we meant initially.


 

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Unfortunatly with subs if you find out who you are fighting you can use the two players who are using characters that have the advantage. Its less about pot luck and skill and more tactical. Not everyone will have the choice of who they can use. Then it comes down to which day to play and neither team wants to field their weaker duo.


 

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Sub idea is ridiculous just set a time and date when everyone must fight and the team needs to have one sub of their own. If they don't show up they lose.


 

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I find the no travels idea sillier than half the team made up of subs even


 

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I find the no travels idea sillier than half the team made up of subs even

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Its not no travel, its total movement supression


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Due to the response we received from different players we decided to make some changes to the rules.

Travelpowers aren't any longer excluded aswell as all types of enhancements are allowed in both classes.

Although we think the first ruleset would have been more interessting, we changed them according to player feedback.


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I find the no travels idea sillier than half the team made up of subs even

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Its not no travel, its total movement supression

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Wrong, it was only no Travelpowers, not total movement suppression.


 

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Due to the response we received from different players we decided to make some changes to the rules.

Travelpowers aren't any longer excluded aswell as all types of enhancements are allowed in both classes.

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WOOHOOO!

Like we said, Bantamweight is going to be the division to watch for interesting team setups


 

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Due to the response we received from different players we decided to make some changes to the rules.

Travelpowers aren't any longer excluded aswell as all types of enhancements are allowed in both classes.

Although we think the first ruleset would have been more interessting, we changed them according to player feedback.


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I find the no travels idea sillier than half the team made up of subs even

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Its not no travel, its total movement supression

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Wrong, it was only no Travelpowers, not total movement suppression.

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Quite incredibly wrong, its total movement supression as your natural speed is supressed, for example SRs and /elecs lose their movement bonus, kinetics powers of Speed boost loses one of its status effects and Inertia reduction is useless. I can get 46mph out of my SR scrapper without any travel pool powers but in arena with "travel" off my movement is suppressed to the same level as everyone elses. Its not no travel it IS SUPRESSED MOVEMENT. If SRs and /Elecs warrant +speed in the game to balance their sets pros and cons they need it in the arena, whatever scenario.

Arena was designed before COH went live, one would assume they chose movement supression over turning off travel pools as the buffs from powers in the travel pools were once very impressive and fundamantal to many peoples builds (remember blasters with 40% def anyone? Hasten with +def in it?) As it stands now a far better way would be to actually turn off travel (grey out ss, fly, teleport, sj and group fly and TP) as the actual travel powers no long apply any status effects, positive or negative.


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